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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2013 12:59:14 GMT -5
I've always thought that the Falling Down remix was received pretty well among most of the fans..but every time theres a discussion about being psychedellic the general opinion goes like "I hope they don't go like amorphous androgynous" ;D I don't know, I really like the remixes..
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Post by KRRRRRRR on Jan 22, 2013 13:01:16 GMT -5
I do too. The problem is a lot of people's tastes reach the depth of a puddle of piss.
It's not a bad thing to take chances musically.
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Post by gdforever on Jan 22, 2013 13:15:32 GMT -5
I've said that. I was looking forward to the AA project. But the more I listen the more I think the AA collaborations we've heard are more psychedelia-by-numbers than truly amazingly original. It's not that I don't like the other stuff the AA have done though. I wanted that collaboration a year before it was announced.
It would have been good as a companion piece...but issuing something like that as a primary release would be a flop and if BDI want to be a live draw they need fans. i still think Liam cares more about live than studio. Likely the critics would go nuts for it but critics haven't been hopefully will continue not to be a major consideration for BDI
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Post by Headmaster on Jan 22, 2013 13:47:31 GMT -5
So, that Noel project with AA was cancelled or what?
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Post by gdforever on Jan 22, 2013 14:24:29 GMT -5
So, that Noel project with AA was cancelled or what? That's what he says. But then again he denied recording anything until basically press conference to keep the pressure off him. He's not open like BDI about declaring his behind the scenes workings.
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Post by supernovadragon on Jan 22, 2013 14:51:15 GMT -5
To me, it always felt like a mistake that he even announced it...shouldn't have till it was totally finished
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Post by matt on Jan 22, 2013 16:08:37 GMT -5
I love the AA mixes. Very disappointed there was no follow up. Granted, I can understand if he didn't want unheard conventional tunes going on there first, but as an accompaniment to versions on the original High Flying Birds it would have been great.
I loved the wide musical palette that was on offer, something which was a world away from the latter day unambitious Oasis tunes which consisted of just guitars - that got really tedious especially as the quality wasn't the great great standard of their prime (hell, even in their prime they could offer something simple as strings even!).
Who knows if Noel bottled it or it genuinely wasn't that great. Noel has a tendency to dabble in something different but he has yet to go full blown out there with something 'new'.
Also, I've never really understood those fans who hate the idea of change - did you not realise the dip in quality? Why persist with same sounding songs when the tunes get gradually worse? High Flying Birds was conventional I admit but it was great because the songs were brilliant just like early Oasis (though not to the peak of that of course), but when the songs aren't up to standard, then it is definitely time to try something new. The fact of the matter is, people get tired of the same old sound over and over again - audiences are always striving for something fresh. For example, U2 would not be massive today if they simply kept on trying to recreate The Joshua Tree that's for sure. Sure, Oasis still released hit singles, but nobody gave a shit about their albums sadly. And on the last album nobody gave a shit about their singles or album. And that was here in the UK.
The majority of us just want something 'new'. And the frustrating thing is, he can definitely do it. Numerous examples prove this - the odd experimental touch on songs like Gas Panic, Setting Sun with the Chemical Brothers, these AA mixes, Teotihuacan from The X Files movie, The Hindu Times demo which showed potential. He also hired Death In Vegas to produce what would be Don't Believe The Truth - and perhaps with more time spent with them and writing tunes could have resulted in a real re-birth of Oasis.
All this shows a desire to do something different, though with Noel I think it takes that 'leap of faith', something which he has yet to do.
The fear is with every passing album he works with a yes-man dull middle of the road producer like Dave Sardy, the less likely he is to opt for something different. Who knows, if Beady Eye's new album is a success and is different as it has been made out to be, it might prompt Noel to try something new. Who would have thought it, but it might very well be Liam to be the first to take that leap of faith...
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jan 22, 2013 16:27:32 GMT -5
I love the AA mixes. Very disappointed there was no follow up. Granted, I can understand if he didn't want unheard conventional tunes going on there first, but as an accompaniment to versions on the original High Flying Birds it would have been great. I loved the wide musical palette that was on offer, something which was a world away from the latter day unambitious Oasis tunes which consisted of just guitars - that got really tedious especially as the quality wasn't the great great standard of their prime (hell, even in their prime they could offer something simple as strings even!). Who knows if Noel bottled it or it genuinely wasn't that great. Noel has a tendency to dabble in something different but he has yet to go full blown out there with something 'new'. And the frustrating thing is, he can definitely do it. Numerous examples prove this - the odd experimental touch on songs like Gas Panic, Setting Sun with the Chemical Brothers, these AA mixes, Teotihuacan from The X Files movie, The Hindu Times demo which showed potential. He also hired Death In Vegas to produce what would be Don't Believe The Truth - and perhaps with more time spent with them and writing tunes could have resulted in a real re-birth of Oasis. All this shows a desire to do something different, though with Noel I think it takes that 'leap of faith', something which he has yet to do. The fear is with every passing album he works with a yes-man dull middle of the road producer like Dave Sardy, the less likely he is to opt for something different. Who knows, if Beady Eye's new album is a success and is different as it has been made out to be, it might prompt Noel to try something new. Who would have thought it, but it might very well be Liam to be the first to take that leap of faith... Yes, it is a shame many of the more artistic collaborations never materialized. I REALLY wanted the Death In Vegas sessions to work. I was also DYING to hear this AA album more so than the HFBs one. Since the days of Ok Computer, I've always wanted Noel to do a solo album with Nigel Godrich. He is one of the best out there and the results would be interesting to say the least. I think Dave Sardy did a good job with HFB but it is time to move on, try something new. Three albums with Dave is enough.
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Post by matt on Jan 22, 2013 16:36:18 GMT -5
I love the AA mixes. Very disappointed there was no follow up. Granted, I can understand if he didn't want unheard conventional tunes going on there first, but as an accompaniment to versions on the original High Flying Birds it would have been great. I loved the wide musical palette that was on offer, something which was a world away from the latter day unambitious Oasis tunes which consisted of just guitars - that got really tedious especially as the quality wasn't the great great standard of their prime (hell, even in their prime they could offer something simple as strings even!). Who knows if Noel bottled it or it genuinely wasn't that great. Noel has a tendency to dabble in something different but he has yet to go full blown out there with something 'new'. And the frustrating thing is, he can definitely do it. Numerous examples prove this - the odd experimental touch on songs like Gas Panic, Setting Sun with the Chemical Brothers, these AA mixes, Teotihuacan from The X Files movie, The Hindu Times demo which showed potential. He also hired Death In Vegas to produce what would be Don't Believe The Truth - and perhaps with more time spent with them and writing tunes could have resulted in a real re-birth of Oasis. All this shows a desire to do something different, though with Noel I think it takes that 'leap of faith', something which he has yet to do. The fear is with every passing album he works with a yes-man dull middle of the road producer like Dave Sardy, the less likely he is to opt for something different. Who knows, if Beady Eye's new album is a success and is different as it has been made out to be, it might prompt Noel to try something new. Who would have thought it, but it might very well be Liam to be the first to take that leap of faith... Yes, it is a shame many of the more artistic collaborations never materialized. I REALLY wanted the Death In Vegas sessions to work. I was also DYING to hear this AA album more so than the HFBs one. Since the days of Ok Computer, I've always wanted Noel to do a solo album with Nigel Godrich. He is one of the best out there and the results would be interesting to say the least. I think Dave Sardy did a good job with HFB but it is time to move on, try something new. Three albums with Dave is enough. Nigel Godrich is a great producer, as Radiohead will prove. However, I don't think he would be the one for Noel. Godrich produced three Travis albums (The Man Who, The Invisible Band and Boy With No Name) and there's no progression on there at all. Granted, I do love Travis and those albums, and the production is very good but I think you'd need a producer who will really take the bull by the horns.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jan 22, 2013 16:43:04 GMT -5
Yes, it is a shame many of the more artistic collaborations never materialized. I REALLY wanted the Death In Vegas sessions to work. I was also DYING to hear this AA album more so than the HFBs one. Since the days of Ok Computer, I've always wanted Noel to do a solo album with Nigel Godrich. He is one of the best out there and the results would be interesting to say the least. I think Dave Sardy did a good job with HFB but it is time to move on, try something new. Three albums with Dave is enough. Nigel Godrich is a great producer, as Radiohead will prove. However, I don't think he would be the one for Noel. Godrich produced three Travis albums (The Man Who, The Invisible Band and Boy With No Name) and there's no progression on there at all. Granted, I do love Travis and those albums, and the production is very good but I think you'd need a producer who will really take the bull by the horns. I guess in my head I was picturing a Noel acoustic album with Nigel doing for Noel what he did for Beck on Sea Change. A fantastic album and total 180 for Beck coming off Odelay/Mutations/Midnite Vultures.
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Post by KRRRRRRR on Jan 22, 2013 17:11:57 GMT -5
Yes, it is a shame many of the more artistic collaborations never materialized. I REALLY wanted the Death In Vegas sessions to work. I was also DYING to hear this AA album more so than the HFBs one. Since the days of Ok Computer, I've always wanted Noel to do a solo album with Nigel Godrich. He is one of the best out there and the results would be interesting to say the least. I think Dave Sardy did a good job with HFB but it is time to move on, try something new. Three albums with Dave is enough. Nigel Godrich is a great producer, as Radiohead will prove. However, I don't think he would be the one for Noel. Godrich produced three Travis albums (The Man Who, The Invisible Band and Boy With No Name) and there's no progression on there at all. Granted, I do love Travis and those albums, and the production is very good but I think you'd need a producer who will really take the bull by the horns. I would blame Travis for that more than Godrich. No knock on Travis as I enjoy all three of those records to this day, but they're formulaic in their approach to songwriting and arranging. I also think Noel can be formulaic, but he's clearly open to changing things up since he's left Oasis. Godrich's first work with Radiohead was the My Iron Lung EP and has been with them since and if any band "has gone other places" since they started with a specific producer, its them. Look at Godrich's breadth of work on whole. Macca, U2, Beck, etc. The dude is a beast. If anything, it'd be a helluva step up from one trick pony Dave Sardy, who is about as boring a producer as one can find.
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Post by matt on Jan 22, 2013 17:42:33 GMT -5
Nigel Godrich is a great producer, as Radiohead will prove. However, I don't think he would be the one for Noel. Godrich produced three Travis albums (The Man Who, The Invisible Band and Boy With No Name) and there's no progression on there at all. Granted, I do love Travis and those albums, and the production is very good but I think you'd need a producer who will really take the bull by the horns. I would blame Travis for that more than Godrich. No knock on Travis as I enjoy all three of those records to this day, but they're formulaic in their approach to songwriting and arranging. I also think Noel can be formulaic, but he's clearly open to changing things up since he's left Oasis. Godrich's first work with Radiohead was the My Iron Lung EP and has been with them since and if any band "has gone other places" since they started with a specific producer, its them. Look at Godrich's breadth of work on whole. Macca, U2, Beck, etc. The dude is a beast. If anything, it'd be a helluva step up from one trick pony Dave Sardy, who is about as boring a producer as one can find. I completely agree with both of you. Completely forgot he did that Beck album (Beck's best album by the way). Travis are very conventional and I've never heard anything different from them (apart from that brutally bleak hidden track on the end of The Man Who), but with Noel we have heard something different from time to time, so arguably proof that Nigel Godrich could nurture that in him. Problem is, he's well within his comfort zone with dull men like Dave Sardy, and I'm not sure if he could really delegate control to be honest - a strength on the old Oasis albums but a constrain on much of their later work.
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Post by redlandsman87 on Jan 22, 2013 17:54:42 GMT -5
It wasn't that they, the remixes, were bad per se, it's that they were extremely formulaic and boring about the fourth time over.
Falling Down? A brilliant 22-min collage, exploring different sound scapes, ideas and production. Spot on. Best part was the piano bit.
Shoot A Hole Into The Sun? Initially exciting, quicker in it's delivery...but it didn't sway much and didn't offer anything NEW in terms of their remixing. Same old sitar, swirling atmosphere, same female jazz/advant gard singer. It was everything we'd already heard, but the with most exciting bits taken out. The best part? Well, the radical departure from the original recording...even more shocking than the previous remix due to it's insane departure. The song even changes genre...love ballad to free form jazz.
What A Life!...THE worst of the bunch. SAME production, same sitar, same female backup singer, (who is nice on a first listen but upon repeat is kind of aggravating) no new tricks whatsoever, nothing exciting or mesmerizing like the first remix or surprising by it's indifference to the source material...but LOADED with loooong winded dead filler sounds and unnecessary repetition of the ALREADY bare-bones lyrics. The song has two short verses with a repetitious chorus...did it really warrant a 16 minute remix? Booooooring. WAL in and of itself was already a "remix" of sorts, really. The best part? The laser-gun solo.
Whatever traction he had gained with the first two remixes, which were acceptable, was completely lost once the third track was heard. Most everyone thought AA were a one trick pony, for Noel at this point, unable or unwilling to change their formula and because of such, were quite uninteresting and boring despite trying so very hard to be "radical" and "exciting".
I fully expect that if a fourth track is ever released by Noel and AA, it will sound IDENTICAL in its production and trickery to the first three. Nothing new, nothing exciting, just the same old, same old.
It was great at first, but died a quick death.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jan 22, 2013 18:00:37 GMT -5
It wasn't that they, the remixes, were bad per se, it's that they were extremely formulaic and boring about the fourth time over. Falling Down? A brilliant 22-min collage, exploring different sound scapes, ideas and production. Spot on. Best part was the piano bit. Shoot A Hole Into The Sun? Initially exciting, quicker in it's delivery...but it didn't sway much and didn't offer anything NEW in terms of their remixing. Same old sitar, swirling atmosphere, same female jazz/advant gard singer. It was everything we'd already heard, but the with most exciting bits taken out. The best part? Well, the radical departure from the original recording...even more shocking than the previous remix due to it's insane departure. The song even changes genre...love ballad to free form jazz. What A Life!...THE worst of the bunch. SAME production, same sitar, same female backup singer, (who is nice on a first listen but upon repeat is kind of aggravating) no new tricks whatsoever, nothing exciting or mesmerizing like the first remix or surprising by it's indifference to the source material...but LOADED with loooong winded dead filler sounds and unnecessary repetition of the ALREADY bare-bones lyrics. The song has two short verses with a repetitious chorus...did it really warrant a 16 minute remix? Booooooring. WAL in and of itself was already a "remix" of sorts, really. The best part? The laser-gun solo. Whatever traction he had gained with the first two remixes, which were acceptable, was completely lost once the third track was heard. Most everyone thought AA were a one trick pony, for Noel at this point, unable or unwilling to change their formula and because of such, were quite uninteresting and boring despite trying so very hard to be "radical" and "exciting". I fully expect that if a fourth track is ever released by Noel and AA, it will sound IDENTICAL in its production and trickery to the first three. Nothing new, nothing exciting, just the same old, same old. It was great at first, but died a quick death. Well we did sorta hear TDOYAM AA remix in the 3 video trilogy. A lot of whistling to say the least. It seemed promising.
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Post by matt on Jan 22, 2013 18:24:39 GMT -5
It wasn't that they, the remixes, were bad per se, it's that they were extremely formulaic and boring about the fourth time over. Falling Down? A brilliant 22-min collage, exploring different sound scapes, ideas and production. Spot on. Best part was the piano bit. Shoot A Hole Into The Sun? Initially exciting, quicker in it's delivery...but it didn't sway much and didn't offer anything NEW in terms of their remixing. Same old sitar, swirling atmosphere, same female jazz/advant gard singer. It was everything we'd already heard, but the with most exciting bits taken out. The best part? Well, the radical departure from the original recording...even more shocking than the previous remix due to it's insane departure. The song even changes genre...love ballad to free form jazz. What A Life!...THE worst of the bunch. SAME production, same sitar, same female backup singer, (who is nice on a first listen but upon repeat is kind of aggravating) no new tricks whatsoever, nothing exciting or mesmerizing like the first remix or surprising by it's indifference to the source material...but LOADED with loooong winded dead filler sounds and unnecessary repetition of the ALREADY bare-bones lyrics. The song has two short verses with a repetitious chorus...did it really warrant a 16 minute remix? Booooooring. WAL in and of itself was already a "remix" of sorts, really. The best part? The laser-gun solo. Whatever traction he had gained with the first two remixes, which were acceptable, was completely lost once the third track was heard. Most everyone thought AA were a one trick pony, for Noel at this point, unable or unwilling to change their formula and because of such, were quite uninteresting and boring despite trying so very hard to be "radical" and "exciting". I fully expect that if a fourth track is ever released by Noel and AA, it will sound IDENTICAL in its production and trickery to the first three. Nothing new, nothing exciting, just the same old, same old. It was great at first, but died a quick death. It would have been interesting to hear it at least - all we were asking for was a companion piece. Again, I'd prefer 'experimenting' to be something completely different from this but you're points of AA potentially being one trick ponies for a whole album may be pertinent.
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Post by redlandsman87 on Jan 22, 2013 18:36:01 GMT -5
True, I'd love to hear it myself.
Err...mind refreshing me where that bit is, the TDOYAM AA snippet actually? Been awhile since I've watched Ride The Tiger and don't rightly care to sit through it for another twenty minutes lol. Can't recall that one at all, sorry to say!
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jan 22, 2013 18:44:32 GMT -5
True, I'd love to hear it myself. Err...mind refreshing me where that bit is, the TDOYAM AA snippet actually? Been awhile since I've watched Ride The Tiger and don't rightly care to sit through it for another twenty minutes lol. Can't recall that one at all, sorry to say! Try the first 45 seconds or so of this video. The remix again appears at the end around the 7:45 mark.
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Post by redlandsman87 on Jan 22, 2013 18:50:15 GMT -5
Taking back my word, just watched Ride the Tiger, only to see it was at the last 45 seconds of THAT vid...woulda saved myself a lotta time had I just watched that one.
Second best of all the remixes insofar.
DAMN was Noel trying to gain a wider American audience with these films...cowboys, guns, partial nudity, juxtaposition of arid American/California landscapes, US flag bikini's, Russel Brand (It's NOEL GALLA'HER!), it's like he took every stereotype and mashed up into one big orgy of an outsiders look on patriotism and western/midwest US culture...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2013 19:08:45 GMT -5
I loved the Falling Down AA remix. Haven't really given the others a good listen since they were released to be honest, though I haven't really listened to Noel's album since it was released.
My biggest problem is that it seems like it's all or nothing with Noel. Either a regular tune like If I Had a Gun or a completely out there remix of it. Why can't he learn to experiment inside the boundaries of pop music? I know he listens to a wide range of music, especially from the 60s and 70s... Would it be such a crime to ask him to rip off Kevin Ayers?
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Post by Headmaster on Jan 22, 2013 20:13:28 GMT -5
An album full of FD AA remix would be exhausting for Noel, these things are great on an album, but live, how he would play it all live? Imagine Shoot a Hole Into the Sun live, Noel would get tired very quickly of it.
IMO he can mix his melodies with AA production, Noel already tried this with Spike Stent with SOTSOG, this way can be great
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Post by KRRRRRRR on Jan 22, 2013 20:54:02 GMT -5
An album full of FD AA remix would be exhausting for Noel, these things are great on an album, but live, how he would play it all live? Imagine Shoot a Hole Into the Sun live, Noel would get tired very quickly of it. IMO he can mix his melodies with AA production, Noel already tried this with Spike Stent with SOTSOG, this way can be great Something like an AA record (as was rumored) is not meant to be played live. It's a different type of beast. I have no doubts that there'd be some tracks on it that could be fashioned to a live performance, but I look at the AA project that he talked about before NGHFB dropped as more of an album-only experience. You don't have to tour every record.
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Post by gdforever on Jan 23, 2013 1:30:13 GMT -5
It wasn't that they, the remixes, were bad per se, it's that they were extremely formulaic and boring about the fourth time over. Falling Down? A brilliant 22-min collage, exploring different sound scapes, ideas and production. Spot on. Best part was the piano bit. Shoot A Hole Into The Sun? Initially exciting, quicker in it's delivery...but it didn't sway much and didn't offer anything NEW in terms of their remixing. Same old sitar, swirling atmosphere, same female jazz/advant gard singer. It was everything we'd already heard, but the with most exciting bits taken out. The best part? Well, the radical departure from the original recording...even more shocking than the previous remix due to it's insane departure. The song even changes genre...love ballad to free form jazz. What A Life!...THE worst of the bunch. SAME production, same sitar, same female backup singer, (who is nice on a first listen but upon repeat is kind of aggravating) no new tricks whatsoever, nothing exciting or mesmerizing like the first remix or surprising by it's indifference to the source material...but LOADED with loooong winded dead filler sounds and unnecessary repetition of the ALREADY bare-bones lyrics. The song has two short verses with a repetitious chorus...did it really warrant a 16 minute remix? Booooooring. WAL in and of itself was already a "remix" of sorts, really. The best part? The laser-gun solo. Whatever traction he had gained with the first two remixes, which were acceptable, was completely lost once the third track was heard. Most everyone thought AA were a one trick pony, for Noel at this point, unable or unwilling to change their formula and because of such, were quite uninteresting and boring despite trying so very hard to be "radical" and "exciting". I fully expect that if a fourth track is ever released by Noel and AA, it will sound IDENTICAL in its production and trickery to the first three. Nothing new, nothing exciting, just the same old, same old. It was great at first, but died a quick death. Unfortunately definitely this.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2013 13:20:53 GMT -5
I don't know eh? I was expecting from Noel something like A Monstrous Psychedellic Bubble...kind of a concept album, rather than a original song remade into this kind of musical collage.
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Post by gdforever on Jan 24, 2013 13:34:48 GMT -5
I don't know eh? I was expecting from Noel something like A Monstrous Psychedellic Bubble...kind of a concept album, rather than a original song remade into this kind of musical collage. A musical collage is a great way to describe it. A pity that it didn't turn out. But if the rest of the album was worse than the WAL remix maybe it's better off binned.
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Post by fabulousbakers on Jan 25, 2013 13:35:54 GMT -5
...Falling Down? A brilliant 22-min collage, exploring different sound scapes, ideas and production. Spot on. Best part was the piano bit... I agree with you there - that piano section was spine tingling. I've quite enjoyed the AA mixes but can't stand it when the female voices kick in. Remix the track, add instrumentation to the track, bend, twist and distort the lead vocal - but don't compete with the lead vocalist but adding lead vocalists of your own. It's like listening to Dylan and Baez sing together - it just doesn't work. My wife and kids will happily let me play Oasis and Noel Gallagher through the house, but the minute that wailing operatic female AA singer starts up they run over and turn the stereo off.
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