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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2014 9:46:49 GMT -5
Ok . I know OASIS. peaked early , cause Noel wrote like a thousand songs. So young ..... But how many lps into a career do you think it takes a band to hit there " sound " there stride if you will .... Like zep on physical bonzo at the beginning of the ocean says "we done 4 already but now where steady " ( something like that ...and it turned out to be there best ever lp IMO. On average what's your take ? How many lps in before they hit there sound , they may have already been mega but they didn't nessesarilly hit there stride til ...
I say 4 ... now the who and Beatles to me needed more , the stones as well , but they released many lps so close together in the modern era I think 4 seems average anyone else ?
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Post by mimmihopps on Feb 21, 2014 2:34:04 GMT -5
I think it depends on cos look The La's who had only one album, but what an album
Lee Mavers made a hell for himself by his own masterpiece. It's sad, but only one This selftitled debut album of theirs is timeless classic.
The Clash had 2 albums (in UK anyway) before London Calling, but with this album, they completed what they wanted to try.
and as for Oasis, I would say Morning Glory.
PS: I'm moving this thread to Rock N Roll Star board, kalas as I think more people will enjoy and join to discuss in this thread. Good thread, kalas!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2014 5:59:38 GMT -5
I think it depends on cos look The La's who had only one album, but what an album Lee Mavers made a hell for himself by his own masterpiece. It's sad, but only one This selftitled debut album of theirs is timeless classic. The Clash had 2 albums (in UK anyway) before London Calling, but with this album, they completed what they wanted to try. and as for Oasis, I would say Morning Glory. PS: I'm moving this thread to Rock N Roll Star board, kalas as I think more people will enjoy and join to discuss in this thread. Good thread, kalas! Yep  agree on all 3. As usual when I make threads like this I never express myself right ..., I mean bands that were around awhile , like OASIS , bands like van Halen. , rush , pearl jam ...not nirvana , or pistols , cause after only so few lps made you can't judge a stride ya know ? Like nirvana may have made 10 by now , would there stride been in utero and peak NEVERMIND ? Ya know ? I never word right sorry . |
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Post by Elie De Beaufour 🐴 on Feb 21, 2014 7:31:41 GMT -5
I know as a power metal freak (no other word sorry) many bands I listen to have 2-3 albums before their stride is seen. The only exception is Italy's Rhapsody of Fire who have 4 before their stride was hit.
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Post by manic on Feb 21, 2014 15:58:41 GMT -5
I'd say by the 3/4th album, really depends though, some bands just decide fuck it lets go experimental, suppose it all comes down to how successful (critically or sales wise) the previous albums were, Oasis and The Stone Roses started with sheer perfection, but other bands it takes them a while to find their sound, like The Beatles, Foo Fighters and that.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2014 16:08:42 GMT -5
Yea I agree with ladt 2. Maybe 5. Cause fires one and even second can be songs that were in can , then by the third you really gotta come up with new shit , so the fourth or 5 th to me would be there stride...... Woulda loved to have seen how nirvana progressed , they didn't seem like a band that would implode , so I think they would be well into there 8 th or 9 th lp. By now . Curious to see if Kurt woulda let Dave write a lot ,I know he hinted at that before his end on MTV. It woulda been so intersting to see what they would have became Rain ....thoughts  |
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Post by manic on Feb 21, 2014 16:27:01 GMT -5
Dave Grohl songs but with Kurt's ear for instrumentation would have been fuckin majestic, think they would have eventually gone down The Beatles route of sticking to the studio, with the odd tour here and there, Kurt wasn't overly fond of touring by all accounts.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2014 16:34:00 GMT -5
Dave Grohl songs but with Kurt's ear for instrumentation would have been fuckin majestic, think they would have eventually gone down The Beatles route of sticking to the studio, with the odd tour here and there, Kurt wasn't overly fond of touring by all accounts. Yea some of the foo fighter songs Like learning to walk I think woulda sounded great with Kurt singing . The lyrics practically are his autobiography , and with Dave writing , Kurt woulda been inspired as well who knows a Lennon / macca USA style ?? |
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Post by manic on Feb 21, 2014 16:39:54 GMT -5
No doubt, Wasting Light is basically a Nirvana record in all but name, White Limo and Rope with a Kurt vocal, fuck me that would have been epic. The main thing that I would have liked to see had Nirvana carried on is what Pat Smear would have brought to the table, aside from his solid guitar playing, I would have loved a more 'meatier' sounding follow up to In Utero if that makes sense, without it being quite as polished as Nevermind. Just Kurt & Pat going for it on Guitar, Krist doing his thing on the Bass and Dave just annihilating the drum kit.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2014 16:44:06 GMT -5
No doubt, Wasting Light is basically a Nirvana record in all but name, White Limo and Rope with a Kurt vocal, fuck me that would have been epic. The main thing that I would have liked to see had Nirvana carried on is what Pat Smear would have brought to the table, aside from his solid guitar playing, I would have loved a more 'meatier' sounding follow up to In Utero if that makes sense, without it being quite as polished as Nevermind. Just Kurt & Pat going for it on Guitar, Krist doing his thing on the Bass and Dave just annihilating the drum kit. Truly the band. To steal from Brando " coulda been a contender " |
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Post by Manualex on Feb 21, 2014 18:19:36 GMT -5
REM if you consider Monster their best LP
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2014 18:33:56 GMT -5
REM if you consider Monster their best LP What ?? now many lps in was the question not whst lp for a band , I just meant how long on average do you think it takes a band to hit stride I know all bands are different , like oasis would be lp 2. But in general , not every band Good to c u manny |
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Post by matt on Feb 21, 2014 18:42:04 GMT -5
REM if you consider Monster their best LP I was thinking about REM for this article. When did they 'hit their stride'? For me personally, I have no idea what the best REM record is. Many might say they never bettered their first album, Murmur, but then some say Life's Rich Pageant or Document, or others say their smash hit Automatic for the People. I also disagree that REM went downhill - the period which included Around The Sun and Accelerate suggests a slide (I never listen to those albums - though some saving graces, most notably Leaving New York), but their last album was superb and of long lasting acts it's one of the strongest later albums I've ever heard. The fact this is up for debate shows what a great band they were, who consistently put out albums of high quality. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2014 18:45:00 GMT -5
REM if you consider Monster their best LP I was thinking about REM for this article. When did they 'hit their stride'? For me personally, I have no idea what the best REM record is. Many might say they never bettered their first album, Murmur, but then some say Life's Rich Pageant or Document, or others say their smash hit Automatic for the People. I also disagree that REM went downhill - the period which included Around The Sun and Accelerate suggests a slide (I never listen to those albums - though some saving graces, most notably Leaving New York), but their last album was superb and of long lasting acts it's one of the strongest later albums I've ever heard. The fact this is up for debate shows what a great band they were, who consistently put out albums of high quality. I guess my thread titles are fucked up ...all I said was IN GENERAL WHEN DOES A BAND ( average band NOT SPECIFIC BAND ) hit there stride , like if you listen to 50 bands what would the average number of lps be into there career before you say they hit stride , nothing to do with a band in particular ....sorry |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2014 18:47:23 GMT -5
It your talking rem. Whatever lp what's the frequency Kenneth to me is there stride , U2 unforgettable fire .....zep zep 4
Who - quadrophonia. Floyd - animals. There all different in terms of length of time ,but on average I say 4 or 5
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Post by matt on Feb 21, 2014 19:09:02 GMT -5
I would say on average 4, but important to note that age also comes into account.
Bands like Led Zeppelin, U2, etc - all were in their early 20s (in some cases just exiting their teens) when they made their first albums.
Young bands usually take that four albums to mature their sound, and in most cases, hit their stride around album 4 - though a lot can be said for the youthful, naive approach that young bands take - it has an impulsive nature to it, and while not musically excellent, the energy shines through in songs. You can name many punk bands in regards to this.
Bands like The La's, Stone Roses and Oasis were well into their 20s (certainly the creative geniuses in those bands) when they started out - perhaps a reason why these bands got off to a blitzing start (or end for The La's).
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Post by Rain on Feb 22, 2014 4:19:08 GMT -5
Yea I agree with ladt 2. Maybe 5. Cause fires one and even second can be songs that were in can , then by the third you really gotta come up with new shit , so the fourth or 5 th to me would be there stride...... Woulda loved to have seen how nirvana progressed , they didn't seem like a band that would implode , so I think they would be well into there 8 th or 9 th lp. By now . Curious to see if Kurt woulda let Dave write a lot ,I know he hinted at that before his end on MTV. It woulda been so intersting to see what they would have became Rain ....thoughts I known if the last Nirvana album was going be most Dave's songs. Alone + Easy Target song. Dave Grohl wrote and recorded the song in its original form in 1991. Grohl played the demo of the song for Nirvana band-mate Kurt Cobain in a break between touring for the album Nevermind. According to Grohl, "I'd told him I was recording and he said, 'Oh, I wanna hear it, bring it by.' He was sitting in the bath-tub with a walkman on, listening to the song, and when the tape ended, he took the headphones off and kissed me and said, 'Oh, finally, now I don't have to be the only songwriter in the band!' I said, 'No, no, no, I think we're doing just fine with your songs.'"[2] Nirvana would jam the song on soundchecks during the Europe 1991 tour. |
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