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Post by Shockmaster on Apr 29, 2013 8:37:39 GMT -5
all this "single material" shit. as long as you like it it doesn't matter if this is a single or not. what do you guys expect? both songs are far better than anything on DGSS, and i'm really looking forward to the album. might be the best produced gallagher album ever. and hell let's face it. BE won't change the world anyway. i'm a happy man now and i can see myself listening to the album in the sun while drinking beers or smoking stuff Four Letter Word, Wigwam and even Bring The Light are better imo... In fact, they whole album is better than Flick Of The Bean...
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Post by wooboos on Apr 29, 2013 8:39:05 GMT -5
People seem to love the production, and so do I - but the songwriting isn't really any better than on DGSS, is it? The chorus is pretty simple, there is little melodic variation in it all...dunno, I definitely like the song, but it's not amazing. Guess it will grow on me though - I hated BTL with a passion at first, ended up really liking it. pretty much agree with this. I think for the most part i like the song, if it wasnt to the superb production it would sounds VERY much like a DGSS tune. reading the Q track guide, i am probably looking forward to Soul Love, Ballroom Figured and start anew the most
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Post by crossfire on Apr 29, 2013 8:40:50 GMT -5
Sorry don't like it at all, productions great but that's it. Sorry.
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Post by His Royal Noelness on Apr 29, 2013 8:41:05 GMT -5
Vocals are too nasaly for my liking especially the verses. Lyrics are crap (Don't give me the toad crap because this is an actual single, the toad song is an unreleased song that will probably never be used for anything). SO when they say experimental they mean they just threw horns on everything and played one song backwards... wow....
Better than FOTF but still meh. I really hope this isn't an indication of the album because if it is then it's strike two from Beady Eye for me.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Apr 29, 2013 8:55:39 GMT -5
At this point in time I like Flick of The Finger the best out of all the tunes we have heard. Something about that brass section. Tons of swagger and I love the attitude of the song. The production created by Dave Sitek has been what I pictured in my mind and I am very excited to hear more, especially after reading the info from the Q magazine interview.
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Post by heathenglory on Apr 29, 2013 8:57:21 GMT -5
So, I heard the 30sec preview clip and liked that it sounded 'different' and was wondering what we were in for. After first listen of the whole song I thought WTF and wasn't impressed, however I stuck it on repeat and tried to listen without comparing it to DGSS. I now have to say I love it, especially after a minute and half when that 'come on' bit kicks in which builds a little then drops back to the drums again. Vocally I think Liam sounds great, and for those around in the latter Oasis days when he had resorted to shouting the songs would probably agree. Lyrically it's nonsense but does that really matter and its not something that's entirely new either, from Noel singing about his Magic Pie to Hung In a Bad Place, does the lack of deep and meaningful lyrics make a song bad? Chart wise it ain't going to do anything but given the state of the charts at the moment, would any song they released get Top 20/ No.1. I can't remember the last rock/indie band that topped the charts. Gaining new fans is always good for the band, however I know lots of friends work colleagues etc who (somewhat small mindedly) wont listen because its that 'gobby Gallagher' bloke. What I do know is that despite the (so far) lack of promotion around the new album, there's a real sense of anticipation and hype amongst the fans and I for one am pleased that they're back. Roll on June, Album and Camden- I can't wait.
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Post by oneeye on Apr 29, 2013 9:04:32 GMT -5
It's different which is what a lot of people wanted.
I love the chorus "come on, show what you love now" sounds great.
It aint a song I could have on repeat, but its a strong song.
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Post by alwaysnow on Apr 29, 2013 9:05:47 GMT -5
Why do people make it seem that good production is like cheating? It's as part of the song as everything else.
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Post by heathenchemistry02 on Apr 29, 2013 9:09:58 GMT -5
i've listened to it 3 times now.
I mean it's not as good as "the roller" i don't think. I liked the roller more, but it's a step in the right direction, and I like it a lot.
It's different. a grower kind of song. this song would be 2nd/3rd best on DGSS.
good tune, good first single.
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Post by matt on Apr 29, 2013 9:18:48 GMT -5
When on earth will this band ever broaden their horizons and listen to something different, instead of rehasing 60s psychedlic work? Guys like Gem, Andy and Liam need to go away and listen to U2 or Radiohead. Funny you said that. This song sounds like a rip-off of U2's 'Dirty Day.' Yeah you're right, my U2 comment doesn't seem so misplaced! Anyway, for those slating me telling them to listen to U2 and Radiohead, let me make it clearer. I didn't say make them sound like those bands, just be like those bands in terms of incorporating various influences outside their comfort zone. The best U2 and Radiohead albums are the ones where they really do take you by surprise with their influences. I'm not talking about Bends era Radiohead (which is still great) or peddling-the-mainstream dull U2 of recent years but when they really pushed it like OK Computer/Kid A or Achtung Baby/Zooropa (God no, I don't want them to rip off recent U2 - we've seen dire results with that from Kings of Leon). They might alienate a few fans by taking this approach, as Radiohead and U2 did, but hell would it be worth it. For me, Second Bite of the Apple is NOT a big step forward. It's still the same old predictable influences - not exactly Beatles but hardly out of the 60s rut. @kitjenson got it right by saying that the production does a good job of covering up what is an average tune.
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Post by spaneli on Apr 29, 2013 9:23:34 GMT -5
Why do people make it seem that good production is like cheating? It's as part of the song as everything else. Naw, I think very few have taken that approach. Yea, it's part of the song. It's like saying, "you know that song would only be okay if it weren't for the great lyrics" or "if it weren't for the great melody". The production is part of the song that's rated highly. As you would with any other song in rating the different aspects. The song itself isn't by some. I don't see what's wrong with that? As you said, production is part of the song, but a "part".
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Post by TheGentleRebel on Apr 29, 2013 9:24:37 GMT -5
I honestly think the melody is great, production and chorus too, but the problem is the lack of lyrical variation. It gets a bit too repetitive with the same lines on repeat throughout the whole song. 6.5/10
Start Anew sounds mega tho, the first 20 seconds(of the reversed DOSS) is probably the most beautiful they've written. Can't wait to hear that one. 8/10
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Post by theultimatewannabe on Apr 29, 2013 9:30:55 GMT -5
Why do people make it seem that good production is like cheating? It's as part of the song as everything else. Was just trying to say this, thx for mentioning it instead After about a dozen more listens, I think BE could actually be (unintentionally) employing a clever marketing ploy. SBOTA is not a stunning song, but lines like "tickle my feet with the NME" is not something that you hear every day and will certainly intrigue most of the haphazard listeners. It's a proper fun song and properly fun songs can be as much attention-garnering as those really good ones, if not more. The real worry is that this might be a premonition of a disappointing album but hey, The World's Not Set In Stone, which was deemed by many here as a passable album track, is a mere b-side. And besides, Start Anew sounds extremely promising so far. So imo there's little to judge right now, who knows this might be the worst track on the album..
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Post by theultimatewannabe on Apr 29, 2013 9:47:01 GMT -5
Why do people make it seem that good production is like cheating? It's as part of the song as everything else. Naw, I think very few have taken that approach. I think I have seen plenty of people whining here about how an originally terrible song had been miraculously saved by Sitek, when it's an apparent fact that a song and its production are virtually inseparable? Not disregarding the logical difference between that and complaining about how the "other aspects" of the song are poor. Or is it just my memory?
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Post by matt on Apr 29, 2013 9:55:11 GMT -5
Why do people make it seem that good production is like cheating? It's as part of the song as everything else. Naw, I think very few have taken that approach. Yea, it's part of the song. It's like saying, "you know that song would only be okay if it weren't for the great lyrics" or "if it weren't for the great melody". The production is part of the song that's rated highly. As you would with any other song in rating the different aspects. The song itself isn't by some. I don't see what's wrong with that? As you said, production is part of the song, but a "part". I see your point spaneli but some songs seem to have been written for such a treatment. My impression of Second Bite is that Gem wrote it in the mind of a typical glam rocker. A song like Flick of the Finger seemed to have been written for the massive production that it deserved though. I know it wasn't written like that (considering it was way back in 2004) but some songs suit it better. No doubt the production does improve Second Bite considerably though, but I can still hear a version of the song without the brass, whereas I couldn't imagine Flick of the Finger without brass, in the same way I couldn't hear A Day In The Life without the orchestra. Some songs are just shouting out for such glorious treatment.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2013 10:01:12 GMT -5
I dig it now, felt pretty underwhelming when I heard it this morning but like Flick of Finger it's a grower I think...
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Post by TheEyeballTickler on Apr 29, 2013 10:03:13 GMT -5
Why do people make it seem that good production is like cheating? It's as part of the song as everything else. Was just trying to say this, thx for mentioning it instead After about a dozen more listens, I think BE could actually be (unintentionally) employing a clever marketing ploy. SBOTA is not a stunning song, but lines like "tickle my feet with the NME" is not something that you hear every day and will certainly intrigue most of the haphazard listeners. It's a proper fun song and properly fun songs can be as much attention-garnering as those really good ones, if not more. The real worry is that this might be a premonition of a disappointing album but hey, The World's Not Set In Stone, which was deemed by many here as a passable album track, is a mere b-side. And besides, Start Anew sounds extremely promising so far. So imo there's little to judge right now, who knows this might be the worst track on the album.. How do you know It's NME and not enemy?
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Post by thedon on Apr 29, 2013 10:12:05 GMT -5
It's an embarrassment. The world is going to laugh at them, hate to say it.
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Post by fink621 on Apr 29, 2013 10:14:38 GMT -5
Why do people make it seem that good production is like cheating? It's as part of the song as everything else. Exactly, one of the most sensible things anyone has said on this thread so far. Not only are people getting bogged down in this "take away the production and it's crap" nonsense, they're starting to take away parts of the song to make it crap!
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Post by rockstar2004 on Apr 29, 2013 10:16:54 GMT -5
after hearing these first two songs its safe to say I'll be downloading the album, and if it sucks like I think it will, I won't be buying it.
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Post by olesiadudnik on Apr 29, 2013 10:22:47 GMT -5
after hearing these first two songs its safe to say I'll be downloading the album, and if it sucks like I think it will, I won't be buying it. Thanks for letting us be privy to such information. We hope to be in contact with you in the near future if anything should come up.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2013 10:23:02 GMT -5
It's an embarrassment. The world is going to laugh at them, hate to say it. You don't hate to say it at all you love it... you did the same on the last song and no doubt you'll say the same things about the next song we hear, then you made a thread in which you just moaned about Noel's new album without hearing any of the songs...
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Post by rockstar2004 on Apr 29, 2013 10:25:24 GMT -5
after hearing these first two songs its safe to say I'll be downloading the album, and if it sucks like I think it will, I won't be buying it. Thanks for letting us be privy to such information. We hope to be in contact with you in the near future if anything should come up. ok?
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Post by freddy838 on Apr 29, 2013 10:34:25 GMT -5
I honestly haven't enjoyed listening to any Oasis-related material as much as this for yonks. You're all nuts! Catchy as hell, Liam sounds great, trumpets and shit sound mental and dramatic, I reckon it'll sound great on the radio should anyone decide to play it. I can just imagine how it would feel walking through the park on a sunny day listening to it on the Ipod.
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Post by dreamweaver on Apr 29, 2013 10:43:21 GMT -5
Hammered it on my dinner earlier, playing Flick of the Finger and Bite of the Apple back to back (There's literally nothing else to do around here)
I have to say it takes a while for SBOTA to "Bed in" as it's not a song you would normally associate with any Gallagher 1st kind of single material. Certainly not of the latter years (Lyla, Shock of the Lightning, Go Let it Out, The Roller etc) but it does grow on you in time. It doesn't follow that normal pattern of a song and seems a bit misjointed but the change isn't a bad thing.
It goes well when combined with FOTF though and I'd rather a good solid album for me personally than killer singles and the album to be filled with dross.
I'm 31 and if I enjoy the album, I really couldn't care less if others do anymore, I certainly think this is a good step in a right direction though - it's a positive and fresh sound.
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