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Post by matt on Sept 9, 2013 19:37:55 GMT -5
Anything you can think of (and please not 'Oasis splitting' because we've had enough of that) but are there things by your favourite artists that they shouldn't have done or missed an opportunity?
Perhaps I'm being a bit broad, but my train of thought comes from having just listened to Sgt Peppers Lonely Hearts Club Band.
Great great album as I'm sure you'll all agree - and maybe, just maybe, my favourite Beatles album - but I couldn't help but think that they made a big mistake leaving Penny Lane and Strawberry Fields off the album. Granted, they had to release a single as the record company demanded it, but imagine those two tunes on the album? They suit the album perfectly - musically expansive, psychedelic, quirky, very Englishy and nostalgic but ahead of its time.... it would make the biggest album of all time even bigger! There's not a bad track, but it's weakest moments - Being For The Benefit of Mr Kite and Within You Without You - could have been replaced with these two? George Martin even says it was 'the biggest mistake of my life' leaving them off.
Simply then, in the context of such a massive album and massive band, I feel it was one of the missed opportunites of the Fab Four's career. What other ones can I think of? I would have to say The Beach Boys failed attempt at the follow up of Pet Sounds - the Smile sessions. I have the Smile sessions on CD when they came out in 2011 and, like most folk, I feel the pieces are all there for arguably an even better album than Pet Sounds! Of course, it's not a 'mistake' as Brian Wilson suffered from emotional instability sadly, and it was sort of 'completed' when Wilson completed it in 2004, but you feel there was a missed opportunity to really rival the Beatles for supremacy there, and considering Wilson was going through a purple patch of genius songwriting, perhaps the material would have ended up far greater than the 2004 release when he finished it all those years later.
These are just two examples, ones that I feel could have completely rewritten music history. If The Beatles had included those two mentioned tracks on Sgt Pepper, would every other artist on the planet have to submit and retire while radio stations would only ever play Beatles songs? Probably not... but imagine that album having an even bigger impact than it did! More realistic to say I feel, I think the collapse of the Smile recording sessions perhaps to be the biggest musical casualty in history.
So what to you is the biggest mistake/missed opportunity in the history of popular music? And I'm not forgetting about the big elephant in the room while I was writing this - Be Here Now.
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Post by John William Anglin on Sept 9, 2013 20:03:03 GMT -5
i can't help but think what could've been if Pete Doherty didn't have drug problems.....the Libertines first album is great, and their second and last record has great moments.
God bless.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2013 2:40:30 GMT -5
I don't know, Within You Without You and Mr Kite were some of my favourite tracks off Sgt. Pepper but yes, Penny Lane more than deserved a place on there, I think a direct swap for Lovely Rita would have been a good choice. Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds does nothing for me so I wouldn't have minded that much had Strawberry Fields been put on instead.
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Post by mimmihopps on Sept 10, 2013 7:12:25 GMT -5
To call 99% of new bands "indie" or "alternative" and call them "next big thing", "next ... (Oasis, The Beatles or whatsever), mostly by music papers.
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Post by Shockmaster on Sept 11, 2013 7:18:02 GMT -5
Kings of Leon cutting their hair.
Alex Turner getting a quiff.
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Post by Headmaster on Sept 11, 2013 8:03:47 GMT -5
Agree with Sgt Peppers, that album would have been unbeatable if it had both Penny alne and Strawberry Fields Forever, I don't mind Being for the Benefit of Mr Kite, but Good Morning is really annoying.
Agree also with The Libertines, they could have been huge if Pete wasn't a vagina, they would have been what Arctic Monkeys is today, or even bigger.
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Post by Elias on Sept 13, 2013 6:34:12 GMT -5
I once bought 'Your New Favourite Band'. Regretted it ever since.
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Post by WirralRiddler on Sept 13, 2013 6:42:48 GMT -5
Agree with Sgt Peppers, that album would have been unbeatable if it had both Penny alne and Strawberry Fields Forever, I don't mind Being for the Benefit of Mr Kite, but Good Morning is really annoying. Agree also with The Libertines, they could have been huge if Pete wasn't a vagina, they would have been what Arctic Monkeys is today, or even bigger.  No chance, just not good enough, they never were. |
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Post by mimmihopps on Sept 13, 2013 7:24:49 GMT -5
Losing John Peel (but we all know we couldn't do anything about it).
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Post by Elie De Beaufour 🐴 on Sept 18, 2013 22:43:27 GMT -5
For me, and I certainly hope there's no fanboys here: Mike Portnoy whinging he was kicked out of Dream Theater then joining A7X. Nightmare made me want ro shoot myself.
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Post by Manualex on Sept 19, 2013 3:02:18 GMT -5
For me, and I certainly hope there's no fanboys here: Mike Portnoy whinging he was kicked out of Dream Theater then joining A7X. Nightmare made me want ro shoot myself. I am not a fanboy of any sorts, but Mike didn't joined A7X he was there for the album and tour. He wasn't going to be a permanent stickman for that band(otherwise its just talk of him and his head and fanboys if you will). I think that the new DT work has something unique about them and it's the 'new Mike' aproach to the drums. It was for the better of DT but for the old Mike... I dont think so. Sad, but true(or that AX7 ripoff) |
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Post by deasy on Sept 19, 2013 6:51:47 GMT -5
Lee Mavers' failure to release music
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Post by manicsfan on Sept 19, 2013 7:02:05 GMT -5
It's a tragedy rather than a mistake but Richey Edwards story is a sad one.
Amazing lyricist.
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Post by Elie De Beaufour 🐴 on Sept 21, 2013 8:13:31 GMT -5
For me, and I certainly hope there's no fanboys here: Mike Portnoy whinging he was kicked out of Dream Theater then joining A7X. Nightmare made me want ro shoot myself. I am not a fanboy of any sorts, but Mike didn't joined A7X he was there for the album and tour. He wasn't going to be a permanent stickman for that band(otherwise its just talk of him and his head and fanboys if you will). I think that the new DT work has something unique about them and it's the 'new Mike' aproach to the drums. It was for the better of DT but for the old Mike... I dont think so. Sad, but true(or that AX7 ripoff) Thank God this isn't the Portnoy forum, so many fanboys slobbering over him it's inncredible |
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Post by Shockmaster on Sept 22, 2013 4:31:26 GMT -5
Miles Kane's haircut.
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Post by liamsloafers on Sept 22, 2013 14:10:20 GMT -5
Seeing as know ones said it and it pains me to. BE HERE NOW !!
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Post by Shockmaster on Sept 25, 2013 3:24:32 GMT -5
Mumford and Sons.
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Post by davidjay on Sept 25, 2013 4:21:57 GMT -5
The Loudness War... started in the mid-90s and it's still ongoing and spoiling the sound quality of lot of great music in all genres. The thing is, we own the volume control, not the record company... and radio and TV turn everything up to a consistent level anyway, making the whole exercise fairly pointless.
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Post by matt on Sept 25, 2013 12:12:54 GMT -5
The Loudness War... started in the mid-90s and it's still ongoing and spoiling the sound quality of lot of great music in all genres. The thing is, we own the volume control, not the record company... and radio and TV turn everything up to a consistent level anyway, making the whole exercise fairly pointless. Yep, I agree. Just two examples, I own all Morrissey and Bruce Springsteen albums and their later albums over the last ten years are slammed up to 11. I hear their old albums from the 80s and they're perfectly fine sound wise, but the new ones are too loud and it's most noticeable when you listen to it on headphones. |
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Post by davidjay on Sept 25, 2013 12:50:30 GMT -5
The Loudness War... started in the mid-90s and it's still ongoing and spoiling the sound quality of lot of great music in all genres. The thing is, we own the volume control, not the record company... and radio and TV turn everything up to a consistent level anyway, making the whole exercise fairly pointless. Yep, I agree. Just two examples, I own all Morrissey and Bruce Springsteen albums and their later albums over the last ten years are slammed up to 11. I hear their old albums from the 80s and they're perfectly fine sound wise, but the new ones are too loud and it's most noticeable when you listen to it on headphones. That is a real shame. Yes, they didn't have the technology to really push the levels before the mid 90s. What I find particularly annoying is when a classic album with great dynamics, like Nirvana's Nevermind, is reissued in a brickwalled edition. (I can't imagine anyone thought it was too quiet originally... and the original sounds great to these ears, especially when turned up). But the original CD is recorded at a fraction of the level that a more recent album like Death Magnetic is mastered at, for example.) The brickwalled version sounds better in some ways (fuller guitar sound, probably thanks to different eq choices) but the drums have lost a lot of the punch and drive that helped towards the piledriving impact of the original. With remasters it seems the new version becomes standard and the original eventually is no longer available. That's one reason why I prefer buying second hand CDs of classic music... often sounds better and is much cheaper  There are notable exceptions though, like the Beatles remasters from 2009 where they went easy on compression to great effect. So there's a choice there, but a lot of great music from the 90s onwards is only available in slammed versions. Perhaps in time audiophile labels like Mobile Fidelity will remaster some of the affected music. Sometimes vinyl versions are a better bet, as it's not physically possible to cut them at a comparable level to the CD. Not to derail the thread too much, but here are two comments on this that I found really insightful on the whole loudness war thing... Greg Calbi, mastering engineer Barry Diament - a beautifully written and finely argued essay on why the music industry should declare an end on the loudness wars. www.barrydiamentaudio.com/loudness.htm |
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Post by Shockmaster on Oct 7, 2013 2:58:43 GMT -5
Commercialisation of the plumb.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2013 9:19:13 GMT -5
matt. I love ya and miss these threads .....but I've said this since it came out ! BHN. IS NOT A MISTAKE or the big elephant. Any band with tunes Ion a lp like stand by me , don't go away , AATW, fade in/ out , DYKWIM. Is a great effort , there cancelled tours and mistake of not releasing don't go always a single , may be a mistake , but the lp was a great follow up , a lot better than some other bands after them. ,, yea it was bloated , but it had some great tunes , there attitude in America was there. Biggest mistake They did not realize Americans didn't get there humour . And radio plus fans did not appreciate cancelled gigs and missed interviews ...( this leading to little airplay ) that was there mistake IMO. Not the lp . Great fucking thread btw
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Post by Headmaster on Oct 7, 2013 9:41:29 GMT -5
Agree with the loudness war, some albums of the mid noughties are terrible to listen to, but nowadys it seems that the mixers are dealing well with the loudness than before, they are creating better sounding albums even with the loudness, like the new Arctic Monkeys album, but still it would be much better without the loudnes.
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Post by matt on Oct 7, 2013 17:23:26 GMT -5
matt. I love ya and miss these threads .....but I've said this since it came out ! BHN. IS NOT A MISTAKE or the big elephant. Any band with tunes Ion a lp like stand by me , don't go away , AATW, fade in/ out , DYKWIM. Is a great effort , there cancelled tours and mistake of not releasing don't go always a single , may be a mistake , but the lp was a great follow up , a lot better than some other bands after them. ,, yea it was bloated , but it had some great tunes , there attitude in America was there. Biggest mistake They did not realize Americans didn't get there humour . And radio plus fans did not appreciate cancelled gigs and missed interviews ...( this leading to little airplay ) that was there mistake IMO. Not the lp . Great fucking thread btw Cheers for that post, I don't actually think BHN is a bad album. It's good, but with the high standards set before maybe a bit more time would have helped? Perhaps going in a new direction - Noel did that song with the Chemical Brothers and that may have sustained their popularity into the noughties. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2013 17:36:03 GMT -5
matt. I love ya and miss these threads .....but I've said this since it came out ! BHN. IS NOT A MISTAKE or the big elephant. Any band with tunes Ion a lp like stand by me , don't go away , AATW, fade in/ out , DYKWIM. Is a great effort , there cancelled tours and mistake of not releasing don't go always a single , may be a mistake , but the lp was a great follow up , a lot better than some other bands after them. ,, yea it was bloated , but it had some great tunes , there attitude in America was there. Biggest mistake They did not realize Americans didn't get there humour . And radio plus fans did not appreciate cancelled gigs and missed interviews ...( this leading to little airplay ) that was there mistake IMO. Not the lp . Great fucking thread btw Cheers for that post, I don't actually think BHN is a bad album. It's good, but with the high standards set before maybe a bit more time would have helped? Perhaps going in a new direction - Noel did that song with the Chemical Brothers and that may have sustained their popularity into the noughties. Bit more probably would have been best .. But in there defense they went the way of the greats , so many great bands like zep came out guns blazing and produced lps in rapid fire , not positive but I believe zep 1 68 2 69 ( recorded on road ) and 3 70 -71 ? But you make a good point my friend |
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