Teal
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Post by Teal on Apr 17, 2013 16:17:21 GMT -5
just like mucky fingers did^^ Flick of the Mucky Fingers?! WOW!!! just realized it! HOLY SHIT OMG BDI ripped off a NOEL SONG what's next? Wonderwall rip off?  I knew about the Mucky fingers. Waiting for the Man --> Mucky Fingers --> Flick of the Finger You guys just blew my mind. |
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Post by matt on Apr 17, 2013 16:18:18 GMT -5
Is he not just saying something we all thought? Put the blinders to one side, and Different Gear has piss poor songwriting. I've heard Lillywhite's work with U2 and Morrissey and it is sublime - the guy knows a thing or two how to produce records in a straightforward manner. Let's not beat about the bush and start blaming others for Beady Eye's piss poor first album - Liam, Gem and Andy are entirely at fault. If they stopped with all the cringey Beatles knock offs and dadrock, then they might have written a quality album but they didn't.
I am with Lillywhite on this one. Flick of the Finger is a brilliant song and arguably by far their finest, but he's right about Different Gear.
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Post by jaq515 on Apr 17, 2013 16:19:47 GMT -5
Sounds like he's bitter that they didn't bring him on for the new record, cause i seem to remember him at one point calling them "The Mighty Beady Eye" That is why it's ironic he left before the record was finished (as Liam had said in shortlist) but he still has the courtesy to big them up while 2 years later Liam disses him |
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Post by spaneli on Apr 17, 2013 16:22:03 GMT -5
Sounds like he's bitter that they didn't bring him on for the new record, cause i seem to remember him at one point calling them "The Mighty Beady Eye" To be fair to him, he just worked on the Killer's Battle Born. He's getting bigger paydays than Beady Eye could have ever given him from other bands. And he called them the "might Beady Eye" because he was talking up the band, when he didn't have to. He was actually being fairly professional even though there was clearly animosity during recording. He didn't carry that animosity out to the interviews and had nothing but complimentary things to say about Beady Eye, only to have the same band throw him under the bus two years later. I could see why he's pissed. |
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Post by wonderplan on Apr 17, 2013 16:23:44 GMT -5
Sounds like he's bitter that they didn't bring him on for the new record, cause i seem to remember him at one point calling them "The Mighty Beady Eye" That is why it's ironic he left before the record was finished (as Liam had said in shortlist) but he still has the courtesy to big them up while 2 years later Liam disses him Well I think Lillywhite let them do whatever they wanted while Sitek challenged them, it was like a give and take relationship. |
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Post by spaneli on Apr 17, 2013 16:28:08 GMT -5
That is why it's ironic he left before the record was finished (as Liam had said in shortlist) but he still has the courtesy to big them up while 2 years later Liam disses him Well I think Lillywhite let them do whatever they wanted while Sitek challenged them, it was like a give and take relationship. I think DGSS not being a "success" helped out with that. If DGSS had been a "success" I don't know if Sitek would be producing them right now. They went the Sitek route because their other route wasn't working. Their lack of "success" made it a lot easier for someone like Sitek to challenge them. I don't think it's as easy to say one challenged them and the other didn't. I think it was clear Lillywhite challenged them and that's why he left before mixing was even finished. I think the Beady Eye interview and the Lillywhite tweets show that Lillywhite wasn't just the idle passerby as everyone paints him to be,or the person who just sat back in auto pilot at let them have their way. There were disagreements and in the end Beady Eye won out. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2013 16:29:27 GMT -5
Yeh he does seem pretty immature, some guy just asked him what song it was and he said "you want me to google for you?". Putting CBE on you twitter username is immensely big-headed imo... And saying you want your band to be bigger than Oasis isn't?  It is too, but we can expect all those things from Liam hehe and I doubt he'll change at some point. But Lillywhite..he seems to be so mad  |
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Post by jaq515 on Apr 17, 2013 16:30:31 GMT -5
That is why it's ironic he left before the record was finished (as Liam had said in shortlist) but he still has the courtesy to big them up while 2 years later Liam disses him Well I think Lillywhite let them do whatever they wanted while Sitek challenged them, it was like a give and take relationship. i think we all know they told lillywhite what the album would sound like, with BE their new manager told them sitek would produce and he told them how it would be |
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Post by wonderplan on Apr 17, 2013 16:35:42 GMT -5
Well I think Lillywhite let them do whatever they wanted while Sitek challenged them, it was like a give and take relationship. I think DGSS not being a "success" helped out with that. If DGSS had been a "success" I don't know if Sitek would be producing them right now. They went the Sitek route because their other route wasn't working. Their lack of "success" made it a lot easier for someone like Sitek to challenge them. I don't think it's as easy to say one challenged them and the other didn't. I think it was clear Lillywhite challenged them and that's why he left before mixing was even finished. I think the Beady Eye interview and the Lillywhite tweets show that Lillywhite wasn't just the idle passerby as everyone paints him to be,or the person who just sat back in auto pilot at let them have their way. There were disagreements and in the end Beady Eye won out. I agree spaneli but I also don't think Lillywhite could have ever created that new sound/identity that they were looking for. I love DGSS i'm probably one of the few that do but i think LAG were so use to working with that oldskool sound they weren't really sure how to go about changing and needed a producer to help them go in that different direction. You always fall back on what you are comfortable with but in the end when someone challenges you to lean into discomfort it can be very rewarding you just need that extra little push sometimes. |
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Post by General Dread on Apr 17, 2013 16:39:28 GMT -5
Yeh he does seem pretty immature, some guy just asked him what song it was and he said "you want me to google for you?". Putting CBE on you twitter username is immensely big-headed imo... If your a BDI fan and your following/tweeting the producer of their first album surely you'd know a song leaked 12? Days ago? He might have got to listen to the album or another track through his sources. Who knows? It was a valid question which got an immature response. |
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Post by Willie T. Soke on Apr 17, 2013 16:42:38 GMT -5
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Post by jaq515 on Apr 17, 2013 16:45:06 GMT -5
If your a BDI fan and your following/tweeting the producer of their first album surely you'd know a song leaked 12? Days ago? He might have got to listen to the album or another track through his sources. Who knows? It was a valid question which got an immature response. Ok so are you tarring an average BDI fan to assume it could be a different song he's heard via 'sources' or he could possibly be talking about the song that's been approved as a radio / YT / soundcloud / official website song?? Not being rude but seriously??! |
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Post by aaronon on Apr 17, 2013 16:49:14 GMT -5
He seems bitter... Apparently Liam dissed him in an interview? Anyone know what he said about the Lillywhite sessions?
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As for Killers battle born.... I LOVE the killers but that album is awful; it's production is also atrocious. There's the song "Be still" which is great.... But only it's special edition acoustic version... The full on Lillywhite version is awful compared to the striped version.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2013 16:55:08 GMT -5
Well I think Lillywhite let them do whatever they wanted while Sitek challenged them, it was like a give and take relationship. iwith BE their new manager told them sitek would produce and he told them how it would be You make a real good point man I guess I don't see how Liam after 20 odd years would let any manager say. Right now here is how it's gonna be this guy will produce his wAy Ya know ? Jmo. Just can't see it ...I could be wrong ...and still thinks its all to do about shit anyway ..if the songs blow no amount of make up from a beautician will help. Again jmo |
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Post by spaneli on Apr 17, 2013 16:58:24 GMT -5
iwith BE their new manager told them sitek would produce and he told them how it would be You make a real good point man I guess I don't see how Liam after 20 odd years would let any manager say. Right now here is how it's gonna be this guy will produce his wAy Ya know ? Jmo. Just can't see it ...I could be wrong ... and still thinks its all to do about shit anyway ..if the songs blow no amount of make up from a beautician will help. Again jmo This. Lillywhite was correct in saying the song weren't there. And whether Sitek produced or not, if the songs aren't there they aren't there. We're still not sure how well Sitek himself has fair with songs given to him. |
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Post by jaq515 on Apr 17, 2013 17:02:33 GMT -5
iwith BE their new manager told them sitek would produce and he told them how it would be You make a real good point man I guess I don't see how Liam after 20 odd years would let any manager say. Right now here is how it's gonna be this guy will produce his wAy Ya know ? Jmo. Just can't see it ...I could be wrong ...and still thinks its all to do about shit anyway ..if the songs blow no amount of make up from a beautician will help. Again jmo i can't quote accurately but BDI says they didnt know what to do but Sitek turned it all on its head and was good... paraphrased from the shortlist mag.. We know their manager said in an interview 3-4 months ago he told them to take another 3-4 months to write songs, and he found sitek to take a 7/10 album to 9/10?? |
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Post by Nyron Nosworthy on Apr 17, 2013 17:03:50 GMT -5
Liam sounds childish and bitter most of the time. specially when he talks about Noel or how bad his band is doing. so whats wrong with a simple tweet by someone who's been told he wasn't right for the job, when he couldn't do anything about the lack of good songs? guess most of you are crying because he come up with some TERRIBLE truth about a band you like. It's not very professional though, is it? Not arsed in the slightest if he likes/dislikes them, but to come out with that after he's (presumably) been paid quite handsomely by them is a bit childish. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2013 17:04:10 GMT -5
You make a real good point man I guess I don't see how Liam after 20 odd years would let any manager say. Right now here is how it's gonna be this guy will produce his wAy Ya know ? Jmo. Just can't see it ...I could be wrong ... and still thinks its all to do about shit anyway ..if the songs blow no amount of make up from a beautician will help. Again jmo This. Lillywhite was correct in saying the song weren't there. And whether Sitek produced or not, if the songs aren't there they aren't there. We're still not sure how well Sitek himself has fair with songs given to him. Yea that's the way I see it , I know it makes for good forum banter ...but I honestly never knew or cared to know if the clash were working in the studio with a new producer or the police. Van Halen ( talkin 80 s ) my era for new music . I just couldn't wait to hear the band , never once did I look to see if it sounded different cause someone produced the song a bit different So lonely . London calling. , panama. All kicked ass and I suspect they would have kicked ass if Chris Martin produced not George Martin ...the tunes were there ..if you gotta count on a producer to dress it up. Uh oh |
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Post by General Dread on Apr 17, 2013 17:05:37 GMT -5
He might have got to listen to the album or another track through his sources. Who knows? It was a valid question which got an immature response. Ok so are you tarring an average BDI fan to assume it could be a different song he's heard via 'sources' or he could possibly be talking about the song that's been approved as a radio / YT / soundcloud / official website song?? Not being rude but seriously??! Let me put it this way, it would not be how I would respond to someones question. And if someone asks the question I guess it wasn't clear to everyone. |
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Post by Willie T. Soke on Apr 17, 2013 17:06:40 GMT -5
This. Lillywhite was correct in saying the song weren't there. And whether Sitek produced or not, if the songs aren't there they aren't there. We're still not sure how well Sitek himself has fair with songs given to him. Yea that's the way I see it , I know it makes for good forum banter ...but I honestly never knew or cared to know if the clash were working in the studio with a new producer or the police. Van Halen ( talkin 80 s ) my era for new music . I just couldn't wait to hear the band , never once did I look to see if it sounded different cause someone produced the song a bit different So lonely . London calling. , panama. All kicked ass and I suspect they would have kicked ass if Chris Martin produced not George Martin ...the tunes were there ..if you gotta count on a producer to dress it up. Uh oh The Clash's songs definitely go somewhere.............top 10 band ever. fuck yeah! |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2013 17:14:51 GMT -5
Yea that's the way I see it , I know it makes for good forum banter ...but I honestly never knew or cared to know if the clash were working in the studio with a new producer or the police. Van Halen ( talkin 80 s ) my era for new music . I just couldn't wait to hear the band , never once did I look to see if it sounded different cause someone produced the song a bit different So lonely . London calling. , panama. All kicked ass and I suspect they would have kicked ass if Chris Martin produced not George Martin ...the tunes were there ..if you gotta count on a producer to dress it up. Uh oh The Clash's songs definitely go somewhere.............top 10 band ever. fuck yeah! Ya think  . One of 5 best concerts I ever saw at the old felt forum ( now called paramount theatre ) in MSG. ,.. Like 81 or 82. Man they freakin tore it up " London's burnin with boredom now !!!! ". They tore the roof off with that tune man.  |
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Post by Willie T. Soke on Apr 17, 2013 17:18:52 GMT -5
The Clash's songs definitely go somewhere.............top 10 band ever. fuck yeah! Ya think . One of 5 best concerts I ever saw at the old felt forum ( now called paramount theatre ) in MSG. ,.. Like 81 or 82. Man they freakin tore it up " London's burnin with boredom now !!!! ". They tore the roof off with that tune man. fuck yeah! i saw Joe Strummer in like 2000, which is basically like seeing the Clash and he played a lot of Clash songs......unfortunately my nutball of a girlfriend at the time pissed me off so i sat at the bar drinking with the opening band most of the night. God bless. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2013 17:19:47 GMT -5
Ya think . One of 5 best concerts I ever saw at the old felt forum ( now called paramount theatre ) in MSG. ,.. Like 81 or 82. Man they freakin tore it up " London's burnin with boredom now !!!! ". They tore the roof off with that tune man. fuck yeah! i saw Joe Strummer in like 2000, which is basically like seeing the Clash and he played a lot of Clash songs......unfortunately my nutball of a girlfriend at the time pissed me off so i sat at the bar drinking with opening band most of the night. God bless. Who opened ? |
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Post by Willie T. Soke on Apr 17, 2013 17:22:25 GMT -5
fuck yeah! i saw Joe Strummer in like 2000, which is basically like seeing the Clash and he played a lot of Clash songs......unfortunately my nutball of a girlfriend at the time pissed me off so i sat at the bar drinking with opening band most of the night. God bless. Who opened ? i think a band called the Pietasters.......like a ska/punk band. God bless. |
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Post by gdforever on Apr 17, 2013 17:23:35 GMT -5
I think DGSS not being a "success" helped out with that. If DGSS had been a "success" I don't know if Sitek would be producing them right now. They went the Sitek route because their other route wasn't working. Their lack of "success" made it a lot easier for someone like Sitek to challenge them. I don't think it's as easy to say one challenged them and the other didn't. I think it was clear Lillywhite challenged them and that's why he left before mixing was even finished. I think the Beady Eye interview and the Lillywhite tweets show that Lillywhite wasn't just the idle passerby as everyone paints him to be,or the person who just sat back in auto pilot at let them have their way. There were disagreements and in the end Beady Eye won out. I agree spaneli but I also don't think Lillywhite could have ever created that new sound/identity that they were looking for. I love DGSS i'm probably one of the few that do but i think LAG were so use to working with that oldskool sound they weren't really sure how to go about changing and needed a producer to help them go in that different direction. You always fall back on what you are comfortable with but in the end when someone challenges you to lean into discomfort it can be very rewarding you just need that extra little push sometimes. The difference is probably that they realise they aren't always right now. Probably a bit arrogant coming out of one of the biggest bands in the world They pushed their own agenda with the last record to the point that the producer left in disguat and they just continued on and finished it. Fast forward 2 years. Their first album flopped and generally the songwriting is viewed as the biggest weakness...just as the producer had told them. They got a new producer...of course they are going to listen to him more and have a bit more humility. Frankly I have more respect for Lillywhite knowing that he knew that DGSS wasn't going to be great and was so sure in that opinion that he actually left the production when BDI wouldn't listen to him. I thought the biggest reason that they needed a different producer was because Lillywhite hadn't be great at quality control. Now we find out he tried to be the voice of reason about the quality of the music...and he actually got frustrated to the point that he left. I think BDI are a much more maleable and more humble band than the BDI from 2010 |
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. One of 5 best concerts I ever saw at the old felt forum ( now called paramount theatre ) in MSG. ,.. Like 81 or 82. Man they freakin tore it up " London's burnin with boredom now !!!! ". They tore the roof off with that tune man. 
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