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Post by asimarx on Feb 18, 2013 17:44:18 GMT -5
Hi everyone, I always wanted co create a thread about this, so here we go... From what I can gather, those 6 songs from the Beady Eye catalogue were attempted or even recorded during a session for an Oasis release: - Four Letter Word
- Millionaire
- The Roller
- Standing On The Edge Of The Noise
- The Morning Son
- Man Of Misery
I'm not sure about Four Letter Word, but I definitely remember reading it somewhere, feel free to correct me. Standing On The Edge Of The Noise is quite obvious, I really don't think Gem wrote the song because he liked the title of that TV special. Man Of Misery was used in an Pretty Green advert in 2008. Noel himself clears it up for the remaining three songs: www.contactmusic.com/news/noel-gallaghers-roller-prediction_1235478So, has anyone got any more insight or infos? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2013 18:31:01 GMT -5
Kill for A Dream's been around since 2001, Wind Up Dream was from the DBTT era and For Anyone's been around a while IIRC. A few LAG titles floating around the Oasis time that could be released are Evil Eye, Cut And Shut, The Magic Can't Be Right (Might be Noel but I swear I heard that was a Gem song, could be wrong) Whatever 'Show Me Your Love' was...
Anyone else got any others?
Obviously I have no inside info I've just probably read or listened to every Oasis interview ever and that's what I've remembered.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Feb 18, 2013 18:34:52 GMT -5
Kill for A Dream's been around since 2001, Wind Up Dream was from the DBTT era and For Anyone's been around a while IIRC. A few LAG titles floating around the Oasis time that could be released are Evil Eye, Cut And Shut, The Magic Can't Be Right (Might be Noel but I swear I heard that was a Gem song, could be wrong) Anyone else got any others? Obviously I have no inside info I've just probably read or listened to every Oasis interview ever and that's what I've remembered. The Magic Can't Be Right is a Noel Gallagher song. He has spoken about it in several videos and online interviews. I believe the following songs were presented to Oasis at one point or another. - Millionaire (Dig Out Your Soul) - The Roller (Heathen Chemistry) - Standing On The Edge of The Noise (Dig Out Your Soul) - The Morning Son (Dig Out Your Soul and possibly Don't Believe The Truth) - Man of Misery (Dig Out Your Soul era) I do not believe Andy had written Four Letter Word yet because during promotional work for DGSS Liam said it was written after the bands split in the summer of 2009. I hope some of this helps. |
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Post by asimarx on Feb 18, 2013 18:42:25 GMT -5
Kill for A Dream's been around since 2001, Wind Up Dream was from the DBTT era and For Anyone's been around a while IIRC. Thanks for that info.  If anyone could perhaps back this up with references or interview quotes? I've already googled this to death... |
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Post by asimarx on Feb 18, 2013 18:52:26 GMT -5
- Millionaire (Dig Out Your Soul) - The Roller (Heathen Chemistry) - Standing On The Edge of The Noise (Dig Out Your Soul) - The Morning Son (Dig Out Your Soul and possibly Don't Believe The Truth) - Man of Misery (Dig Out Your Soul era) I do not believe Andy had written Four Letter Word yet because during promotional work for DGSS Liam said it was written after the bands split in the summer of 2009. I hope some of this helps. Thanks! Yeah, those five songs have been mentioned by Noel (not that any member of Beady Eye would admit recycling old dismissed Oasis tunes), but I'm pretty sure Four Letter Word had been written for Oasis. I did a forum search and found several quotes by members, who stressed that it was a candidate for Dig Out Your Soul. Unfortunately nobody had any reliable sources.  Edit: Something's gone horribly wrong during the quote editing from my side, sorry! |
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Post by rupertg on Feb 18, 2013 19:12:31 GMT -5
Andy's Kill For A Dream and Gem's The Roller were the first songs they written for Oasis. I believe those songs would have made Heathen Chemistry a much better album.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Feb 18, 2013 20:10:02 GMT -5
Thanks! Yeah, those five songs have been mentioned by Noel (not that any member of Beady Eye would admit recycling old dismissed Oasis tunes), but I'm pretty sure Four Letter Word had been written for Oasis. I did a forum search and found several quotes by members, who stressed that it was a candidate for Dig Out Your Soul. Unfortunately nobody had any reliable sources. Edit: Something's gone horribly wrong during the quote editing from my side, sorry! If true, I would be shocked Noel didn't select it for DOYS. Then again, Noel' tracklisting selections have let me down many many times before.  |
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Post by bestwick8 on Feb 18, 2013 20:43:54 GMT -5
Which song of the Charltans do you think Noel thought sounded like millionaire?
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Post by asimarx on Feb 18, 2013 20:53:24 GMT -5
If true, I would be shocked Noel didn't select it for DOYS. Then again, Noel' tracklisting selections have let me down many many times before. That's originally why I was asking - the knowledge of when those songs were written gives you fuel for countless hours of pointless tracklist speaculation!  Just imagine Dig Out Soul including Four Letter Word and Millionaire (the best Beady Eye song IMHO) instead of The Nature Of Reality and Ain't Got Nothin'. Then put it Come On Outside and Record Machine with Liam vocals. Maybe even exchange Soldier On with The Morning Son...whatever you do to change the second half of it, it gets better and it would have been realisable apparently! Noel's/Oasis management's track selections especially on the last two albums were really sort of questionable. Don't wanna get offtopic, but I really think the first half of Dig Out Your Soul's got a timeless quality, it would have been a classic, if they could have only invested some more time in the recording sessions, even just recording vocals (e.g. Come On Outside/Record Machine). It's really beyond my understanding. Whenever I get past Falling Down on that record I immediately think, oh dear, this could have been a record for generations to remember... |
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Post by asimarx on Feb 18, 2013 21:02:45 GMT -5
Which song of the Charltans do you think Noel thought sounded like millionaire? I guess Noel was just "cringing" at the line "you just need to know yourself", which to him sounded remotely like something The Charlatans would write. Which, and even if you just don't like the tune, seems bullshit to me. The lyrics might be a bit "surreal" but certainly, just lyricwise, better than most of what Noel puts down. The music of The Charlatans is a matter for themselves, I like most of their stuff anyway. Especially since Tim Burgess copied my tattoo (fac.33). But that's another story I really dig Millionaire, it must have been something in the relationship between Andy and Noel that has been wrong all the way. He's apparently the only one he doesn't talk (well apart from Liam) of course. It would AT LEAST have made an amazing b-side think. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Feb 18, 2013 21:03:05 GMT -5
If true, I would be shocked Noel didn't select it for DOYS. Then again, Noel' tracklisting selections have let me down many many times before. That's originally why I was asking - the knowledge of when those songs were written gives you fuel for countless hours of pointless tracklist speaculation! Just imagine Dig Out Soul including Four Letter Word and Millionaire (the best Beady Eye song IMHO) instead of The Nature Of Reality and Ain't Got Nothin'. Then put it Come On Outside and Record Machine with Liam vocals. Maybe even exchange Soldier On with The Morning Son...whatever you do to change the second half of it, it gets better and it would have been realisable apparently! Noel's/Oasis management's track selections especially on the last two albums were really sort of questionable. Don't wanna get offtopic, but I really think the first half of Dig Out Your Soul's got a timeless quality, it would have been a classic, if they could have only invested some more time in the recording sessions, even just recording vocals (e.g. Come On Outside/Record Machine). It's really beyond my understanding. Whenever I get past Falling Down on that record I immediately think, oh dear, this could have been a record for generations to remember... The run of songs featuring Bag It Up, The Turning, Waiting For The Rapture, Shock of The Lightening and I'm Outta Time is up there with anything Oasis has ever put on record. I agree, adding songs like Record Machine, Come On Outside and Boy With The Blues would have only added to the track strengthening of that album. Oh well, it didn't work out like that but we did get to hear all those songs regardless. Win win right? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2013 10:08:09 GMT -5
Which song of the Charltans do you think Noel thought sounded like millionaire? I guess Noel was just "cringing" at the line "you just need to know yourself", which to him sounded remotely like something The Charlatans would write. Which, and even if you just don't like the tune, seems bullshit to me. The lyrics might be a bit "surreal" but certainly, just lyricwise, better than most of what Noel puts down. The music of The Charlatans is a matter for themselves, I like most of their stuff anyway. Especially since Tim Burgess copied my tattoo (fac.33). But that's another story I really dig Millionaire, it must have been something in the relationship between Andy and Noel that has been wrong all the way. He's apparently the only one he doesn't talk (well apart from Liam) of course. It would AT LEAST have made an amazing b-side think. Millionaire is sappy crap - Noel was right to say no! |
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Post by asimarx on Feb 19, 2013 17:11:01 GMT -5
Bumpin' this one more time, anyone got any more information to share?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2013 17:40:44 GMT -5
If true, I would be shocked Noel didn't select it for DOYS. Then again, Noel' tracklisting selections have let me down many many times before. That's originally why I was asking - the knowledge of when those songs were written gives you fuel for countless hours of pointless tracklist speaculation! Just imagine Dig Out Soul including Four Letter Word and Millionaire (the best Beady Eye song IMHO) instead of The Nature Of Reality and Ain't Got Nothin'. Then put it Come On Outside and Record Machine with Liam vocals. Maybe even exchange Soldier On with The Morning Son...whatever you do to change the second half of it, it gets better and it would have been realisable apparently! Noel's/Oasis management's track selections especially on the last two albums were really sort of questionable. Don't wanna get offtopic, but I really think the first half of Dig Out Your Soul's got a timeless quality, it would have been a classic, if they could have only invested some more time in the recording sessions, even just recording vocals (e.g. Come On Outside/Record Machine). It's really beyond my understanding. Whenever I get past Falling Down on that record I immediately think, oh dear, this could have been a record for generations to remember... About 10 minutes in Noel says he had 30 songs left over from DBTT, we know Come On Outside and Record Machine were in that as well as LAG chipping in with stuff like Boy With The Blues and The Roller etc... it really is a mystery why that album was so poor considering the amount of songs available. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Feb 19, 2013 17:46:01 GMT -5
That's originally why I was asking - the knowledge of when those songs were written gives you fuel for countless hours of pointless tracklist speaculation! Just imagine Dig Out Soul including Four Letter Word and Millionaire (the best Beady Eye song IMHO) instead of The Nature Of Reality and Ain't Got Nothin'. Then put it Come On Outside and Record Machine with Liam vocals. Maybe even exchange Soldier On with The Morning Son...whatever you do to change the second half of it, it gets better and it would have been realisable apparently! Noel's/Oasis management's track selections especially on the last two albums were really sort of questionable. Don't wanna get offtopic, but I really think the first half of Dig Out Your Soul's got a timeless quality, it would have been a classic, if they could have only invested some more time in the recording sessions, even just recording vocals (e.g. Come On Outside/Record Machine). It's really beyond my understanding. Whenever I get past Falling Down on that record I immediately think, oh dear, this could have been a record for generations to remember... About 10 minutes in Noel says he had 30 songs left over from DBTT, we know Come On Outside and Record Machine were in that as well as LAG chipping in with stuff like Boy With The Blues and The Roller etc... it really is a mystery why that album was so poor considering the amount of songs available. They really should have been pumping out more tunes. Touring is great but at the end of the day I want to hear more music being released. Especially with 4 people writing songs. Oasis should have done some EPs and quick follow up albums since it seems everyone had a stockpile of unused material. They didn't have to launch massive tours in support of these releases either. Just a couple of gigs here and there. |
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Post by plaskins1 on Feb 19, 2013 19:09:20 GMT -5
But touring is where the money is these days - not that they needed it! The idea of releasing EPs probably felt like working for nothing (for lazy NG lol)
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Post by andymorris on Feb 21, 2013 15:47:54 GMT -5
That's originally why I was asking - the knowledge of when those songs were written gives you fuel for countless hours of pointless tracklist speaculation! Just imagine Dig Out Soul including Four Letter Word and Millionaire (the best Beady Eye song IMHO) instead of The Nature Of Reality and Ain't Got Nothin'. Then put it Come On Outside and Record Machine with Liam vocals. Maybe even exchange Soldier On with The Morning Son...whatever you do to change the second half of it, it gets better and it would have been realisable apparently! Noel's/Oasis management's track selections especially on the last two albums were really sort of questionable. Don't wanna get offtopic, but I really think the first half of Dig Out Your Soul's got a timeless quality, it would have been a classic, if they could have only invested some more time in the recording sessions, even just recording vocals (e.g. Come On Outside/Record Machine). It's really beyond my understanding. Whenever I get past Falling Down on that record I immediately think, oh dear, this could have been a record for generations to remember... About 10 minutes in Noel says he had 30 songs left over from DBTT, we know Come On Outside and Record Machine were in that as well as LAG chipping in with stuff like Boy With The Blues and The Roller etc... it really is a mystery why that album was so poor considering the amount of songs available. Sometimes songs don't fit or they didn't manage to get them right. Or, another case, the writer wants it to sound in some way and Noel refused. It's probably the latter than happened... DBTT is kind of a weird record because it was recorded 3 times and i think Noel couldnt be bothered to try any further, so they just went with most of his demos, reworked a bit. I think there's a great anthology of album-like demos to be released. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Feb 21, 2013 15:53:56 GMT -5
About 10 minutes in Noel says he had 30 songs left over from DBTT, we know Come On Outside and Record Machine were in that as well as LAG chipping in with stuff like Boy With The Blues and The Roller etc... it really is a mystery why that album was so poor considering the amount of songs available. Sometimes songs don't fit or they didn't manage to get them right. Or, another case, the writer wants it to sound in some way and Noel refused. It's probably the latter than happened... DBTT is kind of a weird record because it was recorded 3 times and i think Noel couldnt be bothered to try any further, so they just went with most of his demos, reworked a bit. I think there's a great anthology of album-like demos to be released. Interesting points. Considering DBTT started off as a Death In Vegas project and likely had an electronic element to the recordings, where it ended up as a final product is a complete 180 from the original Noel idea. Don't get me wrong, I like DBTT, it has a more acoustic feel than say how DIV album would have come out. Does anyone know officially if "I Can See It Now" was from those DIV sessions? That track always reminded me how it might have sounded. I could see that track being on DIV's Scorpio Rising album. |
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Post by gdforever on Feb 21, 2013 15:58:06 GMT -5
But touring is where the money is these days - not that they needed it! The idea of releasing EPs probably felt like working for nothing (for lazy NG lol) Seems like Oasis had lots of stress while recording more often than not. Either band members having issues or the music not turning out like they want more commonly. |
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Post by plaskins1 on Feb 21, 2013 17:52:31 GMT -5
But touring is where the money is these days - not that they needed it! The idea of releasing EPs probably felt like working for nothing (for lazy NG lol) Seems like Oasis had lots of stress while recording more often than not. Either band members having issues or the music not turning out like they want more commonly. Yes, I can imagine the stresses. Especially between the Gallaghers. But even now, in seperate bands, they seem to be on the same long(ish) schedule for releasing albums (BDI only taking roughly a year and a half between 1st and 2nd albums is the most productive either Gallagher has been in years I guess - However, Noel had a 2nd album recorded and practically ready to go but decided against the release). Atleast the album releases are not clashing with each other, that way we aren't having to wait the full 2+ years for an Oasis release to hear new material.. |
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Post by rupertg on Feb 21, 2013 18:29:42 GMT -5
Here is some info on Millionaire: www.beadyeyemusic.com/mixes.php?y=2011&id=6
'The song "Millionaire" was written in 2007. I wrote it after a trip to Spain. It was springtime, it was still snowing in Sweden, and I happened to be talking to my mate Iain, who I know from years back in Oxford. He'd moved out to Barcelona a few years before, and he just said get yourself over here for a week. Got to Barcelona, sure enough the sun was beating down, it was great, and after a few days there we ended up going on this road trip up to Cadaqués for the weekend. Cadaqués is this nice little fishing village and to be honest I didn't get why I was being taken there, then when we went to this bar and it was full of pictures of Salvador Dali hanging out with the Rolling Stones and I started to realise there was something a bit special about the place.
Here is some info about The Roller big thanks to Mr. Monobrow
The Roller
In an interview for the December 2000 edition of Select Magazine, Noel made the following brief quote about this song. "Gem's written his first song for the band, called 'The Roller' - it's like T Rex doing `Instant Karma'".
On the 27th June 2002, in an interview for BBC Radio London, Noel mentioned the song whilst talking about Gem. "He wrote two [songs for Heathen Chemistry], one was called 'The Roller' which we didn't, for whatever reason, didn't quite nail in the studio, that'll probably end up on a b-side somewhere.", Listen to Noel here. This confirms that 'The Roller' is in fact a completely separate song to 'Hung In A Bad Place' and not a working title, as was commonly thought. |
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Post by mkoasis on Feb 22, 2013 1:02:09 GMT -5
Thank you for posting the info RupertG |
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Post by rupertg on Feb 22, 2013 3:53:48 GMT -5
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Post by asimarx on Feb 22, 2013 12:17:01 GMT -5
There it is: "Four Letter Word...dates back to the Oasis days" Thanks for the link! |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Feb 22, 2013 12:19:24 GMT -5
There it is: "Four Letter Word...dates back to the Oasis days" Thanks for the link! And another swing and a miss by Noel Gallagher. That would have been a terrific Oasis tune on any of their albums. |
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