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Post by Clint on Dec 23, 2005 0:59:25 GMT -5
Liam's voice isn't that good now. We all know it. He sounds pretty shitty compared to the old days. He can't hold a tune that long. He can't hit high notes. It cracks on My Generation. He runs out of breath. He can't say MAYBEHHHH. He can't even sing some old songs that he was amazing at. And so on...
Due to his vocal style, and due to his drinking/smoking habits, his voice has been getting harmed more and more since Oasis have been around. It sounds the same for a lot of songs. hat and he's getting older. Definitely Maybe it was his young point. Very young sounding. Morning Glory he was singing technically good, but I know that a good amount of people still love his definitely maybe voice. Be Here Now he got technically worse. This was a shock to some people but it still sounded cool and it wasn't that bad, just a loss of range. It was rhaspier but it worked. Did some amazing gigs. Gmex. Incredible. It was getting bad during the SOTSOG years, but he still pulled off some gigs. Some demos sounded like shit. He didnt sing as much on the record.
It's been worst HC/DBTT. It's rare that his voice blows the crowd away. It's awesome being at an Oasis concert. But it'd be ten times better if it sounded like it use to.
Liam's voice has been getting technically bad, and is just sounding meh. It's still good in the studio, but the fact that he can't pull anything absolutely mind blowing live upsets me.
But what do Noel and Liam think?
Seriously. Have they even said anything? I assume not since they wouldn't want to bring any attention to it. But honestly, I think Noel's really concerned. He's been very subtle about it. For example, if there's a concert where Liam's voice was really really great (its happened like twice on this tour where his voice was absolutely spot on). he'll praise the gig.
jonathan ross interviewed him and asked about liam's voice. Noel didn't really want to talk about it at all. He just sort of shrugged it off.
Liam just says he doesnt like his voice during the definitely maybe days.
But he has to know that was better then.
I don't know. They don't want to bring attention to it. What do you ponder they think of Liam's voice?
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Post by meaningofsoul on Dec 23, 2005 1:28:30 GMT -5
Hmmm. I'd agree. I just think it's something you just don't talk about publicly. And probably don't talk much about privately...because I bet it's a bit embarassing. It's like a coach who knows his quarterback is getting old/tired but won't say anything because that QB is a legend...I don't know where I'm going with this. Just think Bret Favre
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Post by wassis on Dec 23, 2005 19:02:50 GMT -5
Noel is so good at slagging Liam off but not when it's about something that will undermine himself or the band.
I actually think Liam's voice was worst on BHN - I can't listen to the record the whole way through because of it.
Rkidliam - is that really true about his stance damaging his vocal chords? How interesting. How tragic when that's his singing style. (Gorgeous pic of Andy by the way...)
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Post by CrimsonKing on Dec 23, 2005 22:54:47 GMT -5
I personally think that BHN had Liam's best vocals. Not too rough, not too high; just right. Oh, and I prefer his raspy vocals on Familiar to millions than his Definitely Maybe voice. Listen to Cigarettes and Alcohol on both records and you'll see what I mean. However I think songs like Up In The Sky sound fuckin cool with a high voice.
I don't think Liams voice will ever be the same again. It's a constant evolution, what with the wear and tear, the cigs, etc. All he can do now is try to keep it at this level and keep off his vices.
And I think it's really cool how Liam can only sing that way, even though he knows its making things worse. Kind of romantic actually.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Dec 24, 2005 1:22:30 GMT -5
i dont think it really matters
I dont want a perfect voice, if you will. Just like in footie, i dont want video replays, bc the perfect game would make the game borring
Liams voice is unsual when you consider other band's singers such as Chris Martins of Coldplay, for example...Liams voice, snarl, whine which non fans complains about, is what Oasis fans love.
the simple fact is that if we want a perfect singer, we have Noel....but we like the SHIIIIIIIIINE of Liams for the majority of the songs
now as for his changing voice...i dont mind it...it does get annoying cos you think Oasis are ageing, becoming bad etc...
no. they arnt. Liams voice is in constant transformation...which adds an even greater depth to Oasis. Their music is constantly changing as seen from album to album and it will be interesting to see if the songs will be based around Liams different voice.
Granted it may be dissapointing for live events. But it can also be exciting. I have about 5 live versions of Slide Away, they are all different, and i love all of them. By his different voice, we get a new experience. Stop basing everything on 1996, it would be damn borring if everything was the same. Why bother seeing Oasis for the 5th time live if everything always sounds the same.
Variation and change is not bad, it may take a while to get used to, but its not bad....
btw, i still need to see them live, im in philly, just missed them over the summer cos i was away...maybe next summer....i hope....
STAY MAD FER IT
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Post by drummert5 on Dec 24, 2005 1:48:19 GMT -5
I saw them twice on this tour, and his voice was actually better (apart from the worst version of Live Forever in history) the second time, which was in September. He's doing things differently this tour as far as his posture goes, and he's also singing in tune a lot more than he was at Glasto.
I don't know if you've all heard that soundboard version of Morning Glory from Boston in June, but track it down... THAT is the best his voice has sounded since GMEX.
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Post by tadas on Dec 24, 2005 1:54:15 GMT -5
i dont think it really matters I dont want a perfect voice, if you will. Just like in footie, i dont want video replays, bc the perfect game would make the game borring Liams voice is unsual when you consider other band's singers such as Chris Martins of Coldplay, for example...Liams voice, snarl, whine which non fans complains about, is what Oasis fans love. the simple fact is that if we want a perfect singer, we have Noel....but we like the SHIIIIIIIIINE of Liams for the majority of the songs now as for his changing voice...i dont mind it...it does get annoying cos you think Oasis are ageing, becoming bad etc... no. they arnt. Liams voice is in constant transformation...which adds an even greater depth to Oasis. Their music is constantly changing as seen from album to album and it will be interesting to see if the songs will be based around Liams different voice. Granted it may be dissapointing for live events. But it can also be exciting. I have about 5 live versions of Slide Away, they are all different, and i love all of them. By his different voice, we get a new experience. Stop basing everything on 1996, it would be damn borring if everything was the same. Why bother seeing Oasis for the 5th time live if everything always sounds the same. Variation and change is not bad, it may take a while to get used to, but its not bad.... btw, i still need to see them live, im in philly, just missed them over the summer cos i was away...maybe next summer....i hope.... STAY MAD FER IT I agree that Liams voice changes (who wouldnt) ... and i was kind of ... thinking that it is sad, and sometimes that its ok cuz no matter what i still love this band and i think i will always do (and make my children do too  ) ... anyway, I THINK WHAT U JUST WROTE IN HERE PRETTY MUCH NAILED IT ALL!!! i was, i am and i will always be MAD FER IT  amen!!! p.s. so excited that oasis' coming back to the states definetely going to indy and cinnci |
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Post by forestfan on Dec 24, 2005 2:50:46 GMT -5
liam voice is worse on heathen chemistry prob due down to the band being produces
owen morris for example would tell liam not to party when he had to record a vocal the next day. I remember reading this about cs.
wihout a producer there is no one there to tell liam not to get hammered.
as for the ever changing style.
Dm: i like it, its raw not over produced liams voice is wilder than subseqent records.
mg: he actually sings, rfather than belting it out way more acomplished.
bhn: people say its the best in terms of vocals.
(im gonna say liam peaked at 98/99) during SOtSOG recording.
Sotsg: same as bhn pretty much for me, Liam knows what he can and cant do and sticks to it well.
hc: worst, for me the decline is so big here. Every song is so whiny in his low voice
however songbird and scyho are bearable.
and as we dbtt is a return to form. voice is clearer.
i havent heard anything recently ie this decmber but apparently he sounded good in aussie.
as for the future... we will see next year with boy with the blues
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Post by Mr. Monobrow on Dec 24, 2005 6:45:31 GMT -5
actually, liam has a vocal coach who is trying to fix his vocal chords, Says who? I remember seeing a transcript of some article which said he was seeing a vocal coach, however, this was proven to be totally fabricated. As for Gallagher quotes, both of them have briefly commented on it in public. Liam said a couple of years ago, he didn't sing some older songs because "I'm not 21 any more". So he's aware of a lack of range at least. Noel was also quoted in saying Liam has a "voice like a tugboat". |
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Post by Poshbird05 on Dec 24, 2005 10:58:24 GMT -5
I'd have to agree with you somewhat I kinda liked his voice around SOTSOG era, but when I saw them in Philly his voice was fine at least I couldn't complane, but you're right if it was the same as back in the day then it would have been fucking MEGA, and if Festival Pier had a roof it would a blown it off!
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Post by Clint on Dec 24, 2005 13:49:43 GMT -5
If Liam didn't fuck up his voice wit hhis stance and cigs and such, I think it still would have evolved and been better than it is now.
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Post by Moorish on Dec 27, 2005 8:27:13 GMT -5
For me, (WTS)MG? and BHN was when his voice was at it's peak. I don't get how people can say his voice was going on BHN - listen to Fade In-Out and tell me that isn't the dogs bollocks of a vocal.
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Post by doyle on Dec 27, 2005 19:46:27 GMT -5
whenever i think of liam's changing voice, i always think of robert plant. There was a point somewhere between 72 and 73 where his voice basically lets out. on over the hills and far away he completely changes the vocals so that the high notes are pretty much replaced with their inverses. It's really sad to listen to, especially when you know how good that first, "Many times i've loved" is when it's high and loud. The change in vocals changed the force of the song... sorry slight thread jack
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Post by Meltdown on Dec 28, 2005 12:47:01 GMT -5
actually, liam has a vocal coach who is trying to fix his vocal chords, Says who? I remember seeing a transcript of some article which said he was seeing a vocal coach, however, this was proven to be totally fabricated. As for Gallagher quotes, both of them have briefly commented on it in public. Liam said a couple of years ago, he didn't sing some older songs because "I'm not 21 any more". So he's aware of a lack of range at least. Noel was also quoted in saying Liam has a "voice like a tugboat". I think you´re right. He doesn´t have vocal coach, but should he have someone? Because he certainly knows too that there´s something wrong. But another question is that, would it help at all? Or would he need some surgery for his throat? Or is he too pride to admit that he would need some help. Old days have gone and we have to accept it. But I still love his voice. No matter what. |
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Post by stevecollins on Dec 29, 2005 18:17:46 GMT -5
yeah maybe a coach or getting it looked at would be a good step in fixing the problem, its not a major problem yet but it could get worse.
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Post by Nyron Nosworthy on Jan 1, 2006 20:32:49 GMT -5
For me, Knebworth was his peak. The version of Slide Away on there is tre-fucking-mendous.
I like it now though. Theres more of a snarl than ever before, especially on songs like Turn up the Sun, and its improved no end on Glasto, which was shocking.
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Post by LuckyJim on Jan 3, 2006 17:22:43 GMT -5
I do not think Liam's voice is as strong as it used to be, but it's not the studio recordings that make me think he's lost it — it's the live stuff I've heard. I haven't seen Oasis on this tour yet (supposedly, they'll be in my neck of the woods in March '06), but if that live version of "Rock N' Roll Star" from the "Let There Be Love" single is anything to go by… ugh. It starts off cool; the band is tight, they're crankin' it out, and then Liam comes in… BLAAUUGGHHH!Good God, I can hear better renditions on karoke night at the local bar. He doesn't even sound like he's singing the same song as the rest of the band.
I understand tours take their toll on singer's voices, (and I'll also concede that if you were there, the off vocals sort of get lost in the mix). I also understand that Liam "isn't 21 anymore," but that's the damn point, isn't it? You're not 21, so don't drink and smoke and carry on as if you were, and then jump up on stage and expect youthful enthusiasm and rock n' roll attitude to pull you through. I think it's arrogance on Liam's part. He probably thinks he's too rock n' roll for a vocal coach, but the truth of the matter is, a vocal coach could help him preserve the voice he has, so that maybe he could hit some of those high notes he can't hit on stage anymore — and really, the high notes aren't all that high in Oasis songs.
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Post by carlm on Jan 5, 2006 12:16:49 GMT -5
Personally, I think his voice is absolutely perfect for My Generation. It's as if the song was made for him.
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