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Post by scott1 on Feb 4, 2014 13:13:12 GMT -5
It's generally agreed that the songs on BE are an improvement on those from DGSS.
I've just watched the videos from DGSS era - all very nice videos indeed.
Fast-forward to BE....
We have Flick Of The Finger, where we see a fish going about its daily routine in a low-res, "arty" sort of way.
Second Bite Of The Apple shows the band playing a song while the cameraman was clearly taking great pleasure in using the coloured filters he'd just been loaned from the primary school round the corner.
Soul Love. Again the band play a song in a disinterested sort of way, before stopping, standing still and staring *artfully (*pronounced gormlessly) out of shot (who knows what was so mesmerising there, maybe Noel dropped by for a bit) until the ordeal ends.
The only redeeming factor is Shine A Light. Here, Liam happens to discover many many females, all of whom have mysteriously had all their clothes fall off. He also explored his parallel-life as a priest which he almost certainly turned down when he chose the rockstar route.
Don't get me wrong, I love the band and love their songs. I know the music should speak for itself and the videos should be irrelevant to our enjoyment of them, but I feel it reflects an all round lack of effort in promotion from whoever it was decided would be a competent management figure for Beady Eye.
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Post by Willie T. Soke on Feb 4, 2014 13:19:01 GMT -5
they probably don't have a huge budget.
God bless.
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Post by scott1 on Feb 4, 2014 13:22:38 GMT -5
they probably don't have a huge budget. God bless. Not a huge budget needed for a bigger effort. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2014 16:23:05 GMT -5
they probably don't have a huge budget. God bless. Not a huge budget needed for a bigger effort. Just look at Shakermaker, I doubt that one cost very much. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Feb 4, 2014 16:37:12 GMT -5
Who watches music videos these days?
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Post by scott1 on Feb 4, 2014 16:38:00 GMT -5
Just look at Shakermaker, I doubt that one cost very much. I agree entirely, but Shakermaker has plenty of life and energy - two things that the BE videos were lacking I'm afraid. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2014 16:41:48 GMT -5
Lennon2217 sadly must like I remember the first video ever played , video killed the radio star ,..I remember that commercial , no shit , I was chopping, Out lines , with my buddies saying ain't this FUCKINGg great music videos ,,,,lol old . I WANT MY MTV WITH THAT GENERATION ... scott1. Mate I'm probably in a minority ,but except for stand by me video l where I still don't know if the girl died or not , I think oasis videos were boring ,...cause they were about the music which I love about them ....comes as no suprise Liam and Noel both are not avant grade solo ...... One thing great about MTV then , you could chop out lines all night to new videos that were a novelty , or get stoned and find hidden meaning in them .....beats real world Wherever the fuck they are filming nowadays
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Post by scott1 on Feb 4, 2014 16:48:02 GMT -5
Lennon2217 sadly must like I remember the first video ever played , video killed the radio star ,..I remember that commercial , no shit , I was chopping. Out lines , with my buddies saying ain't this FUCKINGg great music videos ,,,,lol old I WANT MY MTV WITH THAT GENERATION ... scott1. Mate I'm probably in a minority ,but except for stand by me video l where I still don't know of the girl died or not , I think oasis videos were boring ,...cause they were about the music which I love about them ....comes as no suprise Liam and Noel both are not avant grade solo Totally agree, the video shouldn't be relevant to the music but unfortunately it tends to reflect the effort being put behind the project it accompanies. Thankfully the songs on BE are great. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2014 16:51:56 GMT -5
Lennon2217 sadly must like I remember the first video ever played , video killed the radio star ,..I remember that commercial , no shit , I was chopping. Out lines , with my buddies saying ain't this FUCKINGg great music videos ,,,,lol old I WANT MY MTV WITH THAT GENERATION ... scott1. Mate I'm probably in a minority ,but except for stand by me video l where I still don't know of the girl died or not , I think oasis videos were boring ,...cause they were about the music which I love about them ....comes as no suprise Liam and Noel both are not avant grade solo Totally agree, the video shouldn't be relevant to the music but unfortunately it tends to reflect the effort being put behind the project it accompanies. Oh I agree ,, why I always loved the oasis I don't give a fuck mentality ........sadly now that bdi are nowhere near oasis success wise , or Noel .for that matter .... videos need to be more commercial ........Noel not so much as he is more like weller he made the tunes that are legendary , he don't want to be a rock star anymore of it works it works , so Liam is in need of more video success to connect with the younger fan base they want .....IMO .....Noel is fine as is with his base again ....IMO ..... By Noel not wanting it , I mean he is comfortable with his accomplishments , you either like or not , he don't care ...bdi wants to be a factor , so the need to step,it up is there |
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Post by scott1 on Feb 4, 2014 17:22:04 GMT -5
Oh I agree ,, why I always loved the oasis I don't give a fuck mentality ........sadly now that bdi are nowhere near oasis success wise , or Noel .for that matter .... videos need to be more commercial ........Noel not so much as he is more like weller he made the tunes that are legendary , he don't want to be a rock star anymore of it works it works , so Liam is in need of more video success to connect with the younger fan base they want .....IMO .....Noel is fine as is with his base again ....IMO ..... By Noel not wanting it , I mean he is comfortable with his accomplishments , you either like or not , he don't care ...bdi wants to be a factor , so the need to step,it up is there You're spot on there - with Oasis there was such a large fanbase that they could afford to put out half-arsed videos, even though many of them were staggering (take All Around The World as proof). Sadly Beady Eye don't have the luxury of such a large fanbase, so they could do with a video that really connects with the video-watching-people. |
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Post by allingoodtime on Feb 4, 2014 17:35:00 GMT -5
You dont really need a big budget nowadays for a great video, I'm no expert but I don't think a lot of money was put into videos like Champagne supernova or songbird..still 2 of my favourites which means the song automatically improves the video if its good enough.
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Post by Who Is Andy Bell? on Feb 4, 2014 19:52:15 GMT -5
Soul Love. Again the band play a song in a disinterested sort of way, before stopping, standing still and staring *artfully (*pronounced gormlessly) out of shot (who knows what was so mesmerising there, maybe Noel dropped by for a bit) until the ordeal ends.Well as Noel said in the Time Flies bit (about the Who Feels Love? video, I think), if you need 4 guys to stand around and do nothing in a music video, they are the guys to do it. Said something to the effect or "we'll walk, we'll play, but we don't do anything else". |
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Post by mkoasis on Feb 4, 2014 23:18:28 GMT -5
Just look at Shakermaker, I doubt that one cost very much. I agree entirely, but Shakermaker has plenty of life and energy - two things that the BE videos were lacking I'm afraid. My thoughts exactly. Shakermaker video is classy  |
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Post by scott1 on Feb 5, 2014 3:05:56 GMT -5
Well as Noel said in the Time Flies bit (about the Who Feels Love? video, I think), if you need 4 guys to stand around and do nothing in a music video, they are the guys to do it. Said something to the effect or "we'll walk, we'll play, but we don't do anything else". You're right about Who Feels Love? but even then, someone decided they should walk around and play in a desert or wherever it was. I know Beady Eye may have been unable to afford to go to the desert - but even with no budget at all there's still plenty of places more interesting to film than a room. |
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Post by shinealight on Feb 5, 2014 4:44:26 GMT -5
I agree with Lennon.Music videos are irrelevant at least if u' re not into Miley Cyrus wanking stuff...I love Beady Eye but I watched their videos twice , max 3 times...
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Post by cigsandalc on Feb 5, 2014 7:49:50 GMT -5
there's still plenty of places more interesting to film than a room. I always liked the morning glory video  But helicopters and flares would be great too |
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Post by themanwithnoname on Feb 5, 2014 8:43:34 GMT -5
Lennon2217 Mate I'm probably in a minority ,but except for stand by me video l where I still don't know if the girl died or not Don't know how to break this to you mate but think she's brown bread. Served her right for arguing with her sister so much that she didn't hear that motorbike coming. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2014 9:30:34 GMT -5
Lennon2217 Mate I'm probably in a minority ,but except for stand by me video l where I still don't know if the girl died or not Don't know how to break this to you mate but think she's brown bread. Served her right for arguing with her sister so much that she didn't hear that motorbike coming. By brown bread. I assume dead .....it's cool ...I just didn't know if she died or not , it's the only video they made that actually kept my interest like a story ...real cool I thought ....hope she survived , but oh well ...cheers |
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Post by Mr. Bigglesworth on Feb 5, 2014 10:22:00 GMT -5
I think "Flick of the Finger" was the best video^^. It had a weird but unique style to it. I really don`t like videos like "little by little" or stuff like that. More visual stuff. "The shock of the lightning", "Flick of the finger" stuff. Just band looking bored, sitting or walking around is .... fucking boring i think^^
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Post by scott1 on Feb 5, 2014 10:38:11 GMT -5
More visual stuff. "The shock of the lightning", "Flick of the finger" stuff. Just band looking bored, sitting or walking around is .... fucking boring i think^^ On the subject of visual stuff, that's what makes All Around The World my favourite music video ever. Anybody can make a band stand in a room but that was genuinely baffling. There'll never be a video more nonsensical and exuberant than that, and at the time it was made it was really quite advanced - took something like 6 months to do. |
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Post by themanwithnoname on Feb 5, 2014 10:41:45 GMT -5
More visual stuff. "The shock of the lightning", "Flick of the finger" stuff. Just band looking bored, sitting or walking around is .... fucking boring i think^^ On the subject of visual stuff, that's what makes All Around The World my favourite music video ever. Anybody can make a band stand in a room but that was genuinely baffling. There'll never be a video more nonsensical and exuberant than that, and at the time it was made it was really quite advanced - took something like 6 months to do. "Is that a man with legs made of sausages? That's not real. Someone's having a laugh. I know for a fact that has got nothing to do with this song. A man with legs made of sausages? F****** hell." |
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Post by scott1 on Feb 5, 2014 10:45:17 GMT -5
"Is that a man with legs made of sausages? That's not real. Someone's having a laugh. I know for a fact that has got nothing to do with this song. A man with legs made of sausages? F****** hell." Highlight of the video mate, absolutely classic. |
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Post by Mr. Bigglesworth on Feb 5, 2014 10:49:04 GMT -5
More visual stuff. "The shock of the lightning", "Flick of the finger" stuff. Just band looking bored, sitting or walking around is .... fucking boring i think^^ On the subject of visual stuff, that's what makes All Around The World my favourite music video ever. Anybody can make a band stand in a room but that was genuinely baffling. There'll never be a video more nonsensical and exuberant than that, and at the time it was made it was really quite advanced - took something like 6 months to do. that was perfect for that song! becaues it was over the top and cocaine inspired like the whole album, especially taht song on the album^^. Beady Eye need more subtile visual style videos for their songs. I would love them to go into a more darker direction. Hopefully andy will get back more to his shoegaze roots and discover the fuzz pedal again. Imagine The Jesus and Mary Chain style songs with Liam as a singer. Dark album cover and dark but simple videos. |
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Post by scott1 on Feb 5, 2014 11:11:30 GMT -5
that was perfect for that song! becaues it was over the top and cocaine inspired like the whole album, especially taht song on the album^^. Beady Eye need more subtile visual style videos for their songs. I would love them to go into a more darker direction. Hopefully andy will get back more to his shoegaze roots and discover the fuzz pedal again. Imagine The Jesus and Mary Chain style songs with Liam as a singer. Dark album cover and dark but simple videos. They need to get more popular before they even consider going down a darker route. Arctic Monkeys got big after their first two albums and made the third their darker effort, which did lose them a fair few fans. Thing is, they were being called 'the new Oasis' and were popular enough to make it work and pull through and retain fans.Whilst Beady Eye actually are 'the new Oasis', they lack a fanbase big enough to be as erratic as a complete change of style. |
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Post by Mr. Bigglesworth on Feb 5, 2014 11:54:39 GMT -5
that was perfect for that song! becaues it was over the top and cocaine inspired like the whole album, especially taht song on the album^^. Beady Eye need more subtile visual style videos for their songs. I would love them to go into a more darker direction. Hopefully andy will get back more to his shoegaze roots and discover the fuzz pedal again. Imagine The Jesus and Mary Chain style songs with Liam as a singer. Dark album cover and dark but simple videos. They need to get more popular before they even consider going down a darker route. Arctic Monkeys got big after their first two albums and made the third their darker effort, which did lose them a fair few fans. Thing is, they were being called 'the new Oasis' and were popular enough to make it work and pull through and retain fans.Whilst Beady Eye actually are 'the new Oasis', they lack a fanbase big enough to be as erratic as a complete change of style. but I think the more distance to Oasis, the better the chance to find a bigger fanbase. Becaues Oasis fans are mostly either "that sounds weird (not like oasis) and has no chorus" or "that sounds like they try to be Oasis". The best would be cancelling playing noel written songs and be more creative with stage settings, lightnigs, videos etc. they don`t need to be as big as Oasis, but I think if they would become more psychedelic like Primal Scream, The Warlocks etc. they have the chance to get into this fanbase of stoner and psychedlic fans, which is a great section for bands, because these people really are into songs, not pop songs which need clear strucutres etc. |
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