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Post by mancityblues on Jan 19, 2006 15:58:19 GMT -5
We all like them both. Obviously great guys personally.
I think they've helped re-energize the bruvvas to an extent, but in the long run, might they make Noel (who is most responsible for the massive success of the group IMHO) lazy when it comes to churning out great songs? Noel is writing less and less, and that's not a good thing.
The other side tho is that Noel would've gotten lazy anyway, and Gem and Andy have helped pick up the slack by contributing songs and helping Liam write some good ones as well.
And they're great musicians (along with Zak) and their live shows are great ... tho Noel now takes less of a role live (and shows less bravado), which is a bit disappointing. But that might just be a function of getting old ... and getting off the drugs.
There is no right answer, but my conclusion is that Noel needs to get his arse together and start writing some real rock songs again.
Not copying what he did in the past, but something that is harder and edgier than the current softer, acoustic stuff.
I do love the new album and it's refreshing and great to listen to, but I truly long for some over-the-top speaker-blowing BHN epics.
I think at some point they'll get back to it, but not anytime soon. Noel is apparently going threw an "artistic" phase where he wants to be more like Dylan than Hendrix ... which I guess is still cool, just not always my cup of tea.
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Post by Meltdown on Jan 19, 2006 16:42:46 GMT -5
Good points. I think too that Andy and Gem have helped a lot when they joined to the band. Bringing new energy and their own songs too, which have been very good.
About writing..I guess that Noel will be writing more acoustic and ballad stuff in the future and other Lads will be writing more rockier tunes. But still, you never know what kind of songs they will be writing? It´s all about inspirations and ideas?
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Post by lee on Jan 19, 2006 17:19:58 GMT -5
Andy Bell and Gem are proper talented lads, Turn Up The Sun, written by Andy is one of Oasis classics, i'm a bit biased tho as i'm an old Ride fan!!
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Post by globe on Jan 19, 2006 18:12:56 GMT -5
I do love the new album and it's refreshing and great to listen to, but I truly long for some over-the-top speaker-blowing BHN epics if oasis record another album which sounds anything like BHN, they are finished in the UK. simple as that. |
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Post by tezza202 on Jan 19, 2006 18:18:28 GMT -5
I do love the new album and it's refreshing and great to listen to, but I truly long for some over-the-top speaker-blowing BHN epics if oasis record another album which sounds anything like BHN, they are finished in the UK. simple as that. I love BHN, don't see why it gets 'slagged' off so much  |
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Post by globe on Jan 19, 2006 18:19:06 GMT -5
if oasis record another album which sounds anything like BHN, they are finished in the UK. simple as that. I love BHN, don't see why it gets 'slagged' off so much coz its shit ;D |
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Post by tezza202 on Jan 19, 2006 19:43:28 GMT -5
Shit hot more like! ;D
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Post by mancityblues on Jan 19, 2006 20:11:11 GMT -5
TUTS is a great song. Especially live. I'm not saying they aren't talented, but Noel is the man. At least in my mind.
BHN is slagged b/c at the time it came out, the boys were acting shite to the press. They were out of control. And then when the UK press slagged it off, Noel started to buy into the criticism and echo it. Then all the fans joined in. I prefer DM and WTSMG, but I also enjoy BHN. I wasn't saying its their best work.
Liam loves BHN and doesn't like DM (because of his voice on it). So it goes to show how subjective everything is.
Noel refusing to play any BHN stuff live also fuels fans' opinions. It's ridiculous.
I think WTSMG is the best of the three. A good combo of the two sounds. And some of the stuff on Masterplan is amazing. Their b-sides are legendary.
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Post by mimmihopps on Jan 20, 2006 1:35:20 GMT -5
BHN debate again...  Andy and Gem are both very talented, great guitar players and songwriters. I love BHN as much as the other albums, but what would have happend with Oasis if those 2 guys werent joined the band in 1999? |
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Post by lyla on Jan 20, 2006 5:12:39 GMT -5
if oasis record another album which sounds anything like BHN, they are finished in the UK. simple as that. I love BHN, don't see why it gets 'slagged' off so much i like it just for the fact that no oasis album since has the same audacity and attitude. dbtt is prolly 'better' but it just isnt in your face in the way oasis was so fuckin good at. thats my thing about gem and andy and this whole oasis mk II - i think they are talented msuicians, better than bonehead and guigsy, and maybe its not cos of them but that the gallaghers have softened a bit....but its now this professional band. you know, some of that spirit is lost. lol noel will never be like dylan so he should forget it =P id rather himn try to do hendrix i agree that cos noel has refused to play bhn stuff live and slags it off himslef he's made even more ppl buy into the whole 'bhn is shit' movement. everyone complains of the 'excess' on that album, yeah? not as many people copmplain about the actual tunes themselves, so he could always (and god forbid this might take a little bit of time to figure out -.-) cut back on some of the guitar parts and it would sound fantastic live. because essentially bhn has some REALLY GOOD SONGS! do you know what i mean, girl in the dirty shirt, stand by me, dont go away...i love i hope i think i know, be here now is a catchy little song. just to rework them a little, shorten some of the songs....pfft, you know, just to prove that perhaps ego and cocaine bloated the album then, it doesnt mean it wasnt good |
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Post by chocolate st*rfish on Jan 20, 2006 6:08:57 GMT -5
if oasis record another album which sounds anything like BHN, they are finished. which would have been the case if bonehead and guigs didnt leave. the album after SOTSOG wouldnt have sounded sonicly like BHN but progression was impossible with just 2 talented musicians out of 5 in a band.... that being alan and noel of course |
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Post by mancityblues on Jan 20, 2006 15:51:02 GMT -5
Nothing will finish Oasis. They've done as much damage to themselves musically as they possibly could do. Thanks to the first two albums, plus Masterplan, their legacy will always be assured.
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Post by lyla on Jan 21, 2006 3:06:30 GMT -5
Nothing will finish Oasis. They've done as much damage to themselves musically as they possibly could do. Thanks to the first two albums, plus Masterplan, their legacy will always be assured. you are right there. their legacy is set - i think we're referring to waht would 'finish' oasis as in interest for their new material. |
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Post by supersonic1983 on Jan 22, 2006 2:13:42 GMT -5
Two stupid points being raised here.
Gem and Andy are fucking great musicians and that can only help a band (except for when they contribute average B-sides).
Be Here Now is a fucking great album, and I challenge anyone here to write an album that good when you're coked up to your eyeballs.
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Post by Moorish on Jan 23, 2006 5:50:19 GMT -5
BHN was VERY positively reviewed when first released. It was only after the fact that everyone realised it was completely over the top and suffocated the songs. Noel will NEVER pit out another album like BHN because he is so stung by his own failure with it, so everyone who keeps hoping for another BHN need to get over themselves as much as everyone else who keep wishing for another DM or MG. The new material is DIFFERENT. It's gonna be its own thing.
Gem and Andy are a MASSIVE boon to Oasis. Noel is a lazy fucker most of the time. If Gem, Andy (and Liam, let's not forget, he writes lots of tunes as well nowadays) suddenly stopped contributing, Noel would not magically start writing 50 songs a day or something to compensate. He would carry on at the same pace or slower and we'd have an even bigger gap in between records.
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Post by His Royal Majesty Revolver on Jan 25, 2006 18:39:04 GMT -5
WEll, according to your argument you're just dismissing Liam's role. What do you make of him? Is he making Noel's contributions less significant?
And honestly, saying that if they recorded something akin to BHN that they'd be finished is nonsense. Look at SOTSOG.. cosiderably weaker. And their following is different now. So there wouldn't be a crushed populus out there ranting about how awful it is
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