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Post by thomuk2006 on Apr 13, 2013 6:28:39 GMT -5
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Post by matt on Apr 13, 2013 11:41:47 GMT -5
It's a bloody disgrace thats what it is. People around my age celebrating someone's death when they weren't even alive to experience it - sounds like a bunch of do-gooders jumping on the bandwagon, going along with the crowd and not having a mind for themselves.
Granted, I'm no fan of Thatcher (a very big critic and the saint like approach which right wing papers have taken this week has been cringeworthy), but the idea that she 'destroyed' this country is absurd, given the fact she walked in to her job in a destoryed country already. Quite rightly destroyed the unions with her power, who on average had 33% higher wages than the average for the rest of the country. These unions of course holding Callaghan and Heath previously to account and both gave in, and when they didn't get their way, people's dead relatives lay on a sidewalk in a coffin for two months. Hardly Thatcher's fault there, I blame the unions. Plus her actions in ending the Cold War are second to none.
Imagine if we had Labour's Michael Foot as PM? Britain would have been neutral in the Cold War and he would have let a right wing Argentinian government walk all over us. He would have been a bloody disaster as Prime Minister, just like all socialists.
Of course, her welfare attitudes were atrocious. Many working class were left destitute with her neoliberal policies, and her inaction against the Hillsborough victims were disgusting. I for one won't be shedding a tear come her funeral. What she did was necessary and no question about it, took this country out of the shit it was wallowing in in 1979. However, it didn't need to be so radical that so many in the north went unemployed. Plus, the flaws of unregulated markets only been seen today with the financial crisis shows the long term problems of these policies. But we must never go back to an Eastern European model where everything is state owned. No, the fundamentals need to stay the same but modified and tweaked. And Britain has no manufacturing industries these days. Quite obviously, some needed to go under but others could have been saved. We needed to re-modify our industries rather than let it all go, and now the country only has services to rely on.
But the fact remains when she left office in 1990, the country was far better off than when she came in. Ignorance is certainly not bliss and celebrating anyone's death is disgusting in my opinion. Looks as if the old adage of 'never speak ill of the dead' is not something that holds true to youngsters these days sadly.
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Post by Elie De Beaufour 🐴 on Apr 13, 2013 12:22:42 GMT -5
It's a bloody disgrace thats what it is. People around my age celebrating someone's death when they weren't even alive to experience it - sounds like a bunch of do-gooders jumping on the bandwagon, going along with the crowd and not having a mind for themselves. Agreed. I'm sick of this too. I still remember my grandfather's words on ANZAC Day one year: Who in their right mind celebrates the dead? Not those who saw them die. (Jack's Post-Tramutic Stress came from seeing a bomber pilot die at least once every week)
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2013 6:12:46 GMT -5
It's a bloody disgrace thats what it is. Of course it isn't, sure it's pathetic but to think some pointless campaign to buy a song is a disgrace suggests you need to put things in perspective.
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Post by matt on Apr 15, 2013 18:35:51 GMT -5
It's a bloody disgrace thats what it is. Of course it isn't, sure it's pathetic but to think some pointless campaign to buy a song is a disgrace suggests you need to put things in perspective. I think I put things in perspective with the rest of the post to be honest. Alright, a disgrace is a bit of a hefty word but all other points are relevant.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2013 6:50:12 GMT -5
Of course it isn't, sure it's pathetic but to think some pointless campaign to buy a song is a disgrace suggests you need to put things in perspective. I think I put things in perspective with the rest of the post to be honest. Alright, a disgrace is a bit of a hefty word but all other points are relevant. most of your post was irrelevant either people should be able to buy a song in protest or they shouldn't, no matter who the person they are protesting. Whilst i think it is a pointless act and i don't know who gives a fuck about the charts i defend the right of people to protest in this way.
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Post by matt on Apr 16, 2013 11:09:19 GMT -5
I think I put things in perspective with the rest of the post to be honest. Alright, a disgrace is a bit of a hefty word but all other points are relevant. most of your post was irrelevant either people should be able to buy a song in protest or they shouldn't, no matter who the person they are protesting. Whilst i think it is a pointless act and i don't know who gives a fuck about the charts i defend the right of people to protest in this way. Look I wasn'y saying they couldn't buy the song. I was saying if people had enough knowledge of what she did they're would be no reason to buy it. Sure, they can buy it all they want, but I honestly don't think ignorance is bliss in this scenario as they are celebrating something which is so profoundly negative that it can't be good for anyone. People jump on the bandwagon to the extent that those who do don't understand the matter at all. They have no idea what Thatcher did but are just going by what their mates are saying. Again, like yourself I would defend those who genuinely felt hurt by Thatcher and who experienced some of her (morally corrupt in my opinion) policies. But I really struggle to find any right to defend those who don't know jack sh** about her. It's very sad in my opinion. You can defend the right and all, but when it verges into territory when it begins to offend people, then we've got serious problems. Shouldn't a fully functioning democracy be a fully informed one - in this day and age its really not that hard for people to get grasp of decent information to base their opinions on.
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Post by live4everfessi on Apr 18, 2013 20:23:58 GMT -5
Age has nothing to do with it.
People from certain backgrounds have been brought up to hate her by their parents and throughout life have had this hate figure indoctrinated onto them and that is her fault and her fault alone.
These young people are feeling the shit that the evil bitch put on this country today arguably even more than those who lived through her reign.
People celebrated when Bin Laden died and if you class the deaths of white Europeans/Americans as being equivalent to the deaths of foreigners then they both arguably have similar amounts of blood on their hands.
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Post by live4everfessi on Apr 18, 2013 20:26:32 GMT -5
People buying Ding Dong was a reaction against being told how to act by the right wing nutters in control of the media and the way that they have attempted to canonise the c*nt.
The vast majority of the British public have been ignored and forced to pay for the funeral of a woman who has ruined their lives; who the fuck are you to blame them for trying to be heard?
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Post by jakob61907 on Apr 18, 2013 23:22:17 GMT -5
matt You don't have to live through it to know what her values and moral standpoints are. Some of these younglings could have had family who lived through it. Thatcherism is still at large today and it hasn't done that much good. She was a horrible person to a vast majority of the population and i dont really agree with people celebrating her death but i can definitely understand why
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Post by jakob61907 on Apr 18, 2013 23:22:50 GMT -5
out of curiosity did it make number 1?
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Post by GIMH on Apr 19, 2013 0:26:46 GMT -5
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