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Post by steve020409 on Oct 5, 2016 0:23:16 GMT -5
I'm just gonna say, nobody knows oasis in America.
I live in America and there was only three people who knew oasis.
The first guy was a British guy, which explains a lot.
The second guy is my guitar teacher, he's old and very into the Beatles. Since he works in the music industry, he knows many bands all around the world.
The last person is also a beatles fan, who gave guitar lessons, and old. (I never took guitar lessons from him, but I took SAT writing stuff) He is also very into music, but says that he only knows that oasis was influenced by the Beatles a lot.
My guitar teacher got to knew oasis more because I worked out oasis stuff with him, so the only person who actually knew oasis pretty well was the British guy.
I mean, EVERYBODY knows Oasis in the UK, but NOBODY knows Oasis in the US.
All my friends like Green Day, Slipknot, RHCP, and pop stars in America.
Wait, they also like One direction. Probably the only BRITISH group they know besides the Beatles.
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Post by andrewmattcoles on Oct 5, 2016 1:20:19 GMT -5
I'm just gonna say, nobody knows oasis in America. I live in America and there was only three people who knew oasis. The first guy was a British guy, which explains a lot. The second guy is my guitar teacher, he's old and very into the Beatles. Since he works in the music industry, he knows many bands all around the world. The last person is also a beatles fan, who gave guitar lessons, and old. (I never took guitar lessons from him, but I took SAT writing stuff) He is also very into music, but says that he only knows that oasis was influenced by the Beatles a lot. My guitar teacher got to knew oasis more because I worked out oasis stuff with him, so the only person who actually knew oasis pretty well was the British guy. I mean, EVERYBODY knows Oasis in the UK, but NOBODY knows Oasis in the US. All my friends like Green Day, Slipknot, RHCP, and pop stars in America. Wait, they also like One direction. Probably the only BRITISH group they know besides the Beatles. You need some better friends. |
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Post by bt95 on Oct 5, 2016 3:49:36 GMT -5
because wonderwall is the easiest song to cover on guitar you don't play guitar, do you? Haha, great response! I've been learning myself for the past few months (well, six or seven) now - just teaching myself really - I've never been talented with music and as much as you can try hard with certain things (sport, music etc) you have to have a bit of natural talent as well IMO. But I'm getting there. However, Wonderwall - while I can play it for the most part - isn't easy at all. Yes, it may only be four chords, but the strumming pattern, the little hammers on and off, are not easy. In the last few weeks I've figured out (on my own, without the aid of the ace tutorials by GeorgiaRose on YT) Shock Of The Lightning and If I Had A Gun, while Whatever was the first song I learned. Shakermaker and Where Did It All Go Wrong as well, along with Talk Tonight (though I still struggle on the chorus on TT). |
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Post by bt95 on Oct 5, 2016 3:51:58 GMT -5
On topic, Oasis broke the US. But they never reached the levels that U2, Coldplay (ffs) have over there.
But rightly so. They were massive though, no doubt about it.
Had they not cancelled that tour in 96, they'd probably have had it sown up by the time BHN was released.
Ultimately though, when BHN came out the record wasn't strong enough to undo the damage that had been done.
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Post by themanwithnoname on Oct 5, 2016 6:53:06 GMT -5
How are we even debating this when Oasis were mentioned in Clueless, the TV series?
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Post by wozdareden on Oct 5, 2016 8:21:58 GMT -5
I'm just gonna say, nobody knows oasis in America. I live in America and there was only three people who knew oasis. The first guy was a British guy, which explains a lot. The second guy is my guitar teacher, he's old and very into the Beatles. Since he works in the music industry, he knows many bands all around the world. The last person is also a beatles fan, who gave guitar lessons, and old. (I never took guitar lessons from him, but I took SAT writing stuff) He is also very into music, but says that he only knows that oasis was influenced by the Beatles a lot. My guitar teacher got to knew oasis more because I worked out oasis stuff with him, so the only person who actually knew oasis pretty well was the British guy. I mean, EVERYBODY knows Oasis in the UK, but NOBODY knows Oasis in the US. All my friends like Green Day, Slipknot, RHCP, and pop stars in America. Wait, they also like One direction. Probably the only BRITISH group they know besides the Beatles. All the people I know know Oasis. Does that mean Oasis break in France ? |
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Post by steve020409 on Oct 5, 2016 9:29:17 GMT -5
I'm just gonna say, nobody knows oasis in America. I live in America and there was only three people who knew oasis. The first guy was a British guy, which explains a lot. The second guy is my guitar teacher, he's old and very into the Beatles. Since he works in the music industry, he knows many bands all around the world. The last person is also a beatles fan, who gave guitar lessons, and old. (I never took guitar lessons from him, but I took SAT writing stuff) He is also very into music, but says that he only knows that oasis was influenced by the Beatles a lot. My guitar teacher got to knew oasis more because I worked out oasis stuff with him, so the only person who actually knew oasis pretty well was the British guy. I mean, EVERYBODY knows Oasis in the UK, but NOBODY knows Oasis in the US. All my friends like Green Day, Slipknot, RHCP, and pop stars in America. Wait, they also like One direction. Probably the only BRITISH group they know besides the Beatles. All the people I know know Oasis. Does that mean Oasis break in France ? Many Peeple know Oasis in Europe. They probably did break many European countries |
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Post by steve020409 on Oct 5, 2016 9:35:52 GMT -5
I'm just gonna say, nobody knows oasis in America. I live in America and there was only three people who knew oasis. The first guy was a British guy, which explains a lot. The second guy is my guitar teacher, he's old and very into the Beatles. Since he works in the music industry, he knows many bands all around the world. The last person is also a beatles fan, who gave guitar lessons, and old. (I never took guitar lessons from him, but I took SAT writing stuff) He is also very into music, but says that he only knows that oasis was influenced by the Beatles a lot. My guitar teacher got to knew oasis more because I worked out oasis stuff with him, so the only person who actually knew oasis pretty well was the British guy. I mean, EVERYBODY knows Oasis in the UK, but NOBODY knows Oasis in the US. All my friends like Green Day, Slipknot, RHCP, and pop stars in America. Wait, they also like One direction. Probably the only BRITISH group they know besides the Beatles. You need some better friends. That is true. But I can't find them. So many people wear the dark side of the moon t-shirt, but they don't know what Pink Floyd is. Help me find one 😂 |
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Oct 5, 2016 9:36:02 GMT -5
How are we even debating this when Oasis were mentioned in Clueless, the TV series? Another bit: I CRINGED so hard at that - ESPECIALLY at the second clip. Wow. Never post this shit on here ever again. |
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Post by Aman on Oct 5, 2016 10:50:33 GMT -5
lol, I used to watch that show as well.
What minute do they mention Oasis?
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Post by Manualex on Oct 5, 2016 10:56:13 GMT -5
How are we even debating this when Oasis were mentioned in Clueless, the TV series? Another bit: I CRINGED so hard at that - ESPECIALLY at the second clip. Wow. Never post this shit on here ever again. First I cringed at your post but then... "Close enough so they sweat on me" wtf? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2016 12:17:46 GMT -5
you don't play guitar, do you? Haha, great response! I've been learning myself for the past few months (well, six or seven) now - just teaching myself really - I've never been talented with music and as much as you can try hard with certain things (sport, music etc) you have to have a bit of natural talent as well IMO. But I'm getting there. However, Wonderwall - while I can play it for the most part - isn't easy at all. Yes, it may only be four chords, but the strumming pattern, the little hammers on and off, are not easy. In the last few weeks I've figured out (on my own, without the aid of the ace tutorials by GeorgiaRose on YT) Shock Of The Lightning and If I Had A Gun, while Whatever was the first song I learned. Shakermaker and Where Did It All Go Wrong as well, along with Talk Tonight (though I still struggle on the chorus on TT). I practiced Wonderwall quite a lot and now I can play it easily (I don't do any hammer-ons though). But it wasn't easy to learn, in fact, I spend like 2 days to find out and learn the strumming pattern and even after that I needed to concentrate a lot. Now it's probably the easiest Oasis song to play for me but that's only because I've played it a lot. Songs like Live Forever and Talk Tonight were so much easier to learn after I had learnt Wonderwall because I suddenly knew how to strum and recognize the strumming pattern, which I couldn't do before. |
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Post by guigsysEstring on Oct 5, 2016 13:07:15 GMT -5
On topic, Oasis broke the US. But they never reached the levels that U2, Coldplay (ffs) have over there. But rightly so. They were massive though, no doubt about it. Had they not cancelled that tour in 96, they'd probably have had it sown up by the time BHN was released. Ultimately though, when BHN came out the record wasn't strong enough to undo the damage that had been done. They broke airplay with certain singles, notably 'Wonderwall' and sold 4,000,000 copies of WTSMG? as well as 1,000,000 each of DM and BHN, so from that perspective they certainly sold more records than their Britpop era contemporaries and British independent era bands. Contrasting that against contemporary US guitar bands of that era though and a different picture emerges. Green Day (Dookie) and Smashing Pumpkins (Mellon Collie) both gained diamond certifications for 10,000,000 US sales (albeit Smashing Pumpkins is actually 5,000,000 sales with the award due to a double LP). The peak success of bands such as RHCP, U2, Linkin Park and other major size bands all saw Diamond certifications stateside so whilst Oasis were successful in the USA I wouldn't put them in the category of a major band, more a relatively successful rock n' roll band who perhaps as has been debated many times on these pages could have had further success with different attitudes, decisions and reactions to events. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Oct 5, 2016 14:33:07 GMT -5
They might not have broke America long term but they sure broke me!
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Post by cloudburster on Oct 5, 2016 14:47:41 GMT -5
They were mentioned in a Stephen King novel. That automatically means they broke America.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Oct 5, 2016 14:51:19 GMT -5
They were mentioned in a Stephen King novel. That automatically means they broke America. Dave Matthews mentioned them on a VH1 Storytellers episode. Something about when he is singing a song it looks like he is taking a shit but the guys from Oasis always look super cool all the time.  |
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Post by acanadiengallagher on Oct 5, 2016 16:18:58 GMT -5
I live in Victoria BC Canada, a very musical city (and the best city on earth). I saw Oasis live in Vancouver in 2005 and the crowd seemed very into it. Nevertheless, friends of mine either have no idea who Oasis are or they've just heard of them or one song. It sucks because I love this fucking band.
Does anyone have any insight on how popular Oasis were in Canada? Is it about the same level as the US? More, less?
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Post by guigsysEstring on Oct 5, 2016 16:36:35 GMT -5
I live in Victoria BC Canada, a very musical city (and the best city on earth). I saw Oasis live in Vancouver in 2005 and the crowd seemed very into it. Nevertheless, friends of mine either have no idea who Oasis are or they've just heard of them or one song. It sucks because I love this fucking band. Does anyone have any insight on how popular Oasis were in Canada? Is it about the same level as the US? More, less? I'm not Canadian so I can't speak for the music scene in Canada at the time but the figures for album sales are given by industry body Music Canada as:- Definitely Maybe- Platinum (100,000) (What's The Story) Morning Glory?- 8 x Platinum (800,000) Be Here Now- Double Platinum (200,000) Standing on the Shoulder of Giants- No Award Heathen Chemistry- Gold (50,000) Don't Believe the Truth- Gold (50,000) Dig Out Your Soul- No Award Albums by artists such as Michael Jackson, Alanis Morrissette, Shania Twain, Celine Dion, the '1' Beatles compilation and latterly Adele are the type of blockbuster records that broke the Canadian 'Diamond' award for 1,000,000 plus sales (800,000 since May 2008). More bizarrely for my tastes Aqua broke 1,000,000 in Canada for their 1997 debut 'Aquarium' on it's way to selling circa 14,000,000 copies worldwide!  Based on those figures I would say the band suffered a similar fall from popularity in as they did in the USA generally dropping off the radar for the wider public following 1996/97 and certainly by the time of SOTSOG they were no longer considered a force by the industry for North American markets. I would assume for live shows in both countries they attracted a core fan base of followers but were not really reaching new fans after the turn of the century. |
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Post by bt95 on Oct 5, 2016 16:48:48 GMT -5
On topic, Oasis broke the US. But they never reached the levels that U2, Coldplay (ffs) have over there. But rightly so. They were massive though, no doubt about it. Had they not cancelled that tour in 96, they'd probably have had it sown up by the time BHN was released. Ultimately though, when BHN came out the record wasn't strong enough to undo the damage that had been done. They broke airplay with certain singles, notably 'Wonderwall' and sold 4,000,000 copies of WTSMG? as well as 1,000,000 each of DM and BHN, so from that perspective they certainly sold more records than their Britpop era contemporaries and British independent era bands. Contrasting that against contemporary US guitar bands of that era though and a different picture emerges. Green Day (Dookie) and Smashing Pumpkins (Mellon Collie) both gained diamond certifications for 10,000,000 US sales (albeit Smashing Pumpkins is actually 5,000,000 sales with the award due to a double LP). The peak success of bands such as RHCP, U2, Linkin Park and other major size bands all saw Diamond certifications stateside so whilst Oasis were successful in the USA I wouldn't put them in the category of a major band, more a relatively successful rock n' roll band who perhaps as has been debated many times on these pages could have had further success with different attitudes, decisions and reactions to events. But that's because of how little they released? Wonderwall was the only ever single (IIRC) to go on sale in the US, but at a point they were certainly the biggest band in the world (Knebworth time through to the release of BHN probably). The amount of references in popular culture from 96/97 to Oasis is unbelievable (both UK and stateside). Not sure if you've ever seen 'Dig' - a great rockumentary - but look no further than that for the impact Oasis were having prior to the release of BHN. What they didn't have was maintained success (relatively speaking of course) compared to U2 and Coldplay etc (but that's down to reasons more to do with PR in some cases). To an extent, Arctic Monkeys are the last British band to get anywhere close to 'breaking' the US - and it took them until their fifth album (which is the third album of there's to have been recorded fully in the US as well). |
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Post by guigsysEstring on Oct 5, 2016 17:18:40 GMT -5
They broke airplay with certain singles, notably 'Wonderwall' and sold 4,000,000 copies of WTSMG? as well as 1,000,000 each of DM and BHN, so from that perspective they certainly sold more records than their Britpop era contemporaries and British independent era bands. Contrasting that against contemporary US guitar bands of that era though and a different picture emerges. Green Day (Dookie) and Smashing Pumpkins (Mellon Collie) both gained diamond certifications for 10,000,000 US sales (albeit Smashing Pumpkins is actually 5,000,000 sales with the award due to a double LP). The peak success of bands such as RHCP, U2, Linkin Park and other major size bands all saw Diamond certifications stateside so whilst Oasis were successful in the USA I wouldn't put them in the category of a major band, more a relatively successful rock n' roll band who perhaps as has been debated many times on these pages could have had further success with different attitudes, decisions and reactions to events. But that's because of how little they released? Wonderwall was the only ever single (IIRC) to go on sale in the US, but at a point they were certainly the biggest band in the world (Knebworth time through to the release of BHN probably). The amount of references in popular culture from 96/97 to Oasis is unbelievable (both UK and stateside). Not sure if you've ever seen 'Dig' - a great rockumentary - but look no further than that for the impact Oasis were having prior to the release of BHN. What they didn't have was maintained success (relatively speaking of course) compared to U2 and Coldplay etc (but that's down to reasons more to do with PR in some cases). To an extent, Arctic Monkeys are the last British band to get anywhere close to 'breaking' the US - and it took them until their fifth album (which is the third album of there's to have been recorded fully in the US as well). I'm not disputing the fact that they were arguably the biggest band in the world at that point, but they certainly were not the biggest band by sales in the USA which especially back then was more important to record companies than every other territory combined simply because of the sheer scale of sales that success could mean. The saying when I was working for a major went along the lines of "A UK hit single pays your bills for three months, a US hit single pays them for four years", which is a little simplistic but gives an idea of the difference in the two markets. I have indeed seen 'Dig' as I am a massive Brian Jonestown Massacre fan, but when you say look no further then I would counter that what actually broke as a scene moving on from grunge in terms of impact wasn't (unfortunately) Oasis led but rather Hip Hop and Nu Metal. With the singles I can't argue too much other than to say more than 'Wonderwall' was certainly released, Supersonic for example making 11 on the US Billboard Modern Rock Tracks ( Billboard via Google when it was at #15), but I would say cancelled tours, perceived public reaction to the squabbling and bizarre decisions post Knebworth (which I have written rambling essays on here if you're ever that bored  ) contributed far more to their decline in North America than a lack of releases. You mention PR yourself and this is absolutely spot on, for an example in 1997 The Seahorses Chris Helme and Stu Fletcher both commented re: their support slot on the U2 tour about the tight ship run by U2 management in that almost no negative stories ever made the press, if anything did it was generally responded to with good grace and humour by Bono as the de facto spokesman for the four piece, and the press were kept at arms length at all times barring scheduled interviews and press conferences. This may seem OTT but in some respects, amongst obviously other reasons, it can be one of the factors attributed to U2's longevity and success. The Arctic Monkeys have on their fifth album found success in the USA with a gold disc for circa 655,000 sales, although what I would say is that you are talking a different era. Oasis sold circa 6,000,000 albums from their first three LP's released over three years at a time when many music fans still brought magazines, physical records, heard releases on radio & television, etc. and the internet was very much in it's infancy. In contrast Arctic Monkeys sales whilst much lower come in an era of splintered social media tastes, downloading and streaming, YouTube as opposed MTV, massively declined record sales in general and a completely altered world, so although not a massive fan myself I do wonder how much more successful 655,000 sales would have been in 1996/97.... Ultimately I agree Oasis broadly speaking were successful but I travelled to the USA a fair amount in that era, and most of my colleagues and the US music magazines I recall whilst mentioning Oasis did so in amongst a sea of Grunge and later Hip Hop, Nu Metal and major US artists. Oasis went on in fairness to have the kind of career most of their mid nineties British contemporaries couldn't even dream of but I do think rather like on a smaller scale such as The La's there can be a tendency to look back too much through rose tinted spectacles- Still that's what loving a band is all about isn't it?  |
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Post by jason77 on Aug 20, 2023 15:39:15 GMT -5
I dont think people really appreciate hardly any british bands had top 10 albums in America in the 90s it was very rare and a big achievement.
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Post by Manualex on Aug 20, 2023 17:21:30 GMT -5
I dont think people really appreciate hardly any british bands had top 10 albums in America in the 90s it was very rare and a big achievement. |
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Post by themanwholivesinhell on Aug 20, 2023 18:24:28 GMT -5
In the context of modern British rock artists, id argue they did. As the only other British indie rock band i can think of who achieved that level of genuine mainstream US success in the 1990s was Radiohead.
I think they get tagged with that “didnt crack the US” label because people felt they would/should have been bigger given their status elsewhere. And also because unlike the UK, they 100% have a standout, signature song there in Wonderwall.
Although I read that had chart rules not deemed them ineligible, 'Champagne Supernova' and 'Don't Go Away' would have likely both made the US Top 40. That along with two additional albums having gone Platinum, and three reaching the Top Five. So id argue that from 1995-97 they were pretty huge stateside.
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Post by jezza2 on Aug 20, 2023 19:52:49 GMT -5
They did, but they shot themselves in the foot nearly every freaking tour
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Post by mahsteve on Aug 21, 2023 2:57:46 GMT -5
They did, but they shot themselves in the foot nearly every freaking tour Agreed. Although it’s all well known obvious stuff, I think the following reasons played as part in it: - Although it didn’t end it for them in America, The poor gig at the Whiskey a go go and then Noel leaving the tour in 1994 would have caused a few industry people and fans to think twice about them. - Temporary bassist Scott mccloud leaving the tour in 1995. - MTV Unplugged. In the end it turned out to be a great show, but I don’t think liam not singing the show and heckling from the balcony went down well with both MTV and the American audience - the September 1996 US tour was a massive missed opportunity with Liam not travelling with the band at the start and then Noel ending the tour and returning to the uk. - MTV Video Awards. They played CS on the show, I don’t think it went down well with the American audience when Liam spat on the stage and changing the words. In essence, I think artists like U2, Ed Sheeran and Coldplay are more open and engaging and willing to do all sorts of promotion. Oasis were never going to play the half time show at the Super Bowl for example. Oasis were engaging in a different way which a uk audience would understand. Liam never did any radio promotion with Noel playing acoustic. You can imagine the audience thinking “where’s the singer?”. There was an MTV show in Aspen ski resort where the band are playing Wonderwall acoustic and Liam is on stage not singing just playing tambourine. Even for a long term fan like me I’ve always found it odd. |
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