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Post by Beady’s Here Now on May 9, 2014 13:33:51 GMT -5
Jesus Christ the production on this album is absolutley dire. It's damn shame, too, because it's actually an incredible album, with Noel's best song writing since WTSMG (I'm serious with that sentence, he's back on form, and how!).
There's no dynamics, the drums plod along, and it's all very flat. Almost, ALMOST, very Heathen Chemistry-esqe in the production.
Sardy was fine for DBTT, but he absoltuely fucked over both DOYS and NGHFB. I don't get it. How can anyone, especially a supposed professional, not realize how utterly shit both DOYS and NGHFB sound? Ugh.
I hope Noel sacked Sardy for the new album. I'd do anything for an Owen Morris, BHN-Style produced album.
ANY-FUCKING-THING.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2014 14:16:03 GMT -5
Give it 20 years.
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Post by jaq515 on May 9, 2014 14:39:53 GMT -5
8==D my extra smiley face loves this topic
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Post by LlAM on May 9, 2014 15:02:17 GMT -5
Can someone please re-master this thread?
It's awfully flat and dire and the OP is kinda just plodding along.
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Post by TheEyeballTickler on May 9, 2014 17:10:12 GMT -5
I love the DOYS production. Especially BIU and TT(the choir should've been a bit louder though) Can't understand how u can compare it to NGHFB, which is as u said, very flat.
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Post by uǝɥʇɐǝɥ on May 9, 2014 17:34:28 GMT -5
I actually would rate the production of DOYS as one of the best I've heard on any record of any band... I prefer the classicism. I have to say I don't really like the sound of the HFB band in general.
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Post by thomuk2006 on May 10, 2014 1:41:17 GMT -5
Why is everyone moaning about the production..... it's pretty decent imo, and you think the production on Be Here Now is good?  FFS! |
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Post by GIMH on May 10, 2014 8:45:40 GMT -5
Remastering wouldn't alter the production anyway you would need a remix surely
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Post by bardes on May 10, 2014 8:51:47 GMT -5
Holy fuck...
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Post by The Invisible Sun on May 10, 2014 8:56:37 GMT -5
Yeah, I don't know what they were thinking. Destroyed EOTR in my opinion. Other things were a bit over the top too...probably why it did well. Mainstream likes that right now.
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Post by teadrinker on May 10, 2014 9:05:36 GMT -5
It's just too polished I think. The plodding drums are more a problem with Noel's arrangement. They did a really bad job of If I Had A Gun though, both in terms of arrangement and sound. No idea why they thought it'd shouldn't just go straight to the chorus from the verse like it did in the soundcheck version. Those ahh-ahh bits don't belong there after the verse.
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Post by mrsifters80 on May 10, 2014 9:10:53 GMT -5
It's just too polished I think. The plodding drums are more a problem with Noel's arrangement. They did a really bad job of If I Had A Gun though, both in terms of arrangement and sound. No idea why they thought it'd shouldn't just go straight to the chorus from the verse like it did in the soundcheck version. Those ahh-ahh bits don't belong there after the verse. [/b] agreed 100% could have been a beautiful tune. instead Noel goes safe.....and makes the song good but not great. |
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Post by defmaybe00 on May 10, 2014 9:14:15 GMT -5
Agreed about IIHAG (still love it tho), but EOTR is brilliant
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on May 10, 2014 9:38:33 GMT -5
I still think IIHAG is right up there with Noel's 90s best. Incredible song, but they fucked over the sound. THOSE DRUMS, JESUS FUCKING CHRIST THEY PLOD.
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Post by The Milkman & The Riverman on May 10, 2014 9:47:13 GMT -5
I hope Noel will rethink his live band also during second album. I hated that drummer, used to ruin every fuckin' song with this bass drum.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on May 10, 2014 9:51:44 GMT -5
I hope Noel will rethink his live band also during second album. I hated that drummer, used to ruin every fuckin' song with this bass drum. I hated the guitarist, too. Fucker couldn't even do the LBL solo. Really do miss Gem...... |
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Post by defmaybe00 on May 10, 2014 10:00:42 GMT -5
I don't like Jeremy, Tim is pretty good when he plays some songs (like Talk Tonight, TDOYAM, HTWA), not that good with others
Russell and Mike are fucling amazing
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Post by shoes222 on May 11, 2014 0:13:26 GMT -5
Remastering would do nothing to save this album.
You'd need a proper re-mixing and maybe even re-recording too.
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Post by syed on May 11, 2014 14:43:08 GMT -5
I love the DOYS production. Especially BIU and TT(the choir should've been a bit louder though) Can't understand how u can compare it to NGHFB, which is as u said, very flat. same here. the production on DOYS is fantastic......but it is one of my absolute favourite albums too, so i may be a bit blinded. i have never found the HFB album to suffer from bad production.....it sounds a bit more old school....that's probably what Noel was after...a more 'organic' sound. the album itself, though...is pretty boring. mainly because i think Noel's backing band is pretty bland. |
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Post by davidjay on May 11, 2014 15:52:15 GMT -5
Just thought I'd post this link here, as it seems appropriate to the topic of the album's production. It's a critique of the mix of The Death of You and Me, written by Mike Senior for the May 2012 issue of Sound on Sound magazine. I've linked to the forum thread in which the article was discussed, as he also makes brief reference to AKA... What a Life in the second post. www.soundonsound.com/forum/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=983255For what it's worth I still rate the songs and appreciate the production, although I felt the CD was overly compressed (a shortcoming of many modern releases). I have heard a needledrop of the vinyl version, which I prefer, as it seems a bit more dynamic to me. Just my 2p's worth  Looking forward to the next album! |
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on May 12, 2014 10:38:52 GMT -5
I love the DOYS production. Especially BIU and TT(the choir should've been a bit louder though) Can't understand how u can compare it to NGHFB, which is as u said, very flat. same here. the production on DOYS is fantastic......but it is one of my absolute favourite albums too, so i may be a bit blinded. i have never found the HFB album to suffer from bad production.....it sounds a bit more old school....that's probably what Noel was after...a more 'organic' sound. the album itself, though...is pretty boring. mainly because i think Noel's backing band is pretty bland. My point with DOYS was stuff like the Lennon clip in IOT being inaudible (stupid idea anyway, but at least have it work if you're going to fucking do it), and the choir being non-existent on The Turning. This is a serious question: How didn't Sardy, a supposed professional producer, not realize those problems? I seriously don't fucking understand. I really don't. They're so blatantly obvious. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on May 12, 2014 10:41:27 GMT -5
I'd rather we just have a Dave Sardy free production for album #2. I think my gut tells me he won't be involved this go around.
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Post by discworld on May 12, 2014 11:16:57 GMT -5
same here. the production on DOYS is fantastic......but it is one of my absolute favourite albums too, so i may be a bit blinded. i have never found the HFB album to suffer from bad production.....it sounds a bit more old school....that's probably what Noel was after...a more 'organic' sound. the album itself, though...is pretty boring. mainly because i think Noel's backing band is pretty bland. My point with DOYS was stuff like the Lennon clip in IOT being inaudible (stupid idea anyway, but at least have it work if you're going to fucking do it), and the choir being non-existent on The Turning. This is a serious question: How didn't Sardy, a supposed professional producer, not realize those problems? I seriously don't fucking understand. I really don't. They're so blatantly obvious. The Lennon clip is Liam's idea and Noel's opinion about this is the same as yours |
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Post by shoes222 on May 12, 2014 15:56:36 GMT -5
I'd rather we just have a Dave Sardy free production for album #2. I think my gut tells me he won't be involved this go around. I disagree...only because if there WAS another producer involved, I think we would have heard rumblings about that. The lack of news makes me think everything is status quo. |
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Post by shoes222 on May 12, 2014 16:02:36 GMT -5
Also to get this thread on topic, the thing that really kills this album is the FUCKING DRUMS. It's the same un-imaginative, inexplicably loud, mid-tempo thumping on every damn track. It's a shame because I really love the songs Noel wrote...but I just can't listen to this album.
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FFS! 
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