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Post by Lennon2217 on Jan 29, 2014 22:21:55 GMT -5
Yes, and they have a better shot than most think. Oasis actually have a very good case to make it in. Some go by the theory that if the Smiths aren't in, then Oasis won't get in. I say that could be extremely faulty reasoning. The difference between the Smiths and Oasis is impact in America. 1.) Usually you must have at least one critically acclaimed album. Oasis has two, Definitely Maybe and What's the Story Morning Glory. Yes, the general public know them more for Morning Glory, but the general public isn't voting. If the general public voted then the Stooges and the Velvet Underground wouldn't be in the Rock n' Roll Hall of Fame. Definitely Maybe will be counted as a critically successful album for them and will strengthen their case. 2.) Commercial Success. Whats the Story Morning Glory. What can be more commercially successful? Not to mention they also hit #2 with BHN and #5 with Dig Out Your Soul. Giving them three Top 5 albums. Along with the big hit: Wonderwall. When you include Live Forever (a song that even Pitchfork says is brilliant), Champagne Supernova, and Don't Look Back in Anger, all big hits on the Modern Rock charts, then they've pretty much sewn up commercial success. 3.) Impact. They were the biggest British Band of their generation by a wide margin. They dominated. They were also the only Brit Pop band to truly make a sizable impact in the states. Other than Radiohead, what other British band has been as enduring since the 90's? I have a hard time believing the hall of fame committee will shut out an entire generation of British band music from the hall. It's never happened before. Usually at least two get it. In this case: Radiohead and Oasis. 4.) Lastly, influence. I don't think anyone can deny Oasis' influence on music. For all their squabbling there are too many artists that would not exist without them. Whether it's Coldplay, the Arctic Monkeys, the Killers, etc (mind you, all big artists), their influence is undeniable. Oasis has an extremely strong case to make it. Will they be first ballot? Probably not. But they'll get in. It'll just take a bit of time. |
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Post by Cast on Jan 30, 2014 13:12:34 GMT -5
Excellent post spaneli.
I would say yeah they'll get it, but really does it matter? This things are pretty useless in the greater scheme of things. Doubt Noel and Liam care about it that much. Their impact as a band is undeniable, neither is the glorious run of 94-96, in which they were not only the best/biggest indie and rock n roll band in the world, but they were a phenomenon. It is rare that musical act becomes that ingrained into culture, and Oasis arrived at just the right time culturally, and musically.
Noel's songs obviously have had an influence over a generations and Liam's voice is about as iconic as they come.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2014 16:31:27 GMT -5
Yes, and they have a better shot than most think. Oasis actually have a very good case to make it in. Some go by the theory that if the Smiths aren't in, then Oasis won't get in. I say that could be extremely faulty reasoning. The difference between the Smiths and Oasis is impact in America. 1.) Usually you must have at least one critically acclaimed album. Oasis has two, Definitely Maybe and What's the Story Morning Glory. Yes, the general public know them more for Morning Glory, but the general public isn't voting. If the general public voted then the Stooges and the Velvet Underground wouldn't be in the Rock n' Roll Hall of Fame. Definitely Maybe will be counted as a critically successful album for them and will strengthen their case. 2.) Commercial Success. Whats the Story Morning Glory. What can be more commercially successful? Not to mention they also hit #2 with BHN and #5 with Dig Out Your Soul. Giving them three Top 5 albums. Along with the big hit: Wonderwall. When you include Live Forever (a song that even Pitchfork says is brilliant), Champagne Supernova, and Don't Look Back in Anger, all big hits on the Modern Rock charts, then they've pretty much sewn up commercial success. 3.) Impact. They were the biggest British Band of their generation by a wide margin. They dominated. They were also the only Brit Pop band to truly make a sizable impact in the states. Other than Radiohead, what other British band has been as enduring since the 90's? I have a hard time believing the hall of fame committee will shut out an entire generation of British band music from the hall. It's never happened before. Usually at least two get it. In this case: Radiohead and Oasis. 4.) Lastly, influence. I don't think anyone can deny Oasis' influence on music. For all their squabbling there are too many artists that would not exist without them. Whether it's Coldplay, the Arctic Monkeys, the Killers, etc (mind you, all big artists), their influence is undeniable. Oasis has an extremely strong case to make it. Will they be first ballot? Probably not. But they'll get in. It'll just take a bit of time. Agree with cast excellent post .. And I want them in. But they won't get in.....you forgot the most important thing . There not liked by people who vote ...and there influence in America is nothing , nobody evrer here says Coldplay reminds you or are influenced by oasis ..I hope your right , but it's a popularity game like baseball you know this .,,,they won't get in ... And you also forget mainstream radio actually thought they disbanded here , that's how low they fell , there influence in America just is not there I would live to,say it is ...trust me you know this ...put it in way us Americans know ..don mattingly . Great player but won't get in hall ....same here ...and not for nothing. There height here still was not that big they never could o,at the garden even during there height they only got there as Lennon2217 correctly says when anyone could seel out MSG ....but even during wtsmg they couldn't ,,,,not happening in America. And who really gives a fuck And spaneli you've been here long time , you talk of commercial success you do realise between 99amd 05 they were rarely played in NYC I started a campaign here to get them played every station said they don't fit there audience !!!!!!! In NYC !!!!!!! WEBBY helped , SHADOWBOXER helped .,, they weren't that big man when classic and alternative rock says your band so t fit there genre in NYC there is no interest THATS A BETTER POLL. WHO GIVES A FUCK IF OASIS MAKES BULLSHIT HALL A-,I do B - I don't B I don't |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jan 30, 2014 17:43:23 GMT -5
Yes, and they have a better shot than most think. Oasis actually have a very good case to make it in. Some go by the theory that if the Smiths aren't in, then Oasis won't get in. I say that could be extremely faulty reasoning. The difference between the Smiths and Oasis is impact in America. 1.) Usually you must have at least one critically acclaimed album. Oasis has two, Definitely Maybe and What's the Story Morning Glory. Yes, the general public know them more for Morning Glory, but the general public isn't voting. If the general public voted then the Stooges and the Velvet Underground wouldn't be in the Rock n' Roll Hall of Fame. Definitely Maybe will be counted as a critically successful album for them and will strengthen their case. 2.) Commercial Success. Whats the Story Morning Glory. What can be more commercially successful? Not to mention they also hit #2 with BHN and #5 with Dig Out Your Soul. Giving them three Top 5 albums. Along with the big hit: Wonderwall. When you include Live Forever (a song that even Pitchfork says is brilliant), Champagne Supernova, and Don't Look Back in Anger, all big hits on the Modern Rock charts, then they've pretty much sewn up commercial success. 3.) Impact. They were the biggest British Band of their generation by a wide margin. They dominated. They were also the only Brit Pop band to truly make a sizable impact in the states. Other than Radiohead, what other British band has been as enduring since the 90's? I have a hard time believing the hall of fame committee will shut out an entire generation of British band music from the hall. It's never happened before. Usually at least two get it. In this case: Radiohead and Oasis. 4.) Lastly, influence. I don't think anyone can deny Oasis' influence on music. For all their squabbling there are too many artists that would not exist without them. Whether it's Coldplay, the Arctic Monkeys, the Killers, etc (mind you, all big artists), their influence is undeniable. Oasis has an extremely strong case to make it. Will they be first ballot? Probably not. But they'll get in. It'll just take a bit of time. Agree with cast excellent post .. And I want them in. But they won't get in.....you forgot the most important thing . There not liked by people who vote ...and there influence in America is nothing , nobody evrer here says Coldplay reminds you or are influenced by oasis ..I hope your right , but it's a popularity game like baseball you know this .,,,they won't get in ... And you also forget mainstream radio actually thought they disbanded here , that's how low they fell , there influence in America just is not there I would live to,say it is ...trust me you know this ...put it in way us Americans know ..don mattingly . Great player but won't get in hall ....same here ...and not for nothing. There height here still was not that big they never could o,at the garden even during there height they only got there as Lennon2217 correctly says when anyone could seel out MSG ....but even during wtsmg they couldn't ,,,,not happening in America. And who really gives a fuck And spaneli you've been here long time , you talk of commercial success you do realise between 99amd 0 5 they were rarely played in NYC I started a campaign here to get them played every station said they don't fit there audience !!!!!!! In NYC !!!!!!! WEBBY helped , SHADOWBOXER helped .,, they weren't that big man when classic and alternative rock says your band so t fit there genre in NYC there is no interest THATS A BETTER POLL. WHO GIVES A FUCK IF OASIS MAKES BULLSHIT HALL A-,I do B - I don't B I don't Don't feel bad kalas, no rock music gets played in New York City anymore. All the indie/alternative stations are dead (99.3, 101.9, etc). Shit, even 104.3 which plays classic rock is lame as hell. They seem to only play the top 30-40 classic rock songs everyone knows and loves already. No thinking outside the box at all. So much great material from the 60s to now, yet they keep playing the same 30 songs over and over and over and over. They probably play "Sweet Child of Mine" 5 times a day. Also...................you can't even find a record shop in NYC anymore. What the fuck is going on here. This is New York people?!?!!?  |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2014 17:49:17 GMT -5
Agree with cast excellent post .. And I want them in. But they won't get in.....you forgot the most important thing . There not liked by people who vote ...and there influence in America is nothing , nobody evrer here says Coldplay reminds you or are influenced by oasis ..I hope your right , but it's a popularity game like baseball you know this .,,,they won't get in ... And you also forget mainstream radio actually thought they disbanded here , that's how low they fell , there influence in America just is not there I would live to,say it is ...trust me you know this ...put it in way us Americans know ..don mattingly . Great player but won't get in hall ....same here ...and not for nothing. There height here still was not that big they never could o,at the garden even during there height they only got there as Lennon2217 correctly says when anyone could seel out MSG ....but even during wtsmg they couldn't ,,,,not happening in America. And who really gives a fuck And spaneli you've been here long time , you talk of commercial success you do realise between 99amd 0 5 they were rarely played in NYC I started a campaign here to get them played every station said they don't fit there audience !!!!!!! In NYC !!!!!!! WEBBY helped , SHADOWBOXER helped .,, they weren't that big man when classic and alternative rock says your band so t fit there genre in NYC there is no interest THATS A BETTER POLL. WHO GIVES A FUCK IF OASIS MAKES BULLSHIT HALL A-,I do B - I don't B I don't Don't feel bad kalas, no rock music gets played in New York City anymore. All the indie/alternative stations are dead (99.3, 101.9, etc). Shit, even 104.3 which plays classic rock is lame as hell. They seem to only play the top 30-40 classic rock songs everyone knows and loves already. No thinking outside the box at all. So much great material from the 60s to now, yet they keep playing the same 30 songs over and over and over and over. They probably play "Sweet Child of Mine" 5 times a day. Also...................you can't even find a record shop in NYC anymore. What the fuck is going on here. This is New York people?!?!!? SAd but true my friend ,,,,,,, However , when I called. 102.7. 104.3 105.5 and we wrote them all , they were playing stp pearl jam Radiohead the verve. So to say oasis didn't fit was ludicrous !!!! Finally 102.7 said flat out on phone OASIS has no appeal to there market .....I said how so you plsy fucking Radiohead !!! He apologised hung up true story Lennon2217. Now your right but then if you play the verve how does oasis not fit  ?? That's why no hall of fame |
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Post by spaneli on Jan 30, 2014 18:28:20 GMT -5
Yes, and they have a better shot than most think. Oasis actually have a very good case to make it in. Some go by the theory that if the Smiths aren't in, then Oasis won't get in. I say that could be extremely faulty reasoning. The difference between the Smiths and Oasis is impact in America. 1.) Usually you must have at least one critically acclaimed album. Oasis has two, Definitely Maybe and What's the Story Morning Glory. Yes, the general public know them more for Morning Glory, but the general public isn't voting. If the general public voted then the Stooges and the Velvet Underground wouldn't be in the Rock n' Roll Hall of Fame. Definitely Maybe will be counted as a critically successful album for them and will strengthen their case. 2.) Commercial Success. Whats the Story Morning Glory. What can be more commercially successful? Not to mention they also hit #2 with BHN and #5 with Dig Out Your Soul. Giving them three Top 5 albums. Along with the big hit: Wonderwall. When you include Live Forever (a song that even Pitchfork says is brilliant), Champagne Supernova, and Don't Look Back in Anger, all big hits on the Modern Rock charts, then they've pretty much sewn up commercial success. 3.) Impact. They were the biggest British Band of their generation by a wide margin. They dominated. They were also the only Brit Pop band to truly make a sizable impact in the states. Other than Radiohead, what other British band has been as enduring since the 90's? I have a hard time believing the hall of fame committee will shut out an entire generation of British band music from the hall. It's never happened before. Usually at least two get it. In this case: Radiohead and Oasis. 4.) Lastly, influence. I don't think anyone can deny Oasis' influence on music. For all their squabbling there are too many artists that would not exist without them. Whether it's Coldplay, the Arctic Monkeys, the Killers, etc (mind you, all big artists), their influence is undeniable. Oasis has an extremely strong case to make it. Will they be first ballot? Probably not. But they'll get in. It'll just take a bit of time. Agree with cast excellent post .. And I want them in. But they won't get in.....you forgot the most important thing . There not liked by people who vote ...and there influence in America is nothing , nobody evrer here says Coldplay reminds you or are influenced by oasis ..I hope your right , but it's a popularity game like baseball you know this .,,,they won't get in ... And you also forget mainstream radio actually thought they disbanded here , that's how low they fell , there influence in America just is not there I would live to,say it is ...trust me you know this ...put it in way us Americans know ..don mattingly . Great player but won't get in hall ....same here ...and not for nothing. There height here still was not that big they never could o,at the garden even during there height they only got there as Lennon2217 correctly says when anyone could seel out MSG ....but even during wtsmg they couldn't ,,,,not happening in America. And who really gives a fuck And spaneli you've been here long time , you talk of commercial success you do realise between 99amd 05 they were rarely played in NYC I started a campaign here to get them played every station said they don't fit there audience !!!!!!! In NYC !!!!!!! WEBBY helped , SHADOWBOXER helped .,, they weren't that big man when classic and alternative rock says your band so t fit there genre in NYC there is no interest THATS A BETTER POLL. WHO GIVES A FUCK IF OASIS MAKES BULLSHIT HALL A-,I do B - I don't B I don't I don't think likability matters. Did anyone who voted for the Sex Pistols find them likable? Or how about Ike Turner? Or Axl Rose? Or Joni Mitchell? David Byrne of the Talking Heads or even Cat Stevens? All those people are in whether likable or not. Again, this isn't the general view. Likability is overrated. The committee is actually fairly decent at looking past that. And in terms of candidacy, it doesn't matter when mainstream radio thinks they fell off. That's completely irrelevant. It's only relevant toward whether you think they'll sell millions of records again, but not in a career retrospective like the Hall of Fame. Again, if the thoughts of mainstream radio mattered, then Velvet Underground, the Stooges, The Ramones, The Small Faces, Alice Cooper, Joni Mitchell, and Frank Zappa wouldn't be in. There's no correlation between what mainstream radio thinks and whether someone will make it or not. If when or how long artists mattered to mainstream radio or even the mainstream public counted t, then probably half of the artists in the rock n' roll hall of fame wouldn't be in because every artists has that fall off. Unless you're the Beatles every artist has that radio irrelevance. That's the point of a peak. For a period of time you're relatively known to everyone, then you fall off, then you're forgotten by the mainstream. That's the career arch of just about every artist. I don't think that will matter much. The only people in matters to is the buying public and fans. The hall has proven that it probably won't much matter. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2014 18:34:39 GMT -5
Agree with cast excellent post .. And I want them in. But they won't get in.....you forgot the most important thing . There not liked by people who vote ...and there influence in America is nothing , nobody evrer here says Coldplay reminds you or are influenced by oasis ..I hope your right , but it's a popularity game like baseball you know this .,,,they won't get in ... And you also forget mainstream radio actually thought they disbanded here , that's how low they fell , there influence in America just is not there I would live to,say it is ...trust me you know this ...put it in way us Americans know ..don mattingly . Great player but won't get in hall ....same here ...and not for nothing. There height here still was not that big they never could o,at the garden even during there height they only got there as Lennon2217 correctly says when anyone could seel out MSG ....but even during wtsmg they couldn't ,,,,not happening in America. And who really gives a fuck And spaneli you've been here long time , you talk of commercial success you do realise between 99amd 05 they were rarely played in NYC I started a campaign here to get them played every station said they don't fit there audience !!!!!!! In NYC !!!!!!! WEBBY helped , SHADOWBOXER helped .,, they weren't that big man when classic and alternative rock says your band so t fit there genre in NYC there is no interest THATS A BETTER POLL. WHO GIVES A FUCK IF OASIS MAKES BULLSHIT HALL A-,I do B - I don't B I don't I don't think likability matters. Did anyone who voted for the Sex Pistols find them likable? Or how about Ike Turner? Or Axl Rose? Or Joni Mitchell? David Byrne of the Talking Heads or even Cat Stevens? All those people are in whether likable or not. Again, this isn't the general view. Likability is overrated. The committee is actually fairly decent at looking past that. And in terms of candidacy, it doesn't matter when mainstream radio thinks they fell off. That's completely irrelevant. It's only relevant toward whether you think they'll sell millions of records again, but not in a career retrospective like the Hall of Fame. Again, if the thoughts of mainstream radio mattered, then Velvet Underground, the Stooges, The Ramones, The Small Faces, Alice Cooper, Joni Mitchell, and Frank Zappa wouldn't be in. There's no correlation between what mainstream radio thinks and whether someone will make it or not. If when or how long artists mattered to mainstream radio or even the mainstream public counted t, then probably half of the artists in the rock n' roll hall of fame wouldn't be in because every artists has that fall off. Unless you're the Beatles every artist has that radio irrelevance. That's the point of a peak. For a period of time you're relatively known to everyone, then you fall off, then you're forgotten by the mainstream. That's the career arch of just about every artist. I don't think that will matter much. The only people in matters to is the buying public and fans. The hall has proven that it probably won't much matter. I agree on all counts ....except oasis were not as relevant here as the people you mention Ike and Tina m pistols GNR , even Joni Mitchell. , who really cares you make great points .....they still have no shot in USA |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2014 18:37:05 GMT -5
spaneli .....it took kiss forever , rush and yes are not in...... in terms of candidacy there credentials in USA piss on oasis. In every way .... I hear all you say , but end of day outside of here they are not relevant, and i like it that way ....I'll be here if I'm wrong sadly I will be right Oh yea , I believe a poster here thankfully someone who no longer exists to me said fans here are open minded ....15-1 for induction in USA ...... Case closed
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Post by Let It🩸 on Jan 30, 2014 18:43:08 GMT -5
i live about two and half hours from the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame...never been there.
God bless.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jan 30, 2014 18:45:44 GMT -5
Where is the push for Collective Soul making the Hall of Fame? Back in the 90s, they were probably bigger than Oasis in America. I haven't met, heard or seen this band since. I doubt they have a case yet smoked Oasis in every regard commercially stateside.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2014 18:48:31 GMT -5
Where is the push for Collective Soul making the Hall of Fame? Back in the 90s, they were probably bigger than Oasis in America. I haven't met, heard or seen this band since. I doubt they have a case yet smoked Oasis in every regard stateside. * Total hypothetical recommendation that I do not personally supportWithout question ...runaway train to start got way more juice than WONDERWALL was regularly played on every teenage angst show in 90 s from 90210 thrun. Forgot that , |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2014 18:49:52 GMT -5
Anybody who knows me knows I love Oasis more than you know but if you want objectivity be real , they were forgotten here. ,
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jan 30, 2014 18:54:46 GMT -5
Where is the push for Collective Soul making the Hall of Fame? Back in the 90s, they were probably bigger than Oasis in America. I haven't met, heard or seen this band since. I doubt they have a case yet smoked Oasis in every regard stateside. * Total hypothetical recommendation that I do not personally supportWithout question ...runaway train to start got way more juice than WONDERWALL was regularly played on every teenage angst show in 90 s from 90210 thrun. Forgot that , Runaway Train was a different band kalas. That was Soul Asylum and it was a massive hit for sure. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2014 18:59:20 GMT -5
My coke years.  Right collective soul had the massive hit. That went let your light shine down ? Right. Shine |
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Post by Sternumman on Jan 30, 2014 22:15:52 GMT -5
Should they? Yes
Will they? No
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jan 30, 2014 23:00:19 GMT -5
My coke years. Right collective soul had the massive hit. That went let your light shine down ? Right. Shine Were you like Johnny Depp in Blow? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2014 0:21:04 GMT -5
My coke years. Right collective soul had the massive hit. That went let your light shine down ? Right. Shine Were you like Johnny Depp in Blow? Nah lol but I did allot man. At my worst or best ...I did a 8 ball every night sometimes more and then used tulinolls or oxy to come down but in 80 s lemon 714 ludes to come down ...I was more like Matt Dillon in drugstore cowboy tbh ....you shoulda seen my freezer man. Vodka , blow , weed , and sugar bowl pills , true story |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jan 31, 2014 0:24:35 GMT -5
Were you like Johnny Depp in Blow? Nah lol but I did allot man. At my worst or best ...I did a 8 ball every night sometimes more and then used tulinolls or oxy to come down but in 80 s lemon 714 ludes to come down ...I was more like Matt Dillon in drugstore cowboy tbh ....you shoulda seen my freezer man. Vodka , blow , weed , and sugar bowl pills , true story So a little something like this then? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2014 0:25:34 GMT -5
Oh and not proud of that Lennon2217 but it's truth |
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Post by Elie De Beaufour 🐴 on Jan 31, 2014 7:40:15 GMT -5
Quick question: Is Steve Earle in the RRHOF? Heard he was but not sure.
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Post by allingoodtime on Jan 31, 2014 8:57:32 GMT -5
Oasis were the biggest band in the 90's, and the best throughout their time, released 2 of the best albums of all time (esp Morning Glory), their b-sides can beat any current bands best songs..they deserve it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2014 9:49:03 GMT -5
Should they? Yes Will they? No ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ This whole nonsensical poll on a site full of zealots says ita all ,. I feel it as well , but they got zero shot despite spaneli great argument ... |
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Post by Sternumman on Jan 31, 2014 12:43:46 GMT -5
Oasis were the biggest band in the 90's, and the best throughout their time, released 2 of the best albums of all time (esp Morning Glory), their b-sides can beat any current bands best songs..they deserve it. Biggest band in the UK. Not In America and that's where the Hall of Fame is. |
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Post by allingoodtime on Jan 31, 2014 13:12:59 GMT -5
Should they? Yes Will they? No ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ This whole nonsensical poll on a site full of zealots says ita all ,. I feel it as well , but they got zero shot despite spaneli great argument ... easy solution, gtfo |
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Post by robdemanc on Feb 4, 2014 13:22:43 GMT -5
They should already be
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?? That's why no hall of fame 
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