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Post by syed on May 12, 2014 19:50:36 GMT -5
same here. the production on DOYS is fantastic......but it is one of my absolute favourite albums too, so i may be a bit blinded. i have never found the HFB album to suffer from bad production.....it sounds a bit more old school....that's probably what Noel was after...a more 'organic' sound. the album itself, though...is pretty boring. mainly because i think Noel's backing band is pretty bland. My point with DOYS was stuff like the Lennon clip in IOT being inaudible (stupid idea anyway, but at least have it work if you're going to fucking do it), and the choir being non-existent on The Turning. This is a serious question: How didn't Sardy, a supposed professional producer, not realize those problems? I seriously don't fucking understand. I really don't. They're so blatantly obvious. Well i see what you mean....but i think was to put those things into the atmosphere of the songs rather than make them the centrepiece, y'know? So Lennon's voice is a faded one in the background....i sort of find it more interesting than if it was crystal clear and all.....but i understand what you mean. |
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Post by berndie on May 13, 2014 0:31:56 GMT -5
a re-master wont solve many problems, re-recording and remix would do, but that wont happen....
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on May 13, 2014 7:39:58 GMT -5
Noel seriously needs to get another producer for album 2, and a whole new live band (apart from the bassist and keyboardist) whilst he's at it.
He's Noel Gallagher for frigs sake, I'm sure there are kids out there, much more talented than fatty on the drums and the charisma vacuum on guitar who would give their playing arm just to stand on a stage with Noel Gallagher, there's no excuse for such mediocrity
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Post by silverhammer on Sept 1, 2014 10:03:41 GMT -5
Ask Radio Supernova to do a remix? They're usually pretty good at those.
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Sept 1, 2014 12:00:05 GMT -5
Noel seriously needs to get another producer for album 2, and a whole new live band (apart from the bassist and keyboardist) whilst he's at it. He's Noel Gallagher for frigs sake, I'm sure there are kids out there, much more talented than fatty on the drums and the charisma vacuum on guitar who would give their playing arm just to stand on a stage with Noel Gallagher, there's no excuse for such mediocrity Exactly! He's a well respected artist, surely he could have more talented bandmembers. I'm sure he has more options. |
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Sept 1, 2014 12:03:01 GMT -5
My point with DOYS was stuff like the Lennon clip in IOT being inaudible (stupid idea anyway, but at least have it work if you're going to fucking do it), and the choir being non-existent on The Turning. This is a serious question: How didn't Sardy, a supposed professional producer, not realize those problems? I seriously don't fucking understand. I really don't. They're so blatantly obvious. The Lennon clip is Liam's idea and Noel's opinion about this is the same as yours Noel's opinion on The Turning is also the same. Apparently he asked Sardy why the choir was turned down so low in the mix and Sardy replied with the fact that otherwise they would dominate the record. Noel then said that was the whole point of the choir. Those two things, and the fact that the bass in To Be Where There's Life isn't loud enough imo, are the only things that bother me about DOYS. For the rest I think the production is great. DBTT was waaay worse. |
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Sept 1, 2014 13:05:58 GMT -5
Sardy is too generic. He's too safe. Where's the risk at trying something different and new? You don't always have to intentionally sound mainstream and recycled. My main issue with HFB is that half of the song s all sound like the other, not much originality there. Drop Sardy and let someone else have a go at Noel's work.
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Post by Gas Panic on Sept 1, 2014 15:41:28 GMT -5
I do enjoy the sound of HFB, however I do think it probably would be better if whole album was recorded in the style that him and Gem were going for at TCT in 2007/2010. I went to one of the TCT shows in 2010 and ive never heard Noel's songs sound better than that
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Post by NYR on Sept 3, 2014 16:37:56 GMT -5
8==D my extra smiley face loves this topic That's not an extra smiley face. That's a penis. |
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Post by jaq515 on Sept 4, 2014 2:35:47 GMT -5
8==D my extra smiley face loves this topic That's not an extra smiley face. That's a penis. Really? :-0 and I would've got away with it too if it wasn't for you pesky kids |
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Post by Norbert Gallhager on Sept 4, 2014 11:08:01 GMT -5
I do enjoy the sound of HFB, however I do think it probably would be better if whole album was recorded in the style that him and Gem were going for at TCT in 2007/2010. I went to one of the TCT shows in 2010 and ive never heard Noel's songs sound better than that Agreed. And I hope they will do a whole tour like that again in the near future. The Dreams We Have As Children is one of my most played albums, I love everything about it: Gem's guitar playing, the stripped back drums, Noel's voice (he has never sounded better imho) and obviously the songs (including his cover of There is a light... by The Smiths!). |
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Post by Bonehead's Barber on Sept 4, 2014 13:59:36 GMT -5
The only song that sounds good and still sounds fresh on the album is 'Stranded...' which I can still listen to. I got very bored of the album and I think it is down to the production. I love the album, but I can't listen to it every day, like I could do at first.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2014 7:44:05 GMT -5
the only song on hfb's i really have a problem with production-wise is stop the clocks. the production on that song is absolutely dire and the ending totally butchered. (then again, the song itself isn't one of noel's strongest to begin with). other than that, the rest of the album sounds pretty good to my ears.
with that said, i don't think it would hurt at all to seek out another producer and 'change it up' a bit for hfb's 2.
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Post by space75gr on Sept 5, 2014 8:00:54 GMT -5
Remastering would do nothing to save this album. You'd need a proper re-mixing and maybe even re-recording too. with Liam on vocals  |
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Sept 5, 2014 12:20:34 GMT -5
the only song on hfb's i really have a problem with production-wise is stop the clocks. the production on that song is absolutely dire and the ending totally butchered. (then again, the song itself isn't one of noel's strongest to begin with). other than that, the rest of the album sounds pretty good to my ears. with that said, i don't think it would hurt at all to seek out another producer and 'change it up' a bit for hfb's 2. That, IIHAG and RM. Rest sounds alright but almost every song has a bit of which I think ''aargh this could and should've sounded differend'' |
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Post by matt on Sept 7, 2014 22:06:55 GMT -5
A re-mastering? How about a re-recording with a new producer? Sorted! The list of bands Dave Sardy has worked with have largely been so mediocre - it should be a measure of qualification to look at the 'artists' he's worked with. So him becoming Oasis/Noel producer is like Sam Allardyce becoming Real Madrid boss - they could do so much better with their reputation but choose the least qualified man. It's quite sad that because of Dave Sardy, Oasis surprisingly 'regressed' as a band becoming even more safe and derivative than usual (and I'm not fooled by the non-existant 'experimentation' that apparently goes on in Dig Out Your Soul). That's so incredibly damning for a band that were already criticised for being unambitious (albeit unfairly though for their first albums).
One thing about High Flying Birds I noticed is why not get a real quality band together? I totally agree with whats said above, I really like the bass player and the keyboard player (the fantastic Mike Rowe) but the guitarist is nothing special.
He should audition for the very best players - and why not, it's not going to ever overshadow Noel as a songwriter, but rather, let the songs flourish and blossom.
Imagine enlisting Johnny Marr, now there's a dream we can all dream!
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Post by Cast on Sept 7, 2014 22:29:01 GMT -5
I'm not the biggest Sardy fan at all but I think he absolutely nailed The Death Of You And Me. That song has really stuck with me and still sounds fresh 3 years later. The song has wonderful additional instrumentation with the synths, horns, banjo, and the violin. All of them are mixed/mastered very nicely. The song has a really twisted western aura/vibe around it that gives the song a lot of character.
My biggest critique of Sardy's work is that he doesn't really develop any character to the songs he produces. Not that he needs to be an overbearing producer but most of the songs he works on at least with Noel/Oasis sound like white, black, or grey, in other words very sterile, plain, and dry. On TDOYM he expands that color palette and adds more texture to the song.
Overall I think the song sounds really good. It has some dynamic range and song unfolds nicely in a neat 3 and half minutes. The chorus of that song has one of Noel's best melodies in his career.
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