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Post by davidjay on Feb 23, 2014 11:09:40 GMT -5
Not a chance Maine Road was recorded in HD. Technology wasn't there yet nor did anyone have the ability to view it in HD at home. The video could always be up converted but it'll never truly be HD. Ok, I'll admit I know nothing about the logistics of shooting a gig back in the 90s. I'm assuming then that what you're saying is that actually shot the gig on a SD videotape rather than on something like 35 mm film? EDIT: live4ever.proboards.com/thread/66152?page=1 there's a bit of talk about Knebworth there. It seems there's at least a possibility that Knebworth was filmed (at least partially) in something that might produce HD video. It's a pity if all those classic gigs from the 90s are stuck in SD forever. Yes it's a shame that lots of that footage, such as Maine Road, was SD only. There were HD video cameras available at the time, but I think these were mainly used in a very limited, experimental way. The earliest use by the BBC that I recall was in the late 80s, when they co-produced a drama called The Ginger Tree in high def as a collaboration with the Japanese broadcaster NHK. The BBC also shot some 90s editions of shows like Top of the Pops and (wait for it...) Noel's House Party in HD as a trial of the then emerging technology. However, I think at least some Oasis footage from this period could be presented in true HD... the director Nigel Dick has confirmed that Southend was shot on 16mm. If they re-scan this from the original camera negatives in HD then it could be presented in excellent quality. I agree that the existing transfer is pretty poor quality. It may be worth mentioning here that BBC Resources have recently restored some much older (1970s) 16mm productions in HD to stunning effect- The Sweeney and Doctor Who: Spearhead from Space are two very good examples. I think the original early 1990s House of Cards was remastered in HD by BBC Resources a few years back. That was also 16mm. As I understand it, the bulk of Knebworth was shot on 35mm (there may have been some 8mm and 16mm in there as well, judging by the clip of Champagne Supernova) and so would be even better suited to HD. Hopefully they take the time to go back to the best source material for any future release.
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Post by His Royal Noelness on Feb 23, 2014 11:16:05 GMT -5
Ok, I'll admit I know nothing about the logistics of shooting a gig back in the 90s. I'm assuming then that what you're saying is that actually shot the gig on a SD videotape rather than on something like 35 mm film? EDIT: live4ever.proboards.com/thread/66152?page=1 there's a bit of talk about Knebworth there. It seems there's at least a possibility that Knebworth was filmed (at least partially) in something that might produce HD video. It's a pity if all those classic gigs from the 90s are stuck in SD forever. Yes it's a shame that lots of that footage, such as Maine Road, was SD only. However, I think at least some Oasis footage from this period could be presented in true HD... the director Nigel Dick has confirmed that Southend was shot on 16mm. If they re-scan this from the original camera negatives in HD then it could be presented in excellent quality. I agree that the existing transfer is pretty poor quality. It may be worth mentioning here that BBC Resources have recently restored some much older (1970s) 16mm productions in HD to stunning effect- The Sweeney and Doctor Who: Spearhead from Space are two very good examples. I think the original 1980s House of Cards was remastered in HD by BBC Resources a few years back. That was also 16mm. As I understand it, Knebworth was shot on 35mm and so would be even better suited to HD. Hopefully they take the time to go back to the best source material for any future release. haha, is there anything about this stuff you don't know?!?! That's cool if they were done in 16 mm, we could get a decent if not stunning HD transfer. Any ideas about Familiar to Millions? That actually looks pretty good for a DVD.
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Post by shop92n on Feb 23, 2014 11:17:08 GMT -5
While we're at it...anyone willing to contact Owen Morris through his website (as he seems quite open and communicative about it) and perhaps ask for some further infos about the Mustique demo? For example a tracklist!? Of course, I'd do it myself, but I'm just not a native english speaker...David perhaps??? Sorry in advance for asking that much, just thought it might be a good idea. Just emailed him with a few Qs about Mustique as you suggested. I will let you know if/when he replies! Some great info on his site, especially in the section on b-sides and Mustique. thanks be nice if he tells more about them, on the video debate the gigs were some super 8 cameras used (earls cort and knebworth) could make hd clips, the southend gig was shot on 16mm and would be obvious for blu ray. in a rare case we could get hd tape like bob dylan new bd, if a tape was made .
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Post by davidjay on Feb 23, 2014 11:26:51 GMT -5
Yes it's a shame that lots of that footage, such as Maine Road, was SD only. However, I think at least some Oasis footage from this period could be presented in true HD... the director Nigel Dick has confirmed that Southend was shot on 16mm. If they re-scan this from the original camera negatives in HD then it could be presented in excellent quality. I agree that the existing transfer is pretty poor quality. It may be worth mentioning here that BBC Resources have recently restored some much older (1970s) 16mm productions in HD to stunning effect- The Sweeney and Doctor Who: Spearhead from Space are two very good examples. I think the original 1980s House of Cards was remastered in HD by BBC Resources a few years back. That was also 16mm. As I understand it, Knebworth was shot on 35mm and so would be even better suited to HD. Hopefully they take the time to go back to the best source material for any future release. haha, is there anything about this stuff you don't know?!?! That's cool if they were done in 16 mm, we could get a decent if not stunning HD transfer. Any ideas about Familiar to Millions? That actually looks pretty good for a DVD. I think Familiar to Millions was filmised standard definition video, so technically sub-SD. Not sure- will check later for you. If they went back to the original tapes it could look better, albeit without the "filmic motion" effect added in post-production. Still looks pretty good though.
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Post by davidjay on Feb 23, 2014 11:48:21 GMT -5
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Post by deadman on Feb 23, 2014 11:56:01 GMT -5
David, have you ever tried to get hold of Dick Carruthers for an interview? He's obviously in the with the Oasis camp what with doing many live shows and also that interview with Noel for the Time Flies commentaries. I bet he'd have more than a fair idea about the Oasis video holdings, what exists and on what formats. One thing they could do on Blu Ray is the promo videos, if the original film reels still exist. Whether anyone could be bothered, or more importantly spend the money on it is a different matter - I think we've done quite well to have them all (and that includes some of the more obscure ones) on DVD and that's probably as far as they will go.
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Post by davidjay on Feb 23, 2014 12:18:56 GMT -5
David, have you ever tried to get hold of Dick Carruthers for an interview? He's obviously in the with the Oasis camp what with doing many live shows and also that interview with Noel for the Time Flies commentaries. I bet he'd have more than a fair idea about the Oasis video holdings, what exists and on what formats. One thing they could do on Blu Ray is the promo videos, if the original film reels still exist. Whether anyone could be bothered, or more importantly spend the money on it is a different matter - I think we've done quite well to have them all (and that includes some of the more obscure ones) on DVD and that's probably as far as they will go. No, I haven't but it's a very good idea - thanks! I will see if I can get in contact with him. Would be good to establish what footage survives. Fair point on the music videos too. I'd love to see them in HD. The originals on the Time Flies DVD are good quality. Not sure if there was a PAL version though? The copy I have is NTSC, no region coding. Maybe the videos were mastered in NTSC originally. It was good that they kept them in the original aspect ratio too. The ones on the Definitely Maybe DVD looked a bit odd cropped to 16:9, with people's heads half lopped off etc. I think the resolution loss when cropping 4:3 to widescreen is even more obvious these days, because when people are getting used to 1080-lines, it's jarring to cut to sub SD quality. I guess the expense in remastering them in genuine HD would relate to how much post-production was done on video. Would be nice to see the raw footage from the Wonderwall shoot, as it was shot in colour! A nice extra if it survives. I imagine some of the more recent Oasis promos already have HD masters. I think the video for Shock of the Lightning was shot with 4k digital cinema cameras, so presumably the post production was at least in HD for that one.
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Post by asimarx on Feb 23, 2014 12:47:16 GMT -5
While we're at it...anyone willing to contact Owen Morris through his website (as he seems quite open and communicative about it) and perhaps ask for some further infos about the Mustique demo? For example a tracklist!? Of course, I'd do it myself, but I'm just not a native english speaker...David perhaps??? Sorry in advance for asking that much, just thought it might be a good idea. Just emailed him with a few Qs about Mustique as you suggested. I will let you know if/when he replies! Some great info on his site, especially in the section on b-sides and Mustique. Thanks David, I always wanted to say this - you've been one of the kindest and probably the most effortive person in the Oasis online community over the last couple of years. I appreciate it, every time my enthusiam for Oasis somehow vanishes, you unearth something new and interesting and I'm all in again... The reason I was thinking of you to ask Owen Morris was because of your already established connection, hopefully he will answer with something more revealing. Personally, I would already be fine with a tracklisting for the Mustique demos. It would solve so many mysteries (Slow etc.)... It's funny that we hadn't noticed his website before. He had already posted his notice about being in the process of remastering the first three albums like three months ago. Great reading, indeed. Beyond that he unfortunately just copied the interviews you originally made (without giving credit)!
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Post by davidjay on Feb 23, 2014 13:03:44 GMT -5
Just emailed him with a few Qs about Mustique as you suggested. I will let you know if/when he replies! Some great info on his site, especially in the section on b-sides and Mustique. Thanks David, I always wanted to say this - you've been one of the kindest and probably the most effortive person in the Oasis online community over the last couple of years. I appreciate it, every time my enthusiam for Oasis somehow vanishes, you unearth something new and interesting and I'm all in again... The reason I was thinking of you to ask Owen Morris was because of your already established connection, hopefully he will answer with something more revealing. Personally, I would already be fine with a tracklisting for the Mustique demos. It would solve so many mysteries (Slow etc.)... It's funny that we hadn't noticed his website before. He had already posted his notice about being in the process of remastering the first three albums like three months ago. Great reading, indeed. Beyond that he unfortunately just copied the interviews you originally made (without giving credit)! Thanks for your kind comments! Will keep you posted on any replies & new stuff. Just for background info, the interviews Owen published on this page (under the headings Definitely Maybe and Morning Glory) owenmorris.net/new-order-page-one-title-for-site-2-2-2/are indeed ones also available on my site; when I first wrote to Owen in 2011 he did one new interview for me, which is on the page of my site headed "Owen Morris: How I Mastered Morning Glory". I had some other questions which he didn't have time to answer, so he said would I mind if he sent over the full text of an interview he'd done the year before for Q magazine (not by me). I agreed to republish that, and they're on my site under the headings "Supersonic: Owen Morris on mixing Definitely Maybe" and "Owen Morris on producing Morning Glory". So there's no issue with Owen using them on his own site. The majority of the other interviews on my site are new ones done by me & where they're not I've labelled them as republications, with a note of the original source. Just to clarify the situation there, in case any was needed.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Feb 24, 2014 0:04:38 GMT -5
I'm pretty pumped up about this news. Sure I expected a reissue for Definitely Maybe and Morning Glory but Be Here Now too? Outstanding news. Always my favorite time period for the band, top of the world, balls out attitude. It was a wild ride and I can't wait to see if included in the reissue. The Mystique Tapes would be legendary if released. Both fingers crossed!
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Post by mkoasis on Feb 24, 2014 1:35:28 GMT -5
Like most of you, I'm very curious as to the tracklisting of the bonus discs.
But the vinyl...is it really necessary? We just got a great re-release of all the albums (love the liner notes by Hamish McBain) in 2009.
I'm also curious about the deluxe box set. I'm excited about what might be in there but I'm also kind of wary (for the lack of a better word) about the whole super-deluxe-box-set theme thats going on these days. It just seems to emphasize a larger size and more glamourous package with the same essential material. But for a lot more money and taking up a lot more space.
(yes yes, I know I don't have to buy it but...)
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Post by odmorris on Feb 24, 2014 1:51:50 GMT -5
Owen Morris here. I've suddenly had lots of interest in my crappy little music production website. Lots of messages and questions from Oasis fans. Anyway.....thank you for all the messages....the complimentary and the uncomplimentary (it's just rock n roll gentlemen....). I wrote a quick post about the re-mastering. I suppose I'd better copy it here:
Anyway: the re-mastering. All three albums are, in my opinion, significantly better than my original mastering. I was never a mastering engineer and over eq’d at the time. Basically, Ian Coopers new versions sound like the 1/2″ tape masters, with very minimal eq’ing. I think that de-ess-ing WTSMG was the biggest bit of processing……and now it just sounds right.
My original mixes might not be to everyones taste, but these new mastered versions are the best they will sound.
So, yeah, these new re-mastered versions sound like the original mixes off tape. They are as they should’ve been at the time, in an ideal world. But we got there finally. I’m very grateful to Noel and Ignition for letting me get involved with my recordings again. Haven’t heard if NG actually likes them yet…..but the releases are going ahead, so I have to assume he’s ok with them.
Most of the compression that some people complain about was actually part and parcel of my mixes. The “brick walling” mastering, was a result of the analogue to digital converters I was using at the time: they had a very flat top level. Ian Coopers modern, best in the world analogue to digital converters sound much better.
He's made some super high quality 96khz versions for download...I think.....can't tell the difference myself......but these'll be the ones for audiophiles.....not that my recordings or mixes were particually high quality in the first place.
I haven't heard if NG is planning to release any of the Mustique demos yet. I hope he does. But he might get bored of the whole re-issuing thing after Def Maybe comes out and decide not to re-issue anything else.
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Post by gretschdrummer1000 on Feb 24, 2014 2:10:46 GMT -5
But the vinyl...is it really necessary? We just got a great re-release of all the albums (love the liner notes by Hamish McBain) in 2009. Yeah, I think it is. It costs $100+ to acquire a copy nowadays. All of the 2009 reissues have been out of print for some time and fetch quite a lot. Owen Morris here. I've suddenly had lots of interest in my crappy little music production website. Lots of messages and questions from Oasis fans. Anyway.....thank you for all the messages....the complimentary and the uncomplimentary (it's just rock n roll gentlemen....). I wrote a quick post about the re-mastering. I suppose I'd better copy it here: Anyway: the re-mastering. All three albums are, in my opinion, significantly better than my original mastering. I was never a mastering engineer and over eq’d at the time. Basically, Ian Coopers new versions sound like the 1/2″ tape masters, with very minimal eq’ing. I think that de-ess-ing WTSMG was the biggest bit of processing……and now it just sounds right. My original mixes might not be to everyones taste, but these new mastered versions are the best they will sound. So, yeah, these new re-mastered versions sound like the original mixes off tape. They are as they should’ve been at the time, in an ideal world. But we got there finally. I’m very grateful to Noel and Ignition for letting me get involved with my recordings again. Haven’t heard if NG actually likes them yet…..but the releases are going ahead, so I have to assume he’s ok with them. Most of the compression that some people complain about was actually part and parcel of my mixes. The “brick walling” mastering, was a result of the analogue to digital converters I was using at the time: they had a very flat top level. Ian Coopers modern, best in the world analogue to digital converters sound much better. He's made some super high quality 96khz versions for download...I think.....can't tell the difference myself......but these'll be the ones for audiophiles.....not that my recordings or mixes were particually high quality in the first place. I haven't heard if NG is planning to release any of the Mustique demos yet. I hope he does. But he might get bored of the whole re-issuing thing after Def Maybe comes out and decide not to re-issue anything else. Wow, thanks for the update! I really hope the WTSMG and Be Here Now reissues see the light of day.
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Post by leazes1986 on Feb 24, 2014 3:00:57 GMT -5
Owen Morris here. I've suddenly had lots of interest in my crappy little music production website. Lots of messages and questions from Oasis fans. Anyway.....thank you for all the messages....the complimentary and the uncomplimentary (it's just rock n roll gentlemen....). I wrote a quick post about the re-mastering. I suppose I'd better copy it here: Anyway: the re-mastering. All three albums are, in my opinion, significantly better than my original mastering. I was never a mastering engineer and over eq’d at the time. Basically, Ian Coopers new versions sound like the 1/2″ tape masters, with very minimal eq’ing. I think that de-ess-ing WTSMG was the biggest bit of processing……and now it just sounds right. My original mixes might not be to everyones taste, but these new mastered versions are the best they will sound. So, yeah, these new re-mastered versions sound like the original mixes off tape. They are as they should’ve been at the time, in an ideal world. But we got there finally. I’m very grateful to Noel and Ignition for letting me get involved with my recordings again. Haven’t heard if NG actually likes them yet…..but the releases are going ahead, so I have to assume he’s ok with them. Most of the compression that some people complain about was actually part and parcel of my mixes. The “brick walling” mastering, was a result of the analogue to digital converters I was using at the time: they had a very flat top level. Ian Coopers modern, best in the world analogue to digital converters sound much better. He's made some super high quality 96khz versions for download...I think.....can't tell the difference myself......but these'll be the ones for audiophiles.....not that my recordings or mixes were particually high quality in the first place. I haven't heard if NG is planning to release any of the Mustique demos yet. I hope he does. But he might get bored of the whole re-issuing thing after Def Maybe comes out and decide not to re-issue anything else. Thanks for that. Are the WTSMG and Be Here Now re-issues scheduled for this year if they are released or in 2015 and 2017?
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Post by scott1 on Feb 24, 2014 5:03:59 GMT -5
Owen Morris here. I've suddenly had lots of interest in my crappy little music production website. Lots of messages and questions from Oasis fans. Anyway.....thank you for all the messages....the complimentary and the uncomplimentary (it's just rock n roll gentlemen....). I wrote a quick post about the re-mastering. I suppose I'd better copy it here: Anyway: the re-mastering. All three albums are, in my opinion, significantly better than my original mastering. I was never a mastering engineer and over eq’d at the time. Basically, Ian Coopers new versions sound like the 1/2″ tape masters, with very minimal eq’ing. I think that de-ess-ing WTSMG was the biggest bit of processing……and now it just sounds right. My original mixes might not be to everyones taste, but these new mastered versions are the best they will sound. So, yeah, these new re-mastered versions sound like the original mixes off tape. They are as they should’ve been at the time, in an ideal world. But we got there finally. I’m very grateful to Noel and Ignition for letting me get involved with my recordings again. Haven’t heard if NG actually likes them yet…..but the releases are going ahead, so I have to assume he’s ok with them. Most of the compression that some people complain about was actually part and parcel of my mixes. The “brick walling” mastering, was a result of the analogue to digital converters I was using at the time: they had a very flat top level. Ian Coopers modern, best in the world analogue to digital converters sound much better. He's made some super high quality 96khz versions for download...I think.....can't tell the difference myself......but these'll be the ones for audiophiles.....not that my recordings or mixes were particually high quality in the first place. I haven't heard if NG is planning to release any of the Mustique demos yet. I hope he does. But he might get bored of the whole re-issuing thing after Def Maybe comes out and decide not to re-issue anything else. Cheers for this Owen, clears things up for us - we're all looking forward to these releases greatly.
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Post by davidjay on Feb 24, 2014 6:10:58 GMT -5
Mustique tracklisting
I emailed Owen Morris via his website asking about this and he very kindly replied with this track-listing.
Mustique demos. D’you know what I mean My big mouth My sister lover Stand by me I hope I think I know The girl in the dirty shirt Don’t go Away Fade In-Out Stay young Angel child The fame All around the world It’s getting better man!!
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And he also replied to some other questions I sent him. These are ones that have come up in conversation on various forums down the years. Thanks again to Owen for taking the time to do this.
1. Was Shakermaker remixed from the demo for the album version? When did > Liam re-record the "I'd like to buy the world a Coke" line?
Don't know if it was "the demo", but it was certainly a Mark Coyle and band recording made quickly that they all liked. They had a mixed version of it ready to go into production as the next single after Supersonic, but after I mixed Rock n Roll Star and Columbia, Marcus (on behalf of Noel, I guess) asked me to re-mix Shakermaker. Liam re-recorded the 3rd verse in Johnny Marrs home studio. (when was the mastering? end April, beginning May 1994???) It was where I'd mastered Def Maybe.....and it was a couple of weeks after the mastering that we were told that the third verse had to be changed....for obvious publishing reasons. Liam and Noel turned up one morning, Noel had new words, I recorded Liam singing over an instrumental mix I'm put down of Shakermaker. He honestly sang it in one take. I matched the vocal level up with the rest of the mix (though the vocal sound changes slightly)....and edited just that verse into the album production master. > > 2. Any info about the recording and mixing of the Live Forever b-sides > Cloudburst and Up in the Sky (acoustic).
Nothing to do with me those two > > Morning Glory > > 3. Is the clip of Noel singing Morning Glory at the start of Acquiesce from > a demo of that song, or was it specially recorded for Acquiesce?
I gotta think about this. Noel played me acoustic versions of tunes like Morning Glory on the Some Might say/Acquiese session. But as far as I can remember, it was probably on a pass through the tape hone I was setting Noel up to either do his vocals or play tambourine.....and he would've sang/played that little snippet of Morning Glory as a cheeky reference, specifically to get fans like you asking about it in later years. We'd have listened back to it, laughed at it, and Noel would've said to leave it on. > > 4. Did Noel record a demo of Wonderwall, from when it was called Wishing > Stone? Noel mentions the song's working title in the video below and I > wondered if he ever referred to a recording of it in that form during the > Rockfield sessions. >
Never heard that version myself. I only heard Wonderwall in Rockfield studios a day or two before we recorded it. > > 5. Is there a version of Don't Look Back In Anger with Liam on vocals? Nick Brine > recalls that there was an early version. The only other reference I could > find to this was in an old edition of MOJO... would appreciate your insight > on this!
I was there on the session. Liam absolutely did not sing DLBIA at any point. Noel sat him down and played him Wonderwall and DLBIA and asked which one Liam would prefer to sing....in the knowledge that Noel WAS going to sing the one Liam decided NOT to sing. Liam chose Wonderwall. Liam, at no stage, went in the studio and sang DLBIA. Nick Brines memory is incorrect, but he could've been setting up mice or making the tea, while Noel, Liam and myself were working out the next few days recording plans. > > Noel on DLBIA... 'When I gave [Liam] Don't Look Back in Anger he's singing, > 'But don't back in anger, not today.' I'm saying, 'It's don't _look_ back in > anger. 'He's saying, 'Well, that's not what's fuckin' written 'ere, chief'' > Surprisingly, this exchange did not lead to the usual fraternal punch-up but > served as confirmation to Noel of his dyslexia.' (From MOJO, December 1997, > p. 64)
I have no knowledge of this exchange. Noel first played the song at Sheffield a week or three before the Rockfield sessions started.......it is my guess that he tried Liam out singing the song then.....and gave it up as a bad job. > > 6. How did the radio tuning noises idea come about for the title track? Were > they added in at the mixing stage? > Noel wanted radio noises etc. We plugged a radio in while mixing the track and he fiddled with the dial. Probably took five minutes at most. > > Be here Now > 7.Did the Mustique demo tape contain the song Slow? Any more info on this or > any other unreleased tracks from this demo tape would be great.
I've got the full, in order track listing somewhere. I'll dig it out for you.
> 8. Do you remember anything about the unreleased Oasis song The Red, White > and blue? Any details would be great. It's mentioned briefly in Paolo > Hewitt's book Getting High as being from around this period, but doesn't say > if it was ever recorded. > I didn't record it.......but I hope I think I know......NG was unsure about the "I hope I think I know" up until the last (his alternate line was going to be O A S I S ......)....possibly red white and blue was an earlier option.........But I really don't know so don't take what I'm saying with any authority. > 9. Did Liam ever record a take of the b-sides Going Nowhere and flashbax?
No.......I don't remember Flashbax! Liam was going to do backing vocals on Going Nowhere, but for some stupid reason, the talk back between the control room and Liam in the studio was on permanently (it was my last Oasis session....)....it was in Blurs studio at Matrix.......and Liam overheard me and Noel making some singer jokes, as one did, at Liams expense......stupid really........and Liam clocked it and walked out.
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Post by mimmihopps on Feb 24, 2014 6:19:54 GMT -5
Thank you very much for taking the time and for all those information, davidjay.
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Post by nutsngum on Feb 24, 2014 6:29:57 GMT -5
Some great bits of new information there, thanks David. Re: Dick Caruthers, he's on twitter, as he replied to me re: that Noel cut-up video I made that proved so popular a month ago!
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Post by themanwithnoname on Feb 24, 2014 6:38:16 GMT -5
Owen's site's just gone down. Think the Oasis top brass has been on the phone?
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Post by davidjay on Feb 24, 2014 6:46:49 GMT -5
Owen's site's just gone down. Think the Oasis top brass has been on the phone? Don't know but there was a note on the front page saying that Owen was planning to work with Brian Cannon to update the site. So maybe it's just down for that.
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Post by themanwithnoname on Feb 24, 2014 6:48:37 GMT -5
Owen's site's just gone down. Think the Oasis top brass has been on the phone? Don't know but the was a note on the front page saying that Owen was planning to work with Brian Cannon to update the site. So maybe it's just down for that. Hope that's the reason - fantastic to get stuff from the horse's mouth like this given how much control freakery surrounds Oasis releases.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2014 6:56:12 GMT -5
Mustique tracklisting Mustique demos. D’you know what I mean My big mouth My sister lover Stand by me I hope I think I know The girl in the dirty shirt Don’t go Away Fade In-Out Stay young Angel child The fame All around the world It’s getting better man!! Wow - thank you Owen and David Jay! Fascinating how close that running order is to the final album track list - just replace 'My Sister Lover' with Magic Pie, swap round Don't Go Away and Fade In-Out, and replace 'Stay Young/Angel Child/The Fame' with Be Here Now. Noel obviously had a pretty clear idea of how he expected the running order to shape up even at that early stage! TWB.
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Post by His Royal Noelness on Feb 24, 2014 7:22:15 GMT -5
Thank you Davidjay and Owen Morris! Exciting times ahead
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Post by shop92n on Feb 24, 2014 7:42:24 GMT -5
thanks for the investigating guys, slowly we are learning facts from twenty years back.
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Post by morning_rain on Feb 24, 2014 8:19:47 GMT -5
Thanks so much to everyone involved!
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