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Post by The Invisible Sun on Nov 18, 2013 15:12:19 GMT -5
Isn't Iz Rite the main single being released? Does this mean we will get a video for Iz Rite too?
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Post by spaneli on Nov 18, 2013 15:23:43 GMT -5
I would disagree. Some of the best videos are low budget. It's a misunderstanding to think every great video has a great budget. It's a lack of creativity. It really doesn't take any creativity to make a video as long as you have basic editing skills and the right equipment. The video doesn't even have to be about the subject matter of the song, have linear progression or make sense in anyway. It just has to be mildly entertaining. I think this video is something they could have done in a single day, without much effort and for a very low amount of money. SBOTA was terrible, possibly the worst video I have ever seen. SAL was great, even if the song was a poor single choice. And with Soul Love, we are back to mediocre video making. You've never worked on a set or done production, have you? It's far from easy to make a good video. And to make a good video takes creativity. Hell, to make a video in general takes a hell of a lot of work. To say it doesn't is "idiotic" and shows a complete lack of knowledge. You can have all the money and equipment you want, but if you don't have more than the "basic" editing skills and a solid creative idea to go along with it, then you won't make a good video. It's never as simple as money equals quality.
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Nov 18, 2013 15:40:22 GMT -5
It really doesn't take any creativity to make a video as long as you have basic editing skills and the right equipment. The video doesn't even have to be about the subject matter of the song, have linear progression or make sense in anyway. It just has to be mildly entertaining. I think this video is something they could have done in a single day, without much effort and for a very low amount of money. SBOTA was terrible, possibly the worst video I have ever seen. SAL was great, even if the song was a poor single choice. And with Soul Love, we are back to mediocre video making. You've never worked on a set or done production, have you? It's far from easy to make a good video. And to make a good video takes creativity. Hell, to make a video in general takes a hell of a lot of work. To say it doesn't is "idiotic" and shows a complete lack of knowledge. You can have all the money and equipment you want, but if you don't have more than the "basic" editing skills and a solid creative idea to go along with it, then you won't make a good video. It's never as simple as money equals quality. I never said it was easy, I said it doesn't take much creativity. And when I say creativity, I am referring to what you want the video to represent, not the labor going into making it happen. As I mentioned, a music video doesn't need much of a story if at all. It doesn't have to be linear, it doesn't even have to make sense. So saying that they didn't make a video due to lack of creativity is a bit befuddling to me. They could have done just about anything, but for some strange reason, they chose to do it on a stage with just them playing their instruments and miming along. That tells me they didn't want to put much money into it. "You can have all the money and equipment you want, but if you don't have more than the "basic" editing skills and a solid creative idea to go along with it, then you won't make a good video." I addressed this in one of my posts already. It seems ridiculous for somebody to hire a person for a music video without basic editing skills. "It's never as simple as money equals quality. " Yes, it does actually. The more money that is provided the more of a budget you can work with. The more professional and motivated your employees will be and the more options will open up. Don't want to shoot on a stage? Toss in another thousand to move camp and go out to a desert with tumbleweeds blowing in the background. Don't want to wear your every day clothes? Hire an outfitter that will make things more interesting.
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Post by morning_rain on Nov 18, 2013 16:00:44 GMT -5
It's never as simple as money equals quality. I agree with that. Yes, it does actually. The more money that is provided the more of a budget you can work with. The more professional and motivated your employees will be and the more options will open up. Don't want to shoot on a stage? Toss in another thousand to move camp and go out to a desert with tumbleweeds blowing in the background. Don't want to wear your every day clothes? Hire an outfitter that will make things more interesting. I worked last year as an art director and I can assure you that money doesn't garantee you anything in terms of quality. In fact sometimes the lack of a big budget requires a creative mind to do some magic with little money. Take movies for example, are blockbusters great movies just because they cost millions? Fast & Furious 6 - $160.000.000 Eternal Sunshine Of The Spotless Mind - $20.000.000 Would you say F&F6 is a better movie because it costed more money? ESOTSM has stunning visual effects made with a extremely tight budget and also the screenplay is one of the better ones ever written.
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Nov 18, 2013 16:29:50 GMT -5
It's never as simple as money equals quality. I agree with that. Yes, it does actually. The more money that is provided the more of a budget you can work with. The more professional and motivated your employees will be and the more options will open up. Don't want to shoot on a stage? Toss in another thousand to move camp and go out to a desert with tumbleweeds blowing in the background. Don't want to wear your every day clothes? Hire an outfitter that will make things more interesting. I worked last year as an art director and I can assure you that money doesn't garantee you anything in terms of quality. In fact sometimes the lack of a big budget requires a creative mind to do some magic with little money. Take movies for example, are blockbusters great movies just because they cost millions? Fast & Furious 6 - $160.000.000 Eternal Sunshine Of The Spotless Mind - $20.000.000 Would you say F&F6 is a better movie because it costed more money? ESOTSM has stunning visual effects made with a extremely tight budget and also the screenplay is one of the better ones ever written. "Take movies for example, are blockbusters great movies just because they cost millions?" For what they want to achieve? Most likely. Fast & Furious 6 was an amazing movie for what it set out to achieve. An action packed blockbuster, it delivered. The series has never relied on well developed characters, an intriguing plot or great dialogue to entertain. It was always about crime, fast cars, great action sequences and great special effects. It achieved that perfectly. If they didn't have that budget, it probably would not have been worth watching. A smaller budget can work out quite nicely, there is no doubting that. I am saying that the more money you have, the more likely you can achieve whatever goal you set out to do and in many cases can go beyond that original goal. If you are restricted to a relatively tight budget, naturally there is less you can do. Quality is subjective. I hate The Godfather films with a passion, but I would be in the minority with that opinion. I know people that hate The Lord Of The Rings films with a passion even though it is widely accepted that they are quality films. If we want to start cherry picking, we could go back and forth all day. I could pick a hundred low budget movies that are absolutely dreadful films. You could pick a hundred low budget films that are amazing. I could pick a hundred high budget films that are amazing. You could pick a hundred high budget films that are dreadful. In the end it doesn't prove anything. "Eternal Sunshine Of The Spotless Mind" Never seen this movie. And I have never even heard of it. I watch a lot of movies too, it is my favorite past time. Perhaps they didn't advertise much due to the low budget?
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Post by morning_rain on Nov 18, 2013 16:38:31 GMT -5
"Eternal Sunshine Of The Spotless Mind" Never seen this movie. And I have never even heard of it. I watch a lot of movies too, it is my favorite past time. Perhaps they didn't advertise much due to the low budget? Where are you from? I think it's quite famous. But basing on your opinion on films such as F&F6 I kind of get why you haven't heard of this one. Not trying to be rude, it's just that you'll probably won't like it. Back on topic. Yes, money makes things possible. No, money doesn't get creativity.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Nov 18, 2013 16:51:35 GMT -5
Do people really care about music video's still?
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Post by shinealight on Nov 18, 2013 17:11:42 GMT -5
They could have put some fit dancers in it like they did in Bring the light or went for different setting/location (a park like Songbird). Liam might have expressed his love for his sausagge dogs... basically anything would do better job than this.
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Post by allingoodtime on Nov 18, 2013 17:24:38 GMT -5
A lot of music videos out there atm are shit tbh..
This isnt shit at all, the only problem is its too similar to other BDI vids..its like a mixture of The four letter word and TSBOTA
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Post by eva on Nov 18, 2013 17:34:49 GMT -5
They obviously filmed it in 10 minutes or so. In these cases I prefer they use live footage from some gig instead a of a band miming in front of a green screen.
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Post by spaneli on Nov 18, 2013 17:51:03 GMT -5
It's never as simple as money equals quality. I agree with that. Yes, it does actually. The more money that is provided the more of a budget you can work with. The more professional and motivated your employees will be and the more options will open up. Don't want to shoot on a stage? Toss in another thousand to move camp and go out to a desert with tumbleweeds blowing in the background. Don't want to wear your every day clothes? Hire an outfitter that will make things more interesting. Would you say F&F6 is a better movie because it costed more money? ESOTSM has stunning visual effects made with a extremely tight budget and also the screenplay is one of the better ones ever written. For the record, I love Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind. One of Jim Carrey and Kate Winslet's best films. And yes, when you have less money it forces you to do the most with what you have and many times that leads to a far more interesting "vision."
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Nov 18, 2013 18:06:51 GMT -5
"Eternal Sunshine Of The Spotless Mind" Never seen this movie. And I have never even heard of it. I watch a lot of movies too, it is my favorite past time. Perhaps they didn't advertise much due to the low budget? Where are you from? I think it's quite famous. But basing on your opinion on films such as F&F6 I kind of get why you haven't heard of this one. Not trying to be rude, it's just that you'll probably won't like it. Back on topic. Yes, money makes things possible. No, money doesn't get creativity. I don't really care for F&F 6 or the other films (wouldn't make it into my top 100), for instance the last 3, I have only viewed a single time and don't have any motivation to watch them again in the near future. I hate the Tokyo Drift movie with a passion. I am just pointing out the goals that the films created and how they achieved them. If you are someone who cares more about action than story, you will love the Furious movies. I am American and have a wide range of tastes in film. Some recent movies I have really enjoyed were Byzantium, Oblivion, and Prisoners.
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Post by hypermyth on Nov 19, 2013 3:54:36 GMT -5
Wow Andrea Pirlo has joined Beady Eye...
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Post by Jim on Nov 19, 2013 3:59:15 GMT -5
I like it, fits the vibe of the song. Similar to the background effects at the gigs.
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Post by theultimatewannabe on Nov 19, 2013 5:12:20 GMT -5
Wow Andrea Pirlo has joined Beady Eye... hehehe that new beard's the only thing amusing in there for me
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Post by Mr. Bigglesworth on Nov 19, 2013 5:23:11 GMT -5
I would disagree. Some of the best videos are low budget. It's a misunderstanding to think every great video has a great budget. It's a lack of creativity. Creative people <=> bigger budget I would take "Lonely Boy" by the Black Keys as a example. This was creativity and had cost nearly nothing. But a fun and great music video. Like the song and the visuals of the Soul Love video, but it would need some other scenes and flicks, maybe david lynch style stuff, in between the band miming stuff.
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Post by shinealight on Nov 19, 2013 7:35:25 GMT -5
Wow Andrea Pirlo has joined Beady Eye... Hope it's Gem cause Pirlo is old, slow & overrated
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Post by hypermyth on Nov 19, 2013 8:38:17 GMT -5
Wow Andrea Pirlo has joined Beady Eye... Hope it's Gem cause Pirlo is old, slow & overrated he might be old but he is still one of the best midfielders in europe
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Post by cosmos on Nov 19, 2013 10:36:24 GMT -5
I repeat: british music videos are disastrous!
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Post by allingoodtime on Nov 19, 2013 10:52:31 GMT -5
Pirlo's easily the best playmaker in the world imo
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Post by keazu on Nov 19, 2013 12:15:13 GMT -5
So this song's totally about drugs, right?
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Post by The Chief on Nov 19, 2013 12:41:20 GMT -5
Completely follows the Beady Eye trend of boring videos about nothing. Were I a member of the band I'd be pissed to have to waste my time doing these.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Nov 19, 2013 12:54:06 GMT -5
Completely follows the Beady Eye trend of boring videos about nothing. Were I a member of the band I'd be pissed to have to waste my time doing these. I think they are pissed off to be having to do these videos as its pretty clear none of them are interested in doing them tbh. I don't blame them either, if they did a really good creative video it would make no difference anyway.
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Post by allingoodtime on Nov 19, 2013 13:42:40 GMT -5
I think they'll have a good one for Iz rite though
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2013 15:46:57 GMT -5
I think they'll have a good one for Iz rite though Is there going to be one for iz rite? I'm just assuming they have made soul love the main song of the single now, I think that might be best tbh, Liam does struggle with the higher notes on iz rite, especially considering they are going on alan carr, better to sing a easy song and do a good job than struggle with another song. I think soul love is a good song, its a bit plodding but it wouldnt work any other way imo, the video is great, doesn't need anything more.
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