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Post by holdonecho on Oct 4, 2005 4:05:03 GMT -5
Like most of you, I have been following oasis since the dm days. back then, and for the first three albums, oasis was noel's songs as sung by liam (with noel keeping a couple for himself to sing). and things were good. things were great. then came the crash of '97. and our hero lost the plot. he encouraged his illiterate brother to write a song about toys that make noise... they tagged it with some na, na, na's and the monster was unleashed. and then suddenly he of the limited vocabulary and musical breadth that could be contained on the back of a lennon postage stamp decided he was going to mash out tunes by the dozen. by the fuckin hundred rainbows, railroads and i don't want to be a soldier re-writes. why did the chief encourage him?? liam was the face and the voice. noel is a student of rock history...did he not cringe when daltry and jagger picked up guitars? does he not recognize his talent? why noel did you encourage your brother? look what you've done. am i the only one who feels this way?  |
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Post by Elias on Oct 4, 2005 6:26:15 GMT -5
Liam's tunes saved HC from being a complete mess.
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Post by chocolate st*rfish on Oct 4, 2005 7:42:09 GMT -5
am i the only one who feels this way? no offense here. but i believe, the answer is yes |
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Post by NoelandMeMay29 on Oct 4, 2005 11:36:18 GMT -5
The thing is a 'rainbow' is cool and it's called a 'rainbow'.
Sometimes certain words 'sound' basic or simple b/c they simply are.
'Little James' was written for and about a child. When we lose sight of that we cringe on the 'noise-toys' line.
I'd like to see Radiohead write a song not just about a child but for a child and have everyone scratching their heads on what in the hell they are talking about.
Remember the 'Chief' has givin us:
'The sink is full of fishes
Cos she's got dirty dishes on the brain'
and from 'Take Me Away'
'So take me away
Just for today
Cos I'm sat here on my own
I'd like to be
Under the sea
Where they'd probaly need a phone'
& of course...
'I can see aliar
sitting by the fire'
Maybe LJ should have been a 'B' side and LAMB or One Way Road substituted but LJ isn't all that bad.
Better than PYMWYMI
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Post by holdonecho on Oct 4, 2005 11:58:19 GMT -5
in response to some of the above...
liam's tunes didn't save hc, they just added to the quagmire. A couple of years removed and it becomes apparent that hc was the absolute nadir of oasis recordings.
it could be argued that there are only two great songs on it (ht and scyho)...liam's contributions ranged from the jam-durge of better man to the simple throw away of songbird to the laboured pastiche of BOADC. He has good musical taste (ie lennon, lennon, lennon) but i think a lot of you guys are seriously over rating his stuff (i hear original stuff on this message board that would give his stuff a run for his money). I know a lot of you would disagree but i really believe that hc would have been better if you've got the heart of a star and shout it out loud had replaced bm and boadc.
Sometimes I think that after Little James we had such low expectations for him so that when his hc stuff came out we were caught by surprise.
which brings me full circle to little james. noelandme you make some very valid points. Certainly no one is going to ever confuse noel with dylan (although, i personally like the some might say lyric that you quoted...but yeah, fire...liar...ugh). And yeah, i agree there is nothing in the oasis cannon that can compare with PYMWYMI as far as its lame quotient but what i'm saying is that noel should never have coddled liam's ego by letting him record little james...it was what opened the door to his 'prolific' writing...
according to chocolate starfish, i am alone in this belief, but i really think that having liam contributing so much is seriously watering down the product.
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Post by His Royal Majesty Revolver on Oct 4, 2005 11:59:18 GMT -5
Liam's songwriting is refreshing
You have to face the music that Oasis will never be what it was before 1998. That's done. Now we've got four songwriters. And I would say that Liam's songs are not the weakest off the album
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Post by carlm on Oct 4, 2005 12:47:14 GMT -5
Little James is a pretty cool song, if you disregard the lyrics. Sounds a bit like Who Feels Love.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2005 13:42:39 GMT -5
I think Liam redemned himself with Songbird,BOADC,GGTIA,TMOS,and PMDTW(Best B-Side from DBTT yet).
As later Oasis fan I bought Heathen Chemistry before SotSoG and I was still amazed by Liam's songwriting talent.He's no Noel but he is a good songwriter.
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Post by Clint on Oct 4, 2005 13:53:09 GMT -5
Yeah Liam's a good songwriter.
Just to ask, I heard he wrote the words for Columbia...true?
And Born on a different cloud is my favorite song from HC. I just love the feel of it
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Post by holdonecho on Oct 4, 2005 13:59:28 GMT -5
I think i remember reading that he stumbled onto some of the words from columbia...but that could be an oasis urban legend.
and shortdude, how do you compare BOADC to Happiness is a warm gun...b/c to be honest I can't listen to it without feeling like I'm listening to a pale imitation of that song.
probably just me tho.
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Post by NoelandMeMay29 on Oct 4, 2005 16:32:51 GMT -5
rumour has it that Liam came up with
'I can't tell you the way I feel, because the way I feel is oh so new to me'
from Columbia.
Anyway,
As far as Liam is concerned, he won't get away with things that Noel does (Surfer Rosa from the Pixies) becomes Supernova and Champagne making is on the television. Noel put them together and walla!!!! a great song that doesn't mean anything.
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Post by wolffman on Oct 4, 2005 18:27:27 GMT -5
rumour has it that Liam came up with 'I can't tell you the way I feel, because the way I feel is oh so new to me' Best Oasis line no doubt... anyway... Liam really has written some strong songs on DBTT. GGTIA is VERY good, top on the album for sure. |
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Post by Moorish on Oct 5, 2005 4:27:49 GMT -5
Little James is a bit shite, obviously. It wouldn't be so bad but for the toys/noise line and the fact it tries to hard to be like The Beatles (at that point Oasis should have been trying to get AWAY from the Beatles comparisons).
Songbird is fucking great. GGTIA is fucking great.
Those two tunes alone make his writing worthwhile.
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Post by themanwithnoname on Oct 5, 2005 4:48:28 GMT -5
I have to agree with holdonecho to some degree. If we look at Liam's songs so far I would have to say the majority of them are pretty poor to be quite honest. I think this is principally down to the fact that he is so obsessed with John Lennon that he is writing sub-Lennon tunes on which he does his best Lennon impression. That's not what made Oasis great. Liam should be singing Oasis songs in his own voice - that's why everyone got into them in the first place.
Liam good (IMO): Guess God Thinks I'm Abel; Pass Me Down The Wine
Liam average (IMO): Songbird
Liam bad (IMO): Little James; Better Man; Born On A Different Cloud; Meaning Of Soul; Love Like A Bomb.
I think one of the main reasons that Liam has been allowed to have more songs on the album and encouraged to write more is the stark fact that Noel has started to run out of songs. If you compare his output from 94-96 (although I know a lot of these were written over a number of years) to the last eight or so you would have to be a tone deaf idiot or totally blinkered, sycophantic Oasis fan not to admit that his standard of songwriting has dipped quite considerably.
So the simple truth, to me at least, is that Noel has no option but to allow Liam to write more and have more songs on the albums, even if they aren't that great.
The band likes to say it is a democracy these days and everyone's songs have an equal chance of being on the album, it's just a bit sad that the songwriter with the best track record (ie Noel) is not dominating the albums these days because he's not regularly coming out with tunes that are up to the standards he set in the past.
Just my opinion.
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Post by webm@ster on Oct 5, 2005 15:36:46 GMT -5
GGTIA = superb song writing
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Post by giggergrl on Oct 5, 2005 15:54:21 GMT -5
from a bird's point of view ... Liam's songs knock your socks off ! Song Bird is one of the most beautiful songs written in the past 10 years or so... I'll have you know that it is one of my daughter's favorite songs... yeah she is 6 but she loves oasis, stone roses, motown, the beatles.. etc.. ~ I think liam's other songs on HC were superb as well - better man, BOADC... As far as DBTT - I was blooooooooooooown away by LLAB, GGTIA and TMOS ! I didn't think he had it in him ! but he proved me wrong.. Trust me from a ladie's point of view Liam's songs are raw and forthright..  they make you wanna _______ uh... erhh... ;D   |
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Post by holdonecho on Oct 5, 2005 21:58:15 GMT -5
from a bird's point of view ... Liam's songs knock your socks off ! Song Bird is one of the most beautiful songs written in the past 10 years or so... I'll have you know that it is one of my daughter's favorite songs... yeah she is 6 but she loves oasis, stone roses, motown, the beatles.. etc.. ~ I think liam's other songs on HC were superb as well - better man, BOADC... As far as DBTT - I was blooooooooooooown away by LLAB, GGTIA and TMOS ! I didn't think he had it in him ! but he proved me wrong.. Trust me from a ladie's point of view Liam's songs are raw and forthright.. they make you wanna _______ uh... erhh... ;D ok here is the thing tam... you gotta ask yourself if you are in love with him or in love with the idea of love itself. also, you know when you are in love it is very easy to be blind to your loved ones faults... perhaps you are to close to the subject matter. Maybe you have such an affinity to all things liam that it is impossible for you to make an objective call on his music... sometimes when you really want, you can make yourself believe anything. or maybe i'm just talking out of my ass  ;D |
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Post by His Royal Majesty Revolver on Oct 5, 2005 22:29:54 GMT -5
Little James is weak
Better Man is weak
Everything else is amazing
If anything it's Noel's tune that lack on the newest album
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Post by Mogly on Oct 5, 2005 23:19:11 GMT -5
I really think Liam is a very good writer and it was a good move by noel to encourage his songwriting. The tune itself for Little James is fantastic, sure the words are very weak but I still love the tune. For Heathen Chemistry Liam really got into songwriting and came up with Songbird which I love, it's only 2 very basic chords but the words are really touching, his voice is great, the piano is fantastic; I love that song. BOADC and BM I don't like a lot but I think the chief himself has written weaker stuff like All in the Mind.
Now for DBTT Liam claims he wrote over a 100 songs and so far I like a lot what we have heard. MOS is amazing, it's a very good song. GGTIA we all know is a gem, an oasis classic in my opinion. LLAB is a very enjoyable song, it's just a good pop song. The 2 b-sides PMDTW and WLYD are very good, although I would agree WLYD is a lennon pastiche.
I really think that Liam's songwriting is very good and it's still getting better and it's one of the reasons Oasis is still alive. Liam is much more interested in the band since he's writing songs
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Post by Moorish on Oct 6, 2005 11:37:50 GMT -5
01. Little James - fine song, apart from the too obvious Beatles "na-na's" and the cringingly bad "toys/noise" couplet, which really does let it down.
02. Songbird - brilliant. 'Nuff said.
03. Born On A Different Cloud - excellent tune, GREAT lyrics. Again a bit overboard with the Lennonisms but fuck it, it's a top song.
04. Better Man - for me, a "meh" song. Is fine. Not awful. Not great. Starts, goes along the same for a bit. Ends.
05. Won't Let You Down - good tune, again a bit too Lennon but still solid. Vocals not the best, production wise.
06. Love Like A Bomb - a potentially great song rendered merely very good by lousy production and an overly raspy Liam vocal.
07. The Meaning Of Soul - absolutely rocking song (THIS is where the rasps are good!), great vibe to it.
08. Guess God Thinks I'm Abel - beautiful. One of the best songs on the album, IMO.
09. Pass Me Down The Wine - great song, with a nice change of pace with the first non-sampled (or live recording) singing of the word "fuck" during an Oasis song.
For my money there's more good there than bad.
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Post by Professor Cakes on Oct 8, 2005 6:38:08 GMT -5
You're forgetting "Take Me" which is fucking awesome, and "Life in Vain" which is a bag of wank.
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Post by LDD- Angelic Child on Oct 8, 2005 9:10:39 GMT -5
I'm agreeing with Vez.. but am i the only person who likes Better Man?
It's a great tune..
I also like Meaning of Soul... it's my angry song.
Liam's writing is definitely getting better
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Post by Moorish on Oct 9, 2005 16:13:38 GMT -5
You're forgetting "Take Me" which is fucking awesome, and "Life in Vain" which is a bag of wank. No I didn't forget them, as they've not been officially released I didn't see any reason to count them, plus I'm not too big a fan of either of them, I think Liam's early vocals on them (whiney, out-of-tune-like-Ian-Brown-style) are shit. |
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