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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2013 16:21:02 GMT -5
Of course this purely speculative, but what lyrics do you think were possibly written in reference to Liam/oasis?
'Trying to walk in my shoes
But they don't belong to you'
(EVERYBODY'S ON THE RUN)
'I still feel the pain
I carried with me for years' (constant arguing with liam / broken ribs from that attack during an oasis performance.)
(ALONE ON THE ROPE)
One day at a time, I'm hiding from the razor blade (possible reference to leaving oasis/morning glory?, chained to the mirror and the razor blade?)
(DREAM ON)
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Post by defmaybe00 on Jul 27, 2013 16:25:38 GMT -5
I've always tought TDOYAM is about Liam...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2013 16:38:24 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2013 17:22:13 GMT -5
Interesting that you mentioned the line from Dream On as the razor blade line in Morning Glory referenced taking cocaine (as razors were often used to separate Cocaine into lines on mirrors) and if Noel was saying he was hiding from it a day at a time this could be referencing overcoming the addiction cold turkey, a little like the "begged my doctor for one more line" lyric from The Importance of Being Idle. Probably not but an interesting lyric all the same.
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Post by discworld on Jul 27, 2013 21:17:51 GMT -5
It is the same playlist for NoelGallagherVEVO.
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Post by rebus on Jul 28, 2013 5:14:54 GMT -5
Noel explicitly said TDOYAM is about his wife, not Liam.
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Post by His Royal Noelness on Jul 28, 2013 6:04:28 GMT -5
I honestly believe that lyrically, Liam provides little to no inspiration for Noel.
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Post by LlAM on Jul 28, 2013 13:16:07 GMT -5
I honestly believe that lyrically, Liam provides little to no inspiration for Noel. Yeah, I doubt he loses sleep over Liam. |
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Post by tomlivesforever on Jul 28, 2013 15:31:27 GMT -5
Maybe not his solo stuff but Wonderwall is definitely Noel talking to Liam.
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Post by cosmos on Sept 3, 2013 10:54:29 GMT -5
I don´t think Noel would talk of personal issues on his songs, especially issues related to Liam. He is not that kind of writer. His lyrics are not even rich in hidding meanings and that sort of things, all Be here now songs are quite random lyrics with no purpose but to fill melody. Noel writes of certain topics: a need of leaving it all behind (Half the world away, Go let it out, Slide Away, The death of you...), looking for a better place (DLBIA, AATW, RARS), love songs but not too personal or passionate (Wonderwall, SIL), the importance of being yourself and relying on yourself (Supersonic, RWI). I´m not saying that is bad, people can relate to Oasis-Noel songs in many ways, most of them not intended by the author. Liam is more open in that matter, you can tell easily. Maybe because Liam is so influenced by the Lennon style of personal confession songs. There was a time when Noel would write explicitly about personal stuff and that was during the SOTSOG period. You can tell Let´s all make believe is related to Bonehead and Guigsy leaving the band, Gas panic being another good example.
Is there any thread about the meaning of songs or how people understand the songs?
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Post by cigarsinhell on Sept 7, 2013 2:58:23 GMT -5
By now Noel has probably forgotten he ever had a younger brother.
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Post by jamestoney on Sept 7, 2013 8:44:36 GMT -5
Nothing Noel writes is about Liam. Anybody who thinks that any lyrics Noel writes are about Liam needs a cold hard dose of reality.
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Post by nataliemckinney on Sept 7, 2013 8:57:02 GMT -5
I think its very easy to surmise that on the surface, some of the lyrics and the song titles are about Liam. Before I heard TDOYAM I thought it would be about Liam too.
If writing lyrics is anything like writing a book, my guess is that Noel draws inspiration from multiple sources, and that there are elements of a lot of people and experiences in his lyrics. Much like the characters in my book are easy, on the surface, to say that the main character is me, the main male character is my husband, the best friend is my best friend, etc. Absolutely there are elements of me in my main character. There are also elements of my husband, my parents, my family and friends in her also. Each character is a mix of many people, not one person in particular. (Yes, even the two rock stars who may heavily remind you of someone we all know and love... they've got some mixed elements of other people as well.)
So to say that a song is about or is not about someone, only Noel truly knows where the song came from or what it's "about". I believe there are many inspirations and ideas for his songs. I'd say it's highly improbable that there aren't elements of Liam in Noel's songs. I don't think he uses him as a regular source of inspiration, but I'm sure Liam's there.
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Post by deanoward on Nov 6, 2013 5:16:24 GMT -5
if any song out of Noel's is about Liam i've always thought it was "Magic Pie", epsiecally with the line "he is just a child with nothing to lose but his mind"
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Post by joladella on Nov 6, 2013 14:37:24 GMT -5
The first line of "Magic Pie" is about Liam, as Noel once said, the one about the extraordinary guy never having an ordinary day.
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Post by spaneli on Nov 6, 2013 15:27:03 GMT -5
Any one of Noel's songs can be attributed to him talking to Liam, then again anyone of them could be attributed to death, life, love, regret etc. What makes Noel successful is the fact that his songs can assume these different tropes.
Any lyric or set of lyrics can be interpreted in any facet. It depends on the person looking on it.
I believe there are some things in Noel's lyrics which are personal. They may just be a subconscious response. It's impossible to continually write songs, over 100 songs for Noel, and not refer to your personal life or the people around you in them. However, I think it's untenable to attribute specific passages or lyrics to Liam. Because of the allusiveness of Noel's lyrics, it would literally be like throwing darts at a dart board with the targets covered up.
No one can say without a doubt that a song is addressed to Liam, except Noel.
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Post by Heebeejeebies on Jan 23, 2014 0:39:18 GMT -5
I honestly believe that lyrically, Liam provides little to no inspiration for Noel. Then you haven't really been paying attention. If anyone besides Noel is in a position to say whether any of Noel's songs are about Liam, I think it's Liam, and here is what he says: Continuing, Liam Gallagher insisted that he was ready for people to begin reading their own theories into his work. "Yeah man, without a doubt. I wouldn’t have put it out unless… If people ask me a question, they’re always gonna get a fuckin’ honest answer. But I don’t care anyway; he’s been writing songs about me all his fuckin’ life."www.clashmusic.com/news/liam-gallagher-opens-up-about-relationship-with-noel-gallagherNME: " Are you expecting a response song from him?
Our Kid has been writing response songs to me for the past fucking 20 years. He's built a career out of it. I'd go back as far as the early Oasis songs, mate." If Liam thinks Noel's songs are often written about/to him, I'm going to trust that assessment, as he knows the man better than anyone else could. And considering how terrible they are at talking/working out problems directly, it would make sense for Noel to try to communicate with Liam via song, a medium where he is actually eloquent. |
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Post by His Royal Noelness on Jan 23, 2014 4:50:13 GMT -5
I honestly believe that lyrically, Liam provides little to no inspiration for Noel. Then you haven't really been paying attention. If anyone besides Noel is in a position to say whether any of Noel's songs are about Liam, I think it's Liam, and here is what he says: Continuing, Liam Gallagher insisted that he was ready for people to begin reading their own theories into his work. "Yeah man, without a doubt. I wouldn’t have put it out unless… If people ask me a question, they’re always gonna get a fuckin’ honest answer. But I don’t care anyway; he’s been writing songs about me all his fuckin’ life."www.clashmusic.com/news/liam-gallagher-opens-up-about-relationship-with-noel-gallagherNME: " Are you expecting a response song from him?
Our Kid has been writing response songs to me for the past fucking 20 years. He's built a career out of it. I'd go back as far as the early Oasis songs, mate." If Liam thinks Noel's songs are often written about/to him, I'm going to trust that assessment, as he knows the man better than anyone else could. And considering how terrible they are at talking/working out problems directly, it would make sense for Noel to try to communicate with Liam via song, a medium where he is actually eloquent. Liam Gallagher thinks the sun rises every morning because of Liam Gallagher. |
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Post by Boy with the Blues on Jan 23, 2014 8:14:01 GMT -5
Maybe not his solo stuff but Wonderwall is definitely Noel talking to Liam. Erm I don't think it is, it was originally about his then wife Meg Matthews, and then said it was about an imaginary friend after he divorced her. |
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Post by nsb86 on Jan 23, 2014 16:27:30 GMT -5
Maybe not his solo stuff but Wonderwall is definitely Noel talking to Liam. Erm I don't think it is, it was originally about his then wife Meg Matthews, and then said it was about an imaginary friend after he divorced her. Apparently he was playing Wonderwall before he even met Meg, therefore can't be about her. Has anyone actually got a bootleg and/or demo from then to see if this is true or is it just Noel saving face? |
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Post by Boy with the Blues on Jan 24, 2014 8:20:57 GMT -5
Erm I don't think it is, it was originally about his then wife Meg Matthews, and then said it was about an imaginary friend after he divorced her. Apparently he was playing Wonderwall before he even met Meg, therefore can't be about her. Has anyone actually got a bootleg and/or demo from then to see if this is true or is it just Noel saving face? I was wrong about Meg Matthews it seems but right about it being an imaginary friend. A quote from Noel in Q magazine on the 1001 best songs ever, where Wonderwall was included: "The meaning of that song was taken away from me by the media who jumped on it. And how do you tell your Mrs. it's not about her once she's read it is? It's about an imaginary friend who's going to come and save you from yourself." |
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Post by joladella on Jan 24, 2014 10:28:08 GMT -5
I don't think it means anything, but I recently had an interesting experience, when I had my Oasis & Co. Playlist on shuffle. First it gave me "Guess God thinks I'm Abel" with, of course, the line about finding rainbows and immediately afterwards it was Noel's "Aka ... what a life!" where for the first time I noticed the line "Keep on chasing down that rainbow". I was literally like "What did you just sing?!"
A coincidence of course and we know they use similar mind pictures. But I thought it quite funny, the songs with their rainbows coming in that order.
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Post by nsb86 on Jan 24, 2014 11:35:15 GMT -5
I don't think it means anything, but I recently had an interesting experience, when I had my Oasis & Co. Playlist on shuffle. First it gave me "Guess God thinks I'm Abel" with, of course, the line about finding rainbows and immediately afterwards it was Noel's "Aka ... what a life!" where for the first time I noticed the line "Keep on chasing down that rainbow". I was literally like "What did you just sing?!" A coincidence of course and we know they use similar mind pictures. But I thought it quite funny, the songs with their rainbows coming in that order. A bit like "hold on" in SCYHO and the "hold on's" in EOTR. Another similarity I picked up is Beady Eye, Off at the Next Exit there is a line that goes "what you gonna do when the rain comes in" which always reminds me of All Around the World "what you gonna do when eyeballs come falling down" but that may just be me |
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Post by nsb86 on Jan 24, 2014 11:35:27 GMT -5
I don't think it means anything, but I recently had an interesting experience, when I had my Oasis & Co. Playlist on shuffle. First it gave me "Guess God thinks I'm Abel" with, of course, the line about finding rainbows and immediately afterwards it was Noel's "Aka ... what a life!" where for the first time I noticed the line "Keep on chasing down that rainbow". I was literally like "What did you just sing?!" A coincidence of course and we know they use similar mind pictures. But I thought it quite funny, the songs with their rainbows coming in that order. A bit like "hold on" in SCYHO and the "hold on's" in EOTR. Another similarity I picked up is Beady Eye, Off at the Next Exit there is a line that goes "what you gonna do when the rain comes in" which always reminds me of All Around the World "what you gonna do when eyeballs come falling down" but that may just be me |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2014 18:39:36 GMT -5
I've noticed that Beady Eye say 'come on' an awful lot :/
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