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Post by The Invisible Sun on Mar 1, 2014 19:48:57 GMT -5
Anyone think this will all blow over or will it be another war?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2014 7:41:11 GMT -5
Listen I hope we USA. Stay the fuck out of this. I wish we would stay the fuck out of all. . Unless it's www3 I'm all for countries dealing with there own issues I'm. Not into all this the USA needs to say who's living right or not. Things were a lot smoother when the Ukraine and all the other nation states of the the former Soviet Union were under there umbrella. Communism socialism. Whatever. Who are we to judge ? Thsts a basic Russian issue. Let them fucking deal sorry I'm no bleeding heart who wants to help all. To me that's there turf. We don't belong
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Post by Elie De Beaufour 🐴 on Mar 2, 2014 9:39:29 GMT -5
As my ex cleaner said once, what is the point of states when all the Russians want is USSR again (she was a Soviet refugee even though she was Croatian)
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Post by tomlivesforever on Mar 2, 2014 10:34:24 GMT -5
Listen I hope we USA. Stay the fuck out of this. I wish we would stay the fuck out of all. . Unless it's www3 I'm all for countries dealing with there own issues I'm. Not into all this the USA needs to say who's living right or not. Things were a lot smoother when the Ukraine and all the other nation states of the the former Soviet Union were under there umbrella. Communism socialism. Whatever. Who are we to judge ? Thsts a basic Russian issue. Let them fucking deal sorry I'm no bleeding heart who wants to help all. To me that's there turf. We don't belong Things were not always smoother for those people living under Russian rule. I would just want to see a calming down tbh as I really believe this has the potential to develop into something much worse.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2014 12:27:34 GMT -5
Listen I hope we USA. Stay the fuck out of this. I wish we would stay the fuck out of all. . Unless it's www3 I'm all for countries dealing with there own issues I'm. Not into all this the USA needs to say who's living right or not. Things were a lot smoother when the Ukraine and all the other nation states of the the former Soviet Union were under there umbrella. Communism socialism. Whatever. Who are we to judge ? Thsts a basic Russian issue. Let them fucking deal sorry I'm no bleeding heart who wants to help all. To me that's there turf. We don't belong Things were not always smoother for those people living under Russian rule. I would just want to see a calming down tbh as I really believe this has the potential to develop into something much worse. Oh I know. I'm just sick of USA getting crucified for butting in ....I'm all for leaving all alone , let everyone sort it for themselves. Sick of USA interfering and getting bashed ... Let the Russians and Ukraines sort it , let the Syrians sort it ... That's All
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Mar 2, 2014 14:15:56 GMT -5
We don't need to start another world war by having all the super powers interfere.
It's one thing if Putin pulls a Hitler and starts exterminating people, but if Russia's just trying to absorb other provinces then they should be left to it. Hopefully it will occur with as little bloodshed as possible.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2014 14:28:18 GMT -5
We don't need to start another world war by having all the super powers interfere. It's one thing if Putin pulls a Hitler and starts exterminating people, but if Russia's just trying to absorb other provinces then they should be left to it. Hopefully it will occur with as little bloodshed as possible. See I am not pro americsn. I'm actually considered by my friends controversial. I don't rah rah the flag .....BUT IM SO SICK OF EUROPEAN COUNTRIES PROTESTING EVERYTHING AMERICAN IN TERMS OF FORIEGN AFFAIRS. They all say USA should butt out. So now lets butt the fuck out. let the Russians deal with the sovergnity of the ukrain. Just as I say let the Israelis and Syrians. I say.like deniro says in Capone. You mess with me Ill mess with you . Otherwise. We should leave it to them. And THEN I DONT WANT TO HEAR FROM TNE EUROS. WHY DOESEN'T AMERICA STEP IN. WE CANT WIN. SO FUCK EM ... AND I LOVE EUROPE . BUT YOU CANT HAVE IT BOTH WAYS USA SHOULD GO HERE BUT NOT THERE. THIS AINT A CLASH SONG
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2014 14:30:17 GMT -5
And I love EUROPE AND EIROPEANS. but euros in general think America pushes it's weight around. And to a degree I accept that. But this is why I say lets butt the fuck out of everything. Like we did in 20 a til ww2 isolationism unless provoked .
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Post by Boy with the Blues on Mar 3, 2014 6:23:34 GMT -5
And I love EUROPE AND EIROPEANS. but euros in general think America pushes it's weight around. And to a degree I accept that. But this is why I say lets butt the fuck out of everything. Like we did in 20 a til ww2 isolationism unless provoked . I think you're right, the issue here is that the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan have poisoned the USA's reputation in terms of intervention. Which is fair enough, considering the consequences that had. However I feel this is different, it was only a few years ago when Russia did the exact same thing with Georgia that its now doing with Ukraine. Claiming that they were reclaiming the land in the interest of the Russian citizens who live there. However a couple of points to address of the Ukraine situation: 1. Most if not all of Russia's naval fleet is based in the Black Sea, when you look at a map of The Crimea it seems quite a nice spot for a naval base don't you think? 2. Ukraine is wanting to move towards a more pro-EU stance, with the intention of perhaps joining the EU. Ukraine has always been a buffer zone for Russia, even post-Cold War and has always been pro Russia. The Kremlin could be concerned of the EU zone getting pushed ever closer to their borders, and Ukraine perhaps turning against them. 3. The big one, the number of Russians in the Crimean. Now we've obviously heard about Russian forces being deployed in the Crimea, "protecting" the interests of the Russians there. However a recent study showed the majority of Russians in the Crimea wish to remain with Ukraine, as opposed to joining their Russian brethren. Now I'll use the stance I've used for years with the Falkland Islands, if the people of the Crimea wish to become part of Russia then let them. But right now I believe this isn't the case, and Putin seems to be flexing his political weight around to show that Russia is still a powerful player on the global stage. Sadly this is very similar to what his communist predecessors did in the past, and we all know what that period was called (Cold War) and what the consequences were if shit got real (boom).
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Post by UGHF on Mar 3, 2014 7:39:34 GMT -5
Gotta love the cheek of those Russians!
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Post by Elie De Beaufour 🐴 on Mar 3, 2014 7:43:11 GMT -5
A reporter from a Swedish newspaper (Svenska Dagbladet) is in Sevastopol to cover the Crimean crisis. Some local people with hostile looks demand: "What's your language?"
"Uhm, Swedish"
"Poltava! You Swedes get the heck out of Ukrainian internal affairs! Poltava!" The shouts of "Poltava!" and increasing aggression makes the reporter and her photographer realise it's probably a good idea to get out of that crowd. These were Russians, by the way. Not Ukrainians
What year is it again Russia? Not 1709.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2014 9:10:27 GMT -5
And I love EUROPE AND EIROPEANS. but euros in general think America pushes it's weight around. And to a degree I accept that. But this is why I say lets butt the fuck out of everything. Like we did in 20 a til ww2 isolationism unless provoked . I think you're right, the issue here is that the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan have poisoned the USA's reputation in terms of intervention. Which is fair enough, considering the consequences that had. However I feel this is different, it was only a few years ago when Russia did the exact same thing with Georgia that its now doing with Ukraine. Claiming that they were reclaiming the land in the interest of the Russian citizens who live there. However a couple of points to address of the Ukraine situation: 1. Most if not all of Russia's naval fleet is based in the Black Sea, when you look at a map of The Crimea it seems quite a nice spot for a naval base don't you think? 2. Ukraine is wanting to move towards a more pro-EU stance, with the intention of perhaps joining the EU. Ukraine has always been a buffer zone for Russia, even post-Cold War and has always been pro Russia. The Kremlin could be concerned of the EU zone getting pushed ever closer to their borders, and Ukraine perhaps turning against them. 3. The big one, the number of Russians in the Crimean. Now we've obviously heard about Russian forces being deployed in the Crimea, "protecting" the interests of the Russians there. However a recent study showed the majority of Russians in the Crimea wish to remain with Ukraine, as opposed to joining their Russian brethren. Now I'll use the stance I've used for years with the Falkland Islands, if the people of the Crimea wish to become part of Russia then let them. But right now I believe this isn't the case, and Putin seems to be flexing his political weight around to show that Russia is still a powerful player on the global stage. Sadly this is very similar to what his communist predecessors did in the past, and we all know what that period was called (Cold War) and what the consequences were if shit got real (boom). You have excellent points ....but not being from USA u are off in one thing ,,,this USA bashing amongst euros has gone on since after ww2 be it the French in 80 s with lybia. Or the anti nuke demos , nam , This a a Russian issue not the USA and we should butt out ..u make great points but Europe can't pick and choose when swe are ok to intervene . I prefer isiolationism. Flick with us we fight that's all
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Post by LennoNYC on Mar 3, 2014 14:45:35 GMT -5
"Our society is run by insane people for insane objectives. I think we're being run by maniacs for maniacal ends and I think I'm liable to be put away as insane for expressing that. That's what's insane about it." - John Lennon
Nothing else to say...
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Post by Boy with the Blues on Mar 4, 2014 8:40:32 GMT -5
I think you're right, the issue here is that the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan have poisoned the USA's reputation in terms of intervention. Which is fair enough, considering the consequences that had. However I feel this is different, it was only a few years ago when Russia did the exact same thing with Georgia that its now doing with Ukraine. Claiming that they were reclaiming the land in the interest of the Russian citizens who live there. However a couple of points to address of the Ukraine situation: 1. Most if not all of Russia's naval fleet is based in the Black Sea, when you look at a map of The Crimea it seems quite a nice spot for a naval base don't you think? 2. Ukraine is wanting to move towards a more pro-EU stance, with the intention of perhaps joining the EU. Ukraine has always been a buffer zone for Russia, even post-Cold War and has always been pro Russia. The Kremlin could be concerned of the EU zone getting pushed ever closer to their borders, and Ukraine perhaps turning against them. 3. The big one, the number of Russians in the Crimean. Now we've obviously heard about Russian forces being deployed in the Crimea, "protecting" the interests of the Russians there. However a recent study showed the majority of Russians in the Crimea wish to remain with Ukraine, as opposed to joining their Russian brethren. Now I'll use the stance I've used for years with the Falkland Islands, if the people of the Crimea wish to become part of Russia then let them. But right now I believe this isn't the case, and Putin seems to be flexing his political weight around to show that Russia is still a powerful player on the global stage. Sadly this is very similar to what his communist predecessors did in the past, and we all know what that period was called (Cold War) and what the consequences were if shit got real (boom). You have excellent points ....but not being from USA u are off in one thing ,,,this USA bashing amongst euros has gone on since after ww2 be it the French in 80 s with lybia. Or the anti nuke demos , nam , This a a Russian issue not the USA and we should butt out ..u make great points but Europe can't pick and choose when swe are ok to intervene . I prefer isiolationism. Flick with us we fight that's all I think you're right to an extent too, but there is always gonna be people who don't like the US because of their political, military and economic power. I can't imagine many countries were keen on the British Empire, everyone hated us when we were at our peek. But I'll say this, every situation requires diplomacy and in Ukraine right now it's all the more important. The US and Europe should unite in helping solve this issue peacefully, there has been too much bloodshed already.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2014 10:55:15 GMT -5
Now here is where things get my attention ..... Don't care about ukraie as I said I honestly believe it's a internal Russian affair , sorta like if Alaska or Hawaii wanted to leave the lower 48 , only the USA should be concerned , same with Ukraine sovergnity it's all Russian sub states and should be dealt with accordingly IMO
However now Poland is on alert and we are sending a carrier into the area and have vowed to side with Poland , this would be the start of maybe resurrecting the iron curtain , certainly a international concern , if Putin tries to re absorb Poland Into a " communist bloc " for lack of a better term. The European theatre once again will be the hotbed for ww3 because if he goes I to Poland it's history repeating itself . Because they won't stop there nobody not them or hitler ever did .
Mind you I think the world had more order and structure with a distinct 2 power world , but that's my opinion
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Post by bardes on Mar 8, 2014 11:19:52 GMT -5
kalaswhat are you talking about? I'm from Poland, my country is safe. Nothing to worry about, because we are in some structures - the European Union, NATO and USA support us. Putin is fighting for Crimea but that's all. He will not move further to the west. Ukraine is unstable and post-communist, Putin can do a lot there. Poland is independent since 1989 when Lech Wałęsa toppled communism.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2014 11:24:22 GMT -5
kalaswhat are you talking about? I'm from Poland, my country is safe. Nothing to worry about, because we are in some structures - the European Union, NATO and USA support us. Putin is fighting for Crimea but that's all. He will not move further to the west. Ukraine is unstable and post-communist, Putin can do a lot there. Poland is independent since 1989 when Lech Wałęsa toppled communism. Talking about what they just said on CNN. That's what they are talking about not me my friend
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2014 11:25:35 GMT -5
I'm well awRe of how long Poland has been sovereign bardes I love Poland had a few friends from there , they make better vodka than Russia IMO ...but CNN is saying its a threat so I commented , I hope it's bullshit.
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Post by bardes on Mar 8, 2014 11:31:02 GMT -5
kalasHaha, good to know. Yeah our vodka is good . and mate, it's bullshit what CNN is saying.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2014 11:35:05 GMT -5
kalasHaha, good to know. Yeah our vodka is good . and mate, it's bullshit what CNN is saying. Yea I was having coffee and there talking about Poland being possibly next so it listened ,,,,, and commented certainly hope bullshit Yea polish vidka is some strong smooth shit man .,,,,friend of mine tomas. Came from a villiage near Warsaw. vodka was like 150 proof but so smooth ...great stuff
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Mar 12, 2014 13:55:49 GMT -5
Everything seems to be relatively calm now, although US media isn't really covering the story anymore.
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