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Post by holdonecho on Sept 24, 2005 19:53:58 GMT -5
So four months into DBTT and i find myself still enjoying the experience.
I've been around for all the albums and must say that this one has stuck around longer then any of the other ones (save for DM).
One thing that has sort of become obvious to me is how Noel's songs have towered over the others.
That is not to say that the other's contributions arent good it is just that they are missing that certain magic that come along with noel's songs (well ones that arent titled 'put your money where your mouth is' ;D)
when they first came out i quite liked turn up the sun, ktda and GGTIA and while i still enjoy them i find that my love has begun to wane.
all of noel's songs have continued to grow on me...even the ones that didn't first pull me in (lyla, potq) have grown serious roots in my soul.
I really think that oasis would be better served if they kept non noel songs to a minimum (no more then three per album) in the future.
How amazing would DBTT have been if Who put the weight of the world on my shoulders, stop the clocks and a couple of other noel penned songs would have replaced a bell will ring, meaning of soul and llab?
just my thoughts.
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Post by carlm on Sept 24, 2005 20:31:05 GMT -5
How do you know Stop The Clocks is so good?
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Post by holdonecho on Sept 24, 2005 20:49:05 GMT -5
How do you know Stop The Clocks is so good? well, with noel's track record I think it is a good bet. |
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Post by Clint on Sept 25, 2005 1:19:21 GMT -5
I think Liam's fantastic. I love Guess God Thinks I'm Abel.
And he wrote the best song of HC, BOADC. It had soul. None of the others did.
But I don't think Gem and Andy are that amazing. KTDA is sort of corny. Turn Up the sun is mediocre. A Bell will ring is ok. They have decent songs, but not amazing ones like POTQ, IOBI, LTBL, MF.
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Post by seanppp on Sept 25, 2005 13:14:34 GMT -5
ABWR is the best song on the album. Gem's the second best songwriter in the group.
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Post by bigdaddy on Sept 25, 2005 13:23:14 GMT -5
I think the more songwriters the better, not so much pressure on Noel then!
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Post by bagel on Sept 25, 2005 19:42:11 GMT -5
I completely agree with holdonecho. I don't think anyone could possibly suggest Noel Gallagher isn't the best songwriter in Oasis. His track record so completely blows the other three away its not even worth comparing. If anything, the contributions of the others only enables Noel's laziness which, to me, is the biggest problem with present-day Oasis.
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Post by jlzoasis on Sept 25, 2005 20:41:51 GMT -5
well if you think about it... if Noel went back to writing ALL the songs... he would be 1. Stressed out and moody second of all ..he recored his BEST songs for DBTT... would you rather have 5 of Noels best tunes and 6 shitty ones? Noel can't write WHOLE albums anymore, it was totally messing with his head. I would much rather have noels best tunes, Liam's best tunes, Gem's best tune, and Andy's best tunes. its different, it make the band interesting.. Imagine if Noel wrote DBTT all about being idle and standing on queues? Liam, gem and andy give the band dynamics, Noel as said if it wasn't for gem and andy Oasis wouldn't still be here today.
By the way...Keep the Dream Alive is fanastic!!!!!!!!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2005 20:49:40 GMT -5
if we waited for noel to write a albums worth of new material this record would not have been made..while i respect your opinion HONCHO (AND AGREE HE IS THE BEST SONGWRITER IN THE BAND) his period of writing tons of songs are over ..he has admitadtlly said songs dont come as easy as they used too, so FOR THE NEW ERA WE NEED LIAM,GEM ,ANDY .. NOEL will write 4 or 5 quality tunes and they can write like 5 between them ..face it if we depend on NOEL ONLY the next lp truly wont be till 2010...jmo
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Post by giggergrl on Sept 25, 2005 21:25:39 GMT -5
i see what ya mean BUT - noel has said that you just can't keep writing top tunes at the same rate... ie the dreaded example - look at macca's tunes over time.. I mean after wings c'mon now...
~ In my book, Noel's tunes on DBTT far superceded what I expected.. Blown away by TIOBI, POTQ, MF and LTBT <--- which shld be song of the year in the entire universe !
~ Liam is really writing some great tunes.. songbird, LLAB, GGTIA, timless in my book... beautiful... It's about time !
~ Liam said without andy and gem they'd be treadin water a bit. I think he's right...
~ Noel is not who he once was... he's a father now and all and in his late 30's...
~ they'll be back by 08, they got the songs stockpiled so we hear...
~I still believe noel will go onto an acoustic solo career down the road and I look fwd to the flights to london to see him at smaller intimate gigs ;D
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Post by Mogly on Sept 25, 2005 21:46:14 GMT -5
noel is the best songwriter in the band but liam songs on DBTT are very good, and Gem and Andy can also write top tunes I love ABWR and KTDA. it's always good to hear stuff from eveyone in the band. it feels more like Oasis and not like Noel & co. I mean compare the stuff Noel wrote for this album with his songs for SOTSOG.... the new songs really are uplifting and have soul. I really rather have 5 or 6 songs by noel like the ones he wrote for DBTT than 10 depressing and lackluster songs like on SOTSOG.
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Post by Mogly on Sept 25, 2005 21:47:46 GMT -5
oasis is all about uplifting your spirit and they finally remembered that for this album. I think it's becauseof the shared songwriting duties
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Post by holdonecho on Sept 26, 2005 12:49:36 GMT -5
you guys who think that oasis should continue with their shared song writing approach make very valid points.
you are absolutely correct when you point out that noel isn't as prolific as he used to be.
and yes the others are capable, and should be allowed to add a tune or three per album.
but for history sake, noel must take firmer control of the band's song writing.
the fact is...
SOTSOG would have been better if Lets All Make Believe had replaced Little James
HC would have been improved if Quick Peep and Better Man had been replaced with Shout It out Loud and Idlers Dream.
DBTT would sound better if Who put the weight of the world had taken precedence over LLAB (or ABWR or KTDA)
and as for his output not being what it once was...
I think that Noel needs to have pressure to create.
don't forget that he wrote many (if not most) of his masterpieces after they were signed to creation and him and liam bragged to mcgee that they had 'hundreds' of fantastic songs (when they in fact had had written six or seven that would end up on dm,wtsmg and bhn)
also, the vast majority of his dbtt songs (iopi, potq, mf and the re-write of ltbl) were written after the death in vegas sessions when he realized that they didnt have the songs.
noel...write the fucking songs.
Yeah, we may have to wait a little longer, but the tunes that comprise the albums will be that much better.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2005 17:11:32 GMT -5
you guys who think that oasis should continue with their shared song writing approach make very valid points. you are absolutely correct when you point out that noel isn't as prolific as he used to be. and yes the others are capable, and should be allowed to add a tune or three per album. but for history sake, noel must take firmer control of the band's song writing. the fact is... SOTSOG would have been better if Lets All Make Believe had replaced Little James HC would have been improved if Quick Peep and Better Man had been replaced with Shout It out Loud and Idlers Dream. DBTT would sound better if Who put the weight of the world had taken precedence over LLAB (or ABWR or KTDA) and as for his output not being what it once was... I think that Noel needs to have pressure to create. don't forget that he wrote many (if not most) of his masterpieces after they were signed to creation and him and liam bragged to mcgee that they had 'hundreds' of fantastic songs (when they in fact had had written six or seven that would end up on dm,wtsmg and bhn) also, the vast majority of his dbtt songs (iopi, potq, mf and the re-write of ltbl) were written after the death in vegas sessions when he realized that they didnt have the songs. noel...write the fucking songs. Yeah, we may have to wait a little longer, but the tunes that comprise the albums will be that much better. very good point..cant say i disagree.....mate you only got 140 posts since 02 ..you are obviously a knowlegable music guy , contribute more man  |
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Post by Elias on Sept 26, 2005 18:30:16 GMT -5
I don't like this notion that Noel SHOULD be the primary songwriter. It'd be far too contrived, if the quality is coming from elsewhere then it shouldn't matter. The quality of songs is subjective anyway - I think Weight Of The World is one of the most boring songs he's wriiten for example.
I disagree about Noel writing most of his songs after signing to Creation as well. Since all the bravado of the early years Noel has alluded to the fact that he had most of the first two albums and b-sides written before they signed.
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Post by jlzoasis on Sept 26, 2005 19:30:42 GMT -5
SOTSOG would have been better if Lets All Make Believe had replaced Little James Are you actully defending Put your money where your mouth is and I can see a liar? Cos I wouldn't consider that noel finest work. If they were going to get all depressing on us, they should have gone full blast replaced both those song with LAMB and cigs in hell...NOT little james...alright everyone knows Little james is a bit shit, but Noel put it on the record cos he had to show Liam he had faith in him to write. I mean you can't think Liam would go all these years without starting to write... there is the matter of keeping the peace with in the band. you can't have 4 songwriters(mine you two of them were the "noel"s of there former bands) in the band and tell them you can't write. Its just not going to happen....plus I really don't feel like waiting till 2010 for the next record... |
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Post by holdonecho on Sept 26, 2005 22:47:04 GMT -5
I don't like this notion that Noel SHOULD be the primary songwriter. It'd be far too contrived, if the quality is coming from elsewhere then it shouldn't matter. The quality of songs is subjective anyway - I think Weight Of The World is one of the most boring songs he's wriiten for example. I disagree about Noel writing most of his songs after signing to Creation as well. Since all the bravado of the early years Noel has alluded to the fact that he had most of the first two albums and b-sides written before they signed. from most sources it would appear that noel wrote a large chunk of the songs that would end up on the first three albums from the time they were signed (early 93) and while they were touring dm. nothing concrete, and i'm doing this off the top of my head, so this list is far from exhaustive but i believe the following songs were written before they signed... live forever, columbia, all around the world, bring it on down, going nowhere, up in the sky, and maybe a few others but i still contend (based on info obtained from interviews with noel over the years) that the bulk of the songs were written after they signed. i agree that music is absolutely subjective (i have a friend who dislikes a day in the life!!) and yeah, i suppose anyone could follow a formula and come up with a song or two...but for the most part the music that stands the test of time is created by those with musical genius...noel has the gift...the other guys in the band don't...just because liam has the same last name and loves the beatles doesn't mean he has the ability to create timeless music... and hey i aint defending PYMWYMI...that one defies all interpretation...i know that noel put i can see a liar on the album because liam liked it but i have no idea how put your money made the cut. |
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Post by Sterling on Sept 27, 2005 3:23:24 GMT -5
I believe that Noel may be the best lyricist in the band but that does not make the others less good songwriters. Liam contribution to the band has been pretty good. Songbird is a classic and GGTIA is great as well. The new songwriters keep the bands fresh and brings diversity to the mix. Now, it is very difficult to predict how the next record will sound like. As for Andy and Gem, their contribution to the band has been limited so far. However, one has to realize that they are only allowed one or two songs per album. It would be improper to judge their songwriting talents on these songs alone. However, I cannot deny these guys talents. Even Noel respect them as songwriters; if not, Noel would never let them write on an Oasis album. One as to realize that they did not win a beauty contest to be in the band. Noel himself contacted them when he could choose any great musicians in the world. He did not select them because they were the masters of their instruments either (Andy never played bass before he joined the band) but because Noel thought that these guys could give a decent contribution to the band and write good songs as well. So far their contribution to the band as been very good, but they are just guetting started. One has to know that they don't want to change the band's sound and are trying to reflect the oasis vibe in the songs they are writing. As a result, they have to modify their songwriting style so that it fits the band. Give them a couple of more songs to get more comfortable and they will write future classics. Before judging them I think that it will be wise to check their back catalogue to realize why Noel chose specifically these guys when he could have anyone he wanted. I have been introduced to Andy's former band Ride through Oasis; and I can assure you that he has nothing to envy to Noel as a songwriter. One has only to listen to their debut album Nowhere which I consider in my top five albums ever. Vapor Trail is one of the best song ever made, as well are Paralysed, Dreams Burn Down and Here and Now. Andy was only 19 when he wrote them and Ride was Creation most successful band before Oasis signed to this label. Andy's work with Hurricane #1 is mega as well. Just Another Illusion is at least as good as DYKWIM. Monday Afternoon is a heartbreaking ballad were Andy Bell reminisce about the break up of his band Ride and the end of his collaboration with his band mate Mark Gardener. Besides, none can deny the brillance of Step Into My World. I am certain that Andy can still write a lot of classics, just give him the chance. As you can see, I welcome the contribution of other members in the band for many reasons: First, Noel doesn't write as much rockers as he is use to. Apart from The Hindu Time his last great rockers were in BHN. Second, he tends to keep his songs for himself now. In HC he sings half of the songs he wrote and in DBTT he sings in more than half. If he continues like this Liam contribution to the band will be greatly reduced. Third, Noel is not as prolific as he used to be. Now, the classics don't come as easily as before. Therefore I say let Liam , Andy and Gem write songs. If their songs are bad, they will not make the album since Noel himself is the one who chose the tracklist. He will never sabotage an oasis album just to make the bandmembers happy. However, if their songs are better or as good as Noel's less good ones, I don't see why they should not make the albums or the b-sides. The excess of songs means many more albums and b sides to come. A last word for Gem and Andy. I know that they are not original members and that they were not there when Oasis made it big. However, they joined when it was a difficult time for the band, when the band needed to reclaim its throne as the best rock band in the world. They believed and joined when others stop caring and left. They are in the band for five years now. I think we need to be more supportive toward them. They need our support or they will always feel as hired musicians instead of bandmembers. By the way, their contribution on DBTT has been awesome  . |
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Post by holdonecho on Sept 27, 2005 10:42:26 GMT -5
Hey there is no denying that Andy Bell has written some great tunes. Nowhere is a great album and Vapor Trail and Paralyzed are top tunes. I'm not here to bash Gem and Andy (I agree that they need our support to insure that oasis come across as a band rather then noel and liam with faceless back up musicians) but well, Danny Laine was a successful and prolific songwriter before he joined Wings but does that mean that we would have wanted him to write songs instead of McCartney? Yeah, i'd rather have liamgemandy's best stuff over noel's half assed songs but all I'm saying is that at the end of the day...imo...they pale in comparison to all but his most mediocre (ie PYMWYMI  ) stuff. and i don't know why but i am really down on liam's talent as a song writer. it is like he is churning out an endless succession of derivative melodies and pasting banal lyrics with the hope that something fall's in place. I can almost see him humming 'I want to be your man' and thinking to himself...fookin class man, think i'll write me a song... railroads and rainbows...ugh. (and that's the one i really like.) well, you know what they say...give a monkey time behind a typewriter and he'll eventually type out some words. |
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Post by flashbax812 on Sept 30, 2005 1:10:00 GMT -5
noel - go solo. alternate between a solo record one year and an oasis the next.
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Post by Moorish on Sept 30, 2005 7:19:15 GMT -5
Guys, Noel is STILL the primary songwriter! Just cos he doesn't write the whole album anymore doesn't mean he isn't the head honcho.
And yes, SOTSOG would have been better if Let's All Make Believe was on it (though I would have replaced I Can See A Liar personally), but I don't see how that helps any argument - Noel wrote all the songs on that album anyway!
For me, I am pleased Noel has allowed the others to pitch in. Gem's contributions have been great (to the albums I mean, aside from Eyeball Tickler that other B-side, The Quiet Ones, is fucking woeful).
Andy I think was sold short in the HC days, cos they fucked up the recording of Thank You For The Good Times until it basically ended up sounding just like Some Might Say, so they bunged A Quick Peep on the album to give him a credit and some royalties.
And Liam - well I am very pleased that Liam is now involved, if only because we got to hear Songird and GGTIA; two of the best tunes on the last two albums.
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Post by flashbax812 on Oct 3, 2005 1:08:58 GMT -5
good point. i forgot how great GGTIA is. I love that song. I would prefer for Noel to put more songs on though. I dont think anyone would be mad about a 20 track oasis album.
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