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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jun 27, 2012 21:26:16 GMT -5
Tomorrow (Thursday), the Supreme Court will rule on Obamacare.
I expect the individual mandate to be struck down (as it should be, and would which essentially ends Obamacare), with the other provisions being upheld.
Regardless, this is the thread for your thoughts as the news breaks tomorrow.
Either way, no matter the result, this has huge implications politically for the upcoming election for both sides.....
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Post by mkoasis on Jun 28, 2012 0:55:04 GMT -5
You know, we have universal public healthcare in Canada and, although sometimes there is a wait (personally I've never had a problem), it is absolutely comforting to know that if you by chance get sick and end up in hospital, you won't be bankrupted along the way.
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Post by masterplan200 on Jun 28, 2012 1:13:37 GMT -5
So you don't want a reliable hwealth system, and you are lacking behind. We Australians have something called a Pharmecitual Benefit Scheme which helps lower, not raise like you want, many medicine prices. I propose that you pull your troops out of Austra;ia while you Republicians are at it.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jun 28, 2012 17:11:39 GMT -5
Well it was technically found unconstitutional, but Roberts ruled with the liberals, finding it a tax (because he simply didn't want to be the one voting down the bill, he thought it's up to the politicians and electorate to do so), which Congress has the power to do. Basically, this is the biggest tax increase in the history of the world. And this is after Obama and Congress kept telling us in 2009 that this isn't a tax. Strike another lie on this monstrosity.
Obamacare will be 1/5th of our national economy. We can't afford it. This is a disastrous policy for our economy and small business and employers everywhere. The market even tanked right after the announcement today.
The vast of Americans opposed it before today, and I expect it will be met even with louder voices against it now. It's what is responsible for ushering in the Republicans to Congress (allowing them to take the House and significant gains in the Senate) in 2010, and I do wonder now if this will tie into the economic issues (after all, they are related) and help push Romney over the line.
Basically, the only way Obamacare survives now is if the Democrats and Obama keep control this November. I, for one, don't see that happening now.
What a disaster. A law forced down American throats, one of which was filled with lies and deceitfulness and shady backroom deals, with the main provision technically unconstitutional barring a semantic loophole, forcing people to pay for something they don't even want.
Yeah, great job, Obama. What nonsense.
Romney/Repeal 2012
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2012 17:21:51 GMT -5
lets see romney get himself out of this one, considering obama nabbed it from him.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jun 28, 2012 17:53:12 GMT -5
lets see romney get himself out of this one, considering obama nabbed it from him. Easy. I'm exhausted from discussing this with others now. But this is still going to hurt Obama. Put it this way: It wouldn't be wise for Obama to mention Obamacare in the campaign, but Republicans can still use it as a full blown attack. Romney will ride the tide into the White House now. Good luck getting 50%+ back on your side now, Obama. You stood at a poor chance of doing so before today, but now have almost no chance. Obamacare is too related to the economy for it not to be a big factor come November.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jun 28, 2012 17:55:49 GMT -5
Also, Obama continually said that families making less than $250,000 wouldn't see their taxes raised. Not even by a single dollar. None of their taxes raise. None.
Well, the only reason why Obamacare was upheld is because it's now seen as a tax (despite Obama claiming prior that it wasn't). This is a huge tax increase.
This has an air of George H. W. Bush saying "Read my lips: No New Taxes", only to raise taxes prior to the 1992 election, and Clinton winning the election by citing his campaign slogan of "It's the economy, stupid." Hmmm.....
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jun 28, 2012 18:17:24 GMT -5
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jun 28, 2012 20:21:42 GMT -5
FYI, Romney has raised over $2million after today's ruling. As I said, there's more even motivation now to get rid of Obama and this policy. It's going to energize a lot of the electorate.....
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jun 28, 2012 22:01:39 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2012 14:02:16 GMT -5
small step forward for the US congratulations from the UK one day you might get the single payer health care you deserve.
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Post by matt on Jun 29, 2012 18:04:25 GMT -5
Anything seen as left wing is branded 'socialism' in the USA. The widespread panic on this is absurd - it is a case of 'what your country can do for you' but it is essential. The opposition has mainly been based on the fact that it will harm the businesses and its profits - it seems that conservatives in the US only care about profit, profit and profit rather the welfare of citizens. Undoubtedly, I think there will be teething problems but ultimately in the long term, it could well be the positive lasting legacy of the Obama administration. And I find it hypocritical on Romney's behalf when he basically went along with a similar idea with Romneycare. Everyone says that Obama's rule is unconstitutional - does that really matter though. I mean, 'the right to bear arms' is constitutional and that's a great thing for the US....
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Post by NYR on Jun 29, 2012 22:49:10 GMT -5
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jun 30, 2012 1:01:10 GMT -5
Anything seen as left wing is branded 'socialism' in the USA. The widespread panic on this is absurd - it is a case of 'what your country can do for you' but it is essential. The opposition has mainly been based on the fact that it will harm the businesses and its profits - it seems that conservatives in the US only care about profit, profit and profit rather the welfare of citizens. Undoubtedly, I think there will be teething problems but ultimately in the long term, it could well be the positive lasting legacy of the Obama administration. And I find it hypocritical on Romney's behalf when he basically went along with a similar idea with Romneycare. Everyone says that Obama's rule is unconstitutional - does that really matter though. I mean, 'the right to bear arms' is constitutional and that's a great thing for the US.... I'm sorry, but that's incredibly moronic. The Constitution is what has led America to have been a successful, diplomatic, and stable country for the past 250 odd years. For you to discount that document's importance is shear stupidity..... I am against the gun laws, to be sure, as I've stated many times. Hence you can make amendments to the Constitution....Someone needs to read up on their civics.....I despair.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jun 30, 2012 1:02:34 GMT -5
And Obama won a noble peace prize for....oh, wait, nothing. Right. Who cares? Paul Krugman is a partisan hack. Stop kidding yourself. We'll see who the real winners are in November. While it's too hard to predict a repeal of Obamacare, I strongly believe Romney now has won the election: The economy is poor - while it was slightly improving it no longer is and I think will edge worse, and the Obamacare ruling will energize the 55%+ of Americans who oppose it. Obama, even if his law remains in years to come, is doomed in November. As he should be. Horrible president.
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Post by NYR on Jul 1, 2012 23:33:33 GMT -5
And Obama won a noble peace prize for....oh, wait, nothing. Right. Who cares? Paul Krugman is a partisan hack. Stop kidding yourself. We'll see who the real winners are in November. While it's too hard to predict a repeal of Obamacare, I strongly believe Romney now has won the election: The economy is poor - while it was slightly improving it no longer is and I think will edge worse, and the Obamacare ruling will energize the 55%+ of Americans who oppose it. Obama, even if his law remains in years to come, is doomed in November. As he should be. Horrible president. president obama didn't win the nobel prize for economics. he won the nobel peace prize. do you dismiss the nobel prizes in literature or chemistry for the same reasons you dismiss the economics prize? did you read the article, or are you brushing it off because it makes valid points that you disagree with? nowhere in your reply shows anything of substance in furthering this dialogue. you have no counterarguments towards his points. you easily dismiss krugman's arguments because you perceive him to be a "partisan hack," yet you offer no retorts to his positions. meanwhile, you have often quoted, cited or linked to articles from quite partisan conservative pundits such as rush limbaugh and bill o'reilly. are they not "partisan hacks" because you agree with their positions?
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