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Post by Bonehead's Barber on Apr 18, 2014 15:46:59 GMT -5
In his press conference, Noel claims that Pretty Green was the beginning of the end for Oasis and, ultimately, Noel and Liam. Liam disputes that any of this ever happens but INDULGE ME for a moment.
Now, for Noel to get arsey over Liam, his younger brother, wanting to advertise his clothing range in the Oasis programmes and whatnot is fucking ludicrous. It is absolutely disgraceful behaviour. At the end of the day, Liam is 50% Oasis and it all seems very silly that Noel would be that much of an arse to him over something so pathetic. I am a massive Noel fan and everything like that, but I think if this was 100% true, Noel legitimately was looking for any old reason to leave the band.
Gem and Chris (and Andy, too) have all worn Pretty Green from time to time with Oasis, and Noel hasn't been bothered. Liam wore it. Scully wore it. Why is that not an issue? Why is Liam, 50% of Oasis and all of the merchandise, royalties and 50% of the heart and soul of Oasis (as much as Noel) not allowed to promote his own stuff within Oasis.
I just think, after watching the press conference with the benefit of hindsight, Noel was being a knobhead!
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Post by Rain on Apr 18, 2014 16:15:21 GMT -5
old news, besides I agree with Noel and Noel shouldn't have to wear Liam's clothing if he doesn't want to and he should feel free wear what he wants to wear. The way Liam wanted Pretty Green promoted as himself not Oasis.
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Post by shoes222 on Apr 18, 2014 17:09:51 GMT -5
In his press conference, Noel claims that Pretty Green was the beginning of the end for Oasis and, ultimately, Noel and Liam. Liam disputes that any of this ever happens but INDULGE ME for a moment. Now, for Noel to get arsey over Liam, his younger brother, wanting to advertise his clothing range in the Oasis programmes and whatnot is fucking ludicrous. It is absolutely disgraceful behaviour. At the end of the day, Liam is 50% Oasis and it all seems very silly that Noel would be that much of an arse to him over something so pathetic. I am a massive Noel fan and everything like that, but I think if this was 100% true, Noel legitimately was looking for any old reason to leave the band. Gem and Chris (and Andy, too) have all worn Pretty Green from time to time with Oasis, and Noel hasn't been bothered. Liam wore it. Scully wore it. Why is that not an issue? Why is Liam, 50% of Oasis and all of the merchandise, royalties and 50% of the heart and soul of Oasis (as much as Noel) not allowed to promote his own stuff within Oasis. I just think, after watching the press conference with the benefit of hindsight, Noel was being a knobhead! Okay, I'll provide the counter-argument. It's because Oasis and Pretty Green are two COMPLETELY different things. The only thing they have in common is Liam Gallagher. When I'm listening to a band or go to a band's concert, I only care about THAT band and that band's merchandise. If I go see my favorite band, and I see one of the members openly shilling another corporation or business because one of its members happens to be involved with it, that turns me off a bit. It takes away from the enjoyment of the music...which is what i'm there to see. This has nothing to do with Liam, by the way. I'd feel exactly the same if Noel was hired as a spokesman for Adidas trainers and tried to put Adidas ads in the Oasis programs. They should be viewed as separate entities, and have to play by the same rules for advertisements that all the other sponsors do. That's the only way it's fair to the rest of the band, because they don't get any of the money that comes from your side projects. Any free advertisements that go in the BAND'S program is space that could have been taken up by an actual paying advertiser, which leads to less revenue and money for the band. Noel was perfectly fair in saying what he said. |
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Apr 18, 2014 18:02:23 GMT -5
Liam was taking advantage of the Oasis name to promote his own project. That's just a good business decision and anyone would be a fool not to jump on that wagon if they had the chance.
I think Noel was just a bit jealous that Liam was getting successful in other parts of his life outside of Oasis. I mean in a sense, Liam no longer needed Noel. He could make it on his own without the aid of his big brother. Maybe that's another reason why he left. He wanted to be successful outside of Oasis just like his brother.
We have to remember though that the entire press conference in general was a slight to Liam. Wasn't it Noel's first time in the public eye since the split? He was clearly still angry over the events that occurred and people wanted answers. I guess they got them. Noel's had good things to say since though about his brother and Beady Eye.
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Post by matt on Apr 18, 2014 18:33:23 GMT -5
In reality, he probably just got tired of Oasis. Many of us fans were too, with half arsed albums.
I prefer it the way it is - Noel writing complete albums again and being brilliant IMO, Liam doing his thing. Plenty to listen and talk about.
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Post by syed on Apr 18, 2014 22:09:40 GMT -5
Pretty Green clothing is great...and Noel is a knob for not letting Liam advertise his stuff through Oasis programmes.
Meanwhile, Liam is at least TRYING to do different things in music and stayling independent......Noel just writes "safe' music to appeal to the masses. Listening to Noel talk in interviews these days is like listening to a bitter old lawyer talk about custody battles-----it's facking MAD BORING. he's lost it...
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Post by LlAM on Apr 19, 2014 0:57:37 GMT -5
The problem wasn't Liam wanting to put Pretty Green ads in the tour program.
The problem was Liam wanting Pretty Green ads in the tour program FOR FREE.
The advertising space in the tour programs was valuable, and all band members deserved to benefit from it - not just Liam.
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Post by gdforever on Apr 19, 2014 2:58:28 GMT -5
I thought that what ended up being offered to Liam (to pay the Oasis camp an advertising fee to promote his solo business venture) was fair enough.
As several people have said. Oasis made money from advertiser in there programs. Why should Liam have free advertising in the program so that he could make money for himself that A) the rest of the band wasn't going to benefit from and B) Oasis would lose out on that amount of advertising space to a possible paying customer.
Frankly Liam should have jumped at the offer. Advertising isn't free for anyone and expecting it to be in foolish and he was never going to find a more efficient place to promote his line than on a program on offer at a place where people had come because they are fans of Oasis.
I would have thought the same if Noel had for instance released a solo project of any kind and wanted to advertise with Oasis. It's only fair.
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Apr 19, 2014 8:43:07 GMT -5
Noel trying to palm blame for Oasis splitting on to Liam imo. It seemed to work as well, you only have to look at some of the comments on YouTube or on NME articles, a lot of people believe that Liam's apparent dick-ish behaviour that Noel has described over the years was the sole reason for one of their "favourite bands" splitting, even though Noel was the one who walked.
You only need look at Liam's reaction, I think he knew full well what Noel was up to
"The words 'Pretty Green' have never come out of my mouth with Noel Gallagher ... ever. So all this shit about him saying that I tried to get Pretty Green in an advertisement or an Oasis tour programme is absolute shit. And him saying it was 'the demise of Oasis', I'm not fuckin' havin' it. And Oasis fans need to know he's pulling wool, because there's two people to blame for Oasis splitting up, and one of 'em's sitting here right now talking, and the other's Noel Gallagher. It's time they woke up man, he's not an angel. People need to know that it's not just me who split the band up, it was Noel too. He was acting like a little bitch, being rude to people who've been working with us for 18 years, I got wind of it, I go up to him, bring it up to him and tell him to wind his neck in, and he don't like being told what to do. In my opinion, he's a control freak."
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Post by The Milkman & The Riverman on Apr 19, 2014 8:57:45 GMT -5
If they were cool with each other the Pretty Green thing probably would be no problem at all for Noel but as they were getting more and more sick of each other over the years it was propably like " Hey we fuckin' hate each other and going for tours in different planes, fighting all the time but can Oasis advertise now my new clothing label, cause you know it's very important for me? "
And another thing is do you really see stuff like that bands advertising anything ? It might bring some profit but the price you pay for it at the end of the day is looking like a fuckin' company focused on makin' money not rock n roll band playing music.
Liam's story is Liam's and Noel's is Noel's you can trust one or another but we'll never found out what the truth really is like.
They are both known for embellish everything a bit.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Apr 19, 2014 17:29:19 GMT -5
I like and own a bunch of Pretty Green jackets. To me that is their best products and aren't over priced compared to Jackets I buy at the mall. Everything else is hit or miss or over priced beyond comprehension.
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Post by allingoodtime on Apr 19, 2014 18:54:47 GMT -5
I think Noel was being an ass..Liam should have been allowed to advertise Pretty Green from time to time as long as it wasn't blatant as in it wasn't written all over the stadiums they played in
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Post by LlAM on Apr 19, 2014 23:40:31 GMT -5
I think Noel was being an ass..Liam should have been allowed to advertise Pretty Green from time to time as long as it wasn't blatant as in it wasn't written all over the stadiums they played in You got the story wrong mate. Liam WAS allowed to advertise Pretty Green. He just DIDN'T WANT TO PAY FOR IT. It's only fair in my book that Chris, Andy and Gem (and Noel for that matter)earn money from advertising. |
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Post by Nyron Nosworthy on Apr 20, 2014 18:13:44 GMT -5
I can see both sides of it. Personally I think Noel was quite spiteful and I think if circumstances were different - if they were on better terms, or had it been anyone but Liam - I don't think he'd have had a problem. I can even imagine him making jokes about it being a perk of the job. As I say though, I can see both sides and it's not something anyone can ever really prove either way
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Post by syed on Apr 20, 2014 21:02:21 GMT -5
Noel trying to palm blame for Oasis splitting on to Liam imo. It seemed to work as well, you only have to look at some of the comments on YouTube or on NME articles, a lot of people believe that Liam's apparent vaginaish behaviour that Noel has described over the years was the sole reason for one of their "favourite bands" splitting, even though Noel was the one who walked. You only need look at Liam's reaction, I think he knew full well what Noel was up to "The words 'Pretty Green' have never come out of my mouth with Noel Gallagher ... ever. So all this shit about him saying that I tried to get Pretty Green in an advertisement or an Oasis tour programme is absolute shit. And him saying it was 'the demise of Oasis', I'm not fuckin' havin' it. And Oasis fans need to know he's pulling wool, because there's two people to blame for Oasis splitting up, and one of 'em's sitting here right now talking, and the other's Noel Gallagher. It's time they woke up man, he's not an angel. People need to know that it's not just me who split the band up, it was Noel too. He was acting like a little bitch, being rude to people who've been working with us for 18 years, I got wind of it, I go up to him, bring it up to him and tell him to wind his neck in, and he don't like being told what to do. In my opinion, he's a control freak."i, for fucking one, absolutely trust Liam. He doesn't bullshit.....he shoots straight. Noel, on the other hand, is a deceptive sneaky bastard!! I base my opinion on loads of other musicians and members of the band saying that over the years. |
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Apr 21, 2014 3:52:14 GMT -5
Noel trying to palm blame for Oasis splitting on to Liam imo. It seemed to work as well, you only have to look at some of the comments on YouTube or on NME articles, a lot of people believe that Liam's apparent vaginaish behaviour that Noel has described over the years was the sole reason for one of their "favourite bands" splitting, even though Noel was the one who walked. You only need look at Liam's reaction, I think he knew full well what Noel was up to "The words 'Pretty Green' have never come out of my mouth with Noel Gallagher ... ever. So all this shit about him saying that I tried to get Pretty Green in an advertisement or an Oasis tour programme is absolute shit. And him saying it was 'the demise of Oasis', I'm not fuckin' havin' it. And Oasis fans need to know he's pulling wool, because there's two people to blame for Oasis splitting up, and one of 'em's sitting here right now talking, and the other's Noel Gallagher. It's time they woke up man, he's not an angel. People need to know that it's not just me who split the band up, it was Noel too. He was acting like a little bitch, being rude to people who've been working with us for 18 years, I got wind of it, I go up to him, bring it up to him and tell him to wind his neck in, and he don't like being told what to do. In my opinion, he's a control freak."i, for fucking one, absolutely trust Liam. He doesn't bullshit.....he shoots straight. Noel, on the other hand, is a deceptive sneaky bastard!! I base my opinion on loads of other musicians and members of the band saying that over the years. I'm not saying that though am I? So jump out of my arse and stop putting words in my mouth could you? Cheers  I just believe Noel manipulates the media for his own gain more so than Liam and that leads to some very, very tall stories on his part. You only have to read Tony's book to see that him and McGee were doing it from the very start, Noel knows how to play the game, Liam doesn't and surprise surprise, the general publics opinion of Liam is a loudmouth, has-been dick-head when Noel is seen as a clever, witty, British music legend. Liam sued over these allegations and Noel came and apologised on that webcam thing with Matt whats-his-face so I don't think I'm too wrong am I? |
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Post by mimmihopps on Apr 21, 2014 3:53:57 GMT -5
Weller has his own PG collection, all the members of OCS are wearing PG at their gigs and Miles Kane is also a big fan of PG for sure, but Noel? No, he's the man who has a same polo shirt in 7 different colours and that's why I love him.
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Post by defmaybe00 on Apr 21, 2014 4:15:51 GMT -5
Weller has his own PG collection, all the members of OCS are wearing PG at their gigs and Miles Kane is also a big fan of PG for sure, but Noel? No, he's the man who has a same polo shirt in 7 different colours and that's why I love him. Stone Island FTW  |
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Post by defmaybe00 on Apr 21, 2014 4:21:12 GMT -5
Anyway we know Noel knows how to play the game better and we've said it hundreds of times, but even if they had a better relationship I don't think he would've liked the idea of Pretty Green, he's always said he's against rockstars having a clothing label, he's not too bothered about fashion and all that
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Post by headshrinker84 on Apr 21, 2014 11:30:47 GMT -5
Let's be honest pretty green is terrible anyway.
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Apr 21, 2014 11:43:03 GMT -5
Anyway we know Noel knows how to play the game better and we've said it hundreds of times, but even if they had a better relationship I don't think he would've liked the idea of Pretty Green, he's always said he's against rockstars having a clothing label, he's not too bothered about fashion and all that When you play the game of thrones you win or you Noel. |
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Post by Bonehead's Barber on Apr 21, 2014 15:54:55 GMT -5
Let's be honest pretty green is terrible anyway. I really like it... |
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Post by The Chief on Apr 22, 2014 9:55:37 GMT -5
To be honest, as much as I get your point, I agree with Noel on this one. I don't like how Liam tries to jam Pretty Green in our throats. There's a version of BE on which the booklet has a whole page dedicated to a huge Pretty Green logo. It's advertising and it has nothing to do with the music. I find it a little pathetic when I see Beady Eye all dressed up with Pretty Green too as it just looks like a big advert. And as such Liam would have had to pay to be in the Oasis tour programme because they weren't advertising Oasis gear or other music or band related things.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Apr 22, 2014 10:03:01 GMT -5
Is it safe to say the clothes are better than the music? All relative I suppose.  |
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Post by The Chief on Apr 22, 2014 10:47:36 GMT -5
Depends on the record (DGSS or BE) but it is a subjective matter indeed |
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