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Post by djlen74 on Nov 7, 2005 9:43:43 GMT -5
I was just wondering about something, since Liam is now taking some of the songwriting duties away from his brother, and has triumphed on DBTT with Guess God Thinks I'm Abel... Has/does/will Noel ever confer with Liam when writing a tune? I know that years ago on VH1's behind the music Noel had said all of Liam's songs were 100% shite, but after Songbird and GGTIA you would have to think that Noel is beginning to respect Liam as a serious songwriter. And I know that when they were laying down Let There Be Love, they met each other halfway, Noel had wanted it to be a weeper, while Liam wanted it to be a rocker/anthem, ala Champagne Supernova, and they supposedly met each other in the middle on that, which I think is evident by listening to the finished product. I'm not suggesting that on future albums we will see 6-7 songs "Written by N. and L. Gallagher" in the style of Lennon & McCartney (although I guess that is possible!), but what I'm asking is has or will Noel ever turn to Liam when writing a song to get his opinion on a lyric or a riff... Or visa-versa, will Liam ask Noel for opinions  |
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Post by seven29pompeyfc on Nov 7, 2005 11:18:51 GMT -5
Hopefully. I remember seeing a Noel interview in Q around the time of Heathen Chemistry where he said it would be great to have a Gallagher / Gallagher composition a #1. He also said that it was hard for two people to sit down with the intention of writing a song together.
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Post by novascotialad on Nov 7, 2005 11:54:38 GMT -5
i remember noel saying that he likes working with liam on liams tunes, but he tries to stay away from it because at times he feels like he's too involved and it may take away from what liam is trying to create.
i guess as of right now, Gem is the sounding board for liam and noel both.
fuck i love our band.
sometimes i wonder what it would have been like if the current oasis lineup woulda been the original... with liam, noel, andy, and gem all writing together. wow.
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Post by globe on Nov 7, 2005 12:04:37 GMT -5
sometimes i wonder what it would have been like if the current oasis lineup woulda been the original... with liam, noel, andy, and gem all writing together. wow. IMO if Andy and Gem had been in the band from the start, DM wouldnt have been the album it is and the whole impact Oasis had on the UK wouldnt have been the same. The original band wasnt about musicianship, it was about a gang of mates, picking up guitars and having it. Bonehead and Guigsy might not be the greatest musicians in the world and Andy and Gem are obviously superior in that respect, but they're not your typical alcoholic, drug taking, hotel smashing hooligans from Burnage that Bonehead and Guigs were. All those early tours wouldnt have been the same. |
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Post by djlen74 on Nov 7, 2005 12:09:55 GMT -5
sometimes i wonder what it would have been like if the current oasis lineup woulda been the original... with liam, noel, andy, and gem all writing together. wow. great point. But keep in mind that that would have meant that a handful of those Noel gems on DM and WTSMG likely would have been bumped off those albums, WHAT A THOUGHT!... but I imagine that those probably would have ultimately shown up as "B-sides", which would mean that a few of the B-sides from that era wouldn't have seen the light of day! Although it is getting a bit off topic, I agree that Our Band has as much depth as ANY band out there today... maybe the most. |
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Post by Clint on Nov 7, 2005 15:00:24 GMT -5
Yeah. Early Oasis was just completely different. It was about one working class brother who was a true genius, and another who was a true rockstar with one of the most interesting voices there ever was. Mix em and you get a lot of fights but some pretty incredible music.
Noel knows he's a fucking genius and he didn't want anybody touching his songs. So I guess that's why he doesn't really want to touch Liam's shit much now.
I think it'd always be better under a leader. The Beatles were shittier when they worked together, but when they grew apart that's when the genius started to shine. Oasis was like a dictatorship. And Noel was a genius who did whatever he wanted. It was efficient as hell and produced some amazing shit, although it wasn't fair. It's a much different time for Oasis.
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Post by LuckyJim on Nov 7, 2005 16:30:30 GMT -5
Getting back to the topic that started this, I think it might be cool to see a few Gallagher/Gallagher compositions on the next album. Liam seems to have the inspiration these days, but Noel has the craft. Speaking as someone who isn't necessarily blown away by any of Liam's efforts so far (meaning I like some of them, but ultimately I think they're just decent album filler), I'd like to see Noel put his master touch on some of these interesting but slight ditties Liam seems to have no problem cranking out.
That said, I don't picture it happening. I think it goes beyond Noel having difficulty sitting down with someone and writing a tune. Despite recent claims that the Gallagher brothers are getting along just fine these days, I don't believe they talk to each other much anymore, or really work with each other the way people in a band probably should (it's my theory that Noel was barely involved in "Heathen Chemistry"). That's why I think Noel sings most of Noel's songs these days, and Liam sings Liam's and everyone else's. Noel writes a song, thinks "hmmm, this doesn't sound like Liam's usual thing." And, instead of saying, "hey dumbass, why don't you try singing it like this…" Noel doesn't bother and just does it himself. I'm not really happy with this trend, but there you go.
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Post by Moorish on Nov 8, 2005 9:54:49 GMT -5
Noel "barely involved" on HC? I seriously doubt that. He wouldn't allow an Oasis album out with his name on it that he was uninvolved with. True he lets the others shine more these days, but he is still The Chief, don't make any mistake about that. I agree with you that Noel sings most of Noel's songs these days, though I think a lot of it has do with Noel feeling more proprietary of his own material these days, as Liam is writing his own songs and singing all of those, as well as all of Andy and Gem's. Noel has admitted that if Liam had sung Mucky Fingers it would have been the first single - so why didn't he? Cos Noel couldn't let it go, that's why.
Personally I think the brothers have always offered each other opinions (mostly Liam going "What's up with that bit? That's shit" and Noel going "Fuck off", or Noel listening to a Liam tune, like the famed 'mentions-every-Oasis-single' one and saying "That's shit" and Liam going "Fuck off"), but as to whether they will ever sit down and write a whole song together remains to be seen. I think Noel is a little too private and protective to do that.
The way it will happen is like Liam and Gem did on LLAB; Liam has a basic idea and Noel 9if he could ever bring himself to) works on it with him, suggesting and changing things, and they make it into a tune that way.
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Post by LuckyJim on Nov 8, 2005 12:13:09 GMT -5
The way it will happen is like Liam and Gem did on LLAB; Liam has a basic idea and Noel 9if he could ever bring himself to) works on it with him, suggesting and changing things, and they make it into a tune that way. That's what I would like to see happen, too. But my point was, I don't think they talk to each other like that. Too much history/baggage or whatever. And I don't think Gem and Liam really "collaborate" either. I think Gem is more like an editor. Liam says, "listen to this…" and Gem goes "okay, well, ummm, that one part isn't really a chord, what if you do this…" Liam: "right. That's it. Thanks. Another brilliant composition by me." And my theory about Noel not really being involved much in HC… it's too long and boring to go into. The short version is that I don't think he played on anything he didn't write (though I think he was back to being the Chief for DBTT). Liam singing "Mucky Fingers." I wish he had. I guess I just think that Noel should sing on a maximum of two songs per album. |
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