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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Dec 23, 2005 14:54:18 GMT -5
Great tunes, and i mean GREAT FUCKIN TUNES, such as: Whatever, Who Put the Weight of the World on my Shoulder, Sister Lover, You've Got The Heart of a Star, Masterplan, Sad Song, Idler's Dream (if it was developed further), Let's All Make Believe, Full On didnt make it on to any albums...
pisses me off so much....think about how much bigger the lads would be right now...those are quality songs, and they kick the crap out of shite like PYMWYMI, I can see a Liar, Little James, I Hope I think I know etc....
WHY did Noel think these songs suck...they clearly dont....thats the only thing that sucks about Oasis--their fuckin good B-Sides...which is a bit of a paradox, but still...its dissapointing that these potential songs just faded away
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Post by PolskaBro1824 on Dec 23, 2005 15:35:03 GMT -5
I agree with almost every detail Noel put into choosing songs for Albums/Singles. Whatever was just as "officially released" as any album single you could say. And the song is overrated. I've never heard anybody say that about 'Whatever' but I am going to come out and say it anyways, it is overrated (still good though  . Put Yer Money Where Yer Mouth Is and I Can See A Liar are in fact just decent tracks, but they were completely fitting with the album, I think that was the thought behind including them on the album. For the record, I know Little James is one of the most popular "shouldnt be on an album" tracks, but its recently grown on me much. I'm considering playing it at a gig or something?... Cheers |
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Post by drunken guitar pop on Dec 23, 2005 16:05:42 GMT -5
Whatever doesn't jump to mind when I think of Oasis, but that's because to hear it I have to take out a CD with that being the only song I can't hear otherwise. So I don't know how successful it could've been.
Idlers Dream was fine as it was. Simplicity was the point of it.
YGTHOAS was good for one listen every now and then.
I honestly didn't like WPTWOTWOMS. Sounded a bit like a half hearted Morrissey takeoff.
Sister Lover, good but too overdone.
PYMWYMI, just a good song with bad production. I don't know why people hate it.
Noel probably thought he'd have it in him forever. Make a few changes to the Masterplan album and you might have something closer to what people would have accepted in Be Here Now.
But, hindsight is 20/20.
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Post by wassis on Dec 23, 2005 18:40:40 GMT -5
Live4evr, I see what you mean, it is disappointing having some below average tracks on albums and then some utterly brilliant ones as b-sides: I think PYMWYMI & ICSAL are very similar and fairly average tracks, whereas 'Carry Us All' is totally magnificent.
But I agree with PolskaBro1824 when he says "Put Yer Money Where Yer Mouth Is and I Can See A Liar ... were completely fitting with the album, I think that was the thought behind including them on the album." This has to be a factor.
However, in the broader picture, this kind of thing really isn't going to be an issue for the hardcore fans - I'm going to keep on buying all the singles so I'll always get to hear everything, no matter where each song appears. It's only annoying when you're trying to prove to crap people how great Oasis are and they're only going to hear the album - they're the ones that are going to miss out on all the excellent b-sides, not us.
In the interview Noel did with Bart from 3FM, he talks about 'The Masterplan' not making it onto the album, and he says 'you do kind of get a perverse pleasure out of it - of being able to say - we are that fucking good that TM is only a b-side' - I mean, how many times is it used as an example of their brilliance? I think Noel likes it that way to some extent.
Don't you have that thing where when a song is a rare b-side it has added value? I mean, a good song is a good song, but if 'Talk Tonight' was an album track it wouldn't seem as much of a hidden gem to me. Likewise, if PYMWYMI were a b-side, it would seem better than it is.
Also a lot of the great b-sides are Noel acoustics, and if they went putting lots of tracks like WPTWOTWOMS on their records, Oasis would be different; there would be less for Liam to sing for a start, and you wouldn't get the thrill of putting TUTS or Lyla on really loud & rockin' out to it.
Don't you reckon that it's because the b-sides are so good that their singles chart so highly? It's interesting to note that on the whole, all the great tracks made it onto DBTT and the b-sides are average - maybe there's a reversal happening? Actually, I reckon it's because Noel is saving a lot of his new acoustics for his solo career...
All of this is reasoning of course, I do see what you mean......
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Post by NoelandMeMay29 on Dec 23, 2005 19:43:47 GMT -5
I Hope, I Think, I Know rocks!!!
Just my 2 cents.
LAMB should have been a single.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Dec 24, 2005 1:09:54 GMT -5
wasis...v good response... i agree with your points, but it is so frustrating...my friend and i have this battle: he likes U2, i like Oasis... i HATE U2, he says he hates Oasis, but he likes the usuals: Wonderwall, DLBIA, Champagne Supernova, Live Forever so i tell him to borrow my Master Plan CD, boasting to him that Oasis are just that good to have a colleciton of B-sides for sale that are better then most other bands top songs....he tells me that he doesnt want to listen to b-sides... arrrrg the frustration!! whatever, you're right--its their loss....Oasis WILL go down as the best band ever, even if the yanks will never recognize it.... If Oasis 'played the game' with the media, they would be popular...but thats what makes this band special--they say and do what they want, when they want with an amazing swager about them....sure Noel is arrogant, but its a different type of arrogance than Bono's, who is well annoying i think rant over before i waste more of your and my time happy holidays (yanks want that to be PC too, no merry christmas or whatever  : |
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Post by Clint on Dec 24, 2005 13:50:54 GMT -5
I don't care about Oasis being big.
I just care about Oasis
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Post by stevecollins on Dec 24, 2005 13:59:19 GMT -5
theres other 'shouldnt have been on an album' tracks than little james little james is fucking mega  |
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Post by feckarse on Dec 24, 2005 16:08:25 GMT -5
Whatever never made it onto Definitely Maybe due to Neil Innes threatening to sue (as it is rather similar to How Sweet To Be An Idiot), demanding 14% of album sales
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Post by malvin1938 on Dec 27, 2005 20:09:21 GMT -5
yeah me too
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Post by giggergrl on Dec 27, 2005 22:32:48 GMT -5
Tam typing here... I thought that cos singles are still very popular in the UK .. that Noel didn't want complete shite on the B-sides.. he just does what he wants to do at any particular moment I think.. as far as oasis not "breaking the US"- fcuk that... besides oasis' great MUSIC, hair and attitude... they just don't try TOO hard, this sets them apart from most other bands and makes them even more appealing to anyone who "gets them.." or wants to... dont ever expect the USA common folk (haha) to understand Liam... it's not a realistic expectation and Noel does not suck corporate C*CK... jesus now I sound like a fucking guy on this forum.. cheers...  |
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Post by drunken guitar pop on Dec 27, 2005 23:59:38 GMT -5
Whatever never made it onto Definitely Maybe due to Neil Innes threatening to sue (as it is rather similar to How Sweet To Be An Idiot), demanding 14% of album sales Forgot about there being financial issues for not including Whatever. But I thought Noel said it was because they couldn't afford an orchestra on time. |
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Post by lettherebecheese on Dec 29, 2005 5:30:51 GMT -5
Whatever never made it onto Definitely Maybe due to Neil Innes threatening to sue (as it is rather similar to How Sweet To Be An Idiot), demanding 14% of album sales Forgot about there being financial issues for not including Whatever. But I thought Noel said it was because they couldn't afford an orchestra on time. yeah! thats what i heard too - probably a bit of both!! oh yeah - i hop i think... is awesome, along with every track from bhn!!!! |
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