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Post by BloodyColdAssasin on Apr 20, 2012 13:04:41 GMT -5
I'm going to point out a lot of stuff on why Oasis did in fact break America. I'm from the US, and most people heard of Oasis, and half of them people, have not only heard of just Wonderwall, but also Champagne Supernova. They both play on the radio a lot today.
Let's look at the sales for them. I'm just gonna post 90's.
DM - Platinum
WTSMG - 4x platinum
BHN - Platinum
Wonderwall - Gold
Champagne Supernova - Gold
Wonderwall charted at number 8 in the billboard hot 100.
The billboard hot 100 rules back then were weird, but have they been able to chart, Live Forever would of charted at #39, CS at #20, and DGA at #35. That's 4 top 40 hits. Plus DLBIA charted at #55. So 5 singles charted in the billboard 100.
So I hate when people in the UK or US say they never broke America, when they actually, they just failed to make themselves an established act there.
The only other act in the 90's that did better than America in the US, was Spice Girls. Take that never even had a gold record. Robbie Williams and Blur had one gold record and that's it. Pulp never had anything. The Verve had one platinum record.
Radiohead in the 90's were succesful with the critics in the US, but their sales were way lower than Oasis.
I guess in the critics eyes, you have to chart at #1 in the Billboard 200 (albums) to break America? BHN charted @2 (lost the top spot by 800 copies). I think that's stupid though either way. What do you guys think?
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Post by dontgoaway92 on Apr 20, 2012 13:35:12 GMT -5
I think it depends on who you compare them to... if you compare the success of U2, The Police, Rolling Stones etc. there's nothing.
However, compare it to most acts out there and Oasis are still pretty big... I must say, the fact they sold out Madison Square Garden, Red Rocks and The Hollywood Bowl is quite comforting.
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Post by spaneli on Apr 20, 2012 13:52:01 GMT -5
Yeah, I think the rules were that there had to be a physical release of a single for it to chart on Hot 100. DGA, CS were both radio singles. I don't see how Live Forever didn't chart though. I swore Live Forever was properly released single in the US.
I think it's also a combination that Oasis not having not only a #1 album, but also a #1 hit. In most cases, you have to have one of the two to have broken America. Also, they never won the Grammy. I know the Grammy shouldn't count for shit. But to the "general" music public in America, the Grammy does add validity to your career. As stupid as that sounds, it does. And to break America, you have to capture the "general" music public.
Some days I think they broke America, other days I don't think they did. A bit of me says, "if you have to wonder if they broke America, then how can you say they broke America. Shouldn't you just know without having to think about it?" another part says, "They filled MSG and the Hollywood Bowl, they had great record sales, and songs that are still sung today, of course they broke it.".
In the end though, did Oasis ever truly break into the mainstream of America and take hold. Or in other words, were they ever truly popular across the board. I don't think so. I think they garnered a great fanbase, they got some name recognition, and they had a few songs that people knew, but I don't think that alone breaks America. I think you have to be popular across the board. When you compare Oasis to others who have broken America, they seem to always come up short in those comparisons, except when those comparisons are against Radiohead. A band who it seems the general consensus is that they have broken America. However, Radiohead is an enigma and they have had #1 albums along with Grammys.
I think Oasis partially broke America, sales wise. Not charting, but sales. If you guy by sales then they did break it. But I don't think that they completely broke through the doors of America. They got half way through and were pushed back out.
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Post by pdfstreet on Apr 20, 2012 15:30:57 GMT -5
I never knew that about Madison Square Garden/Hollywood Bowl. That's really cool.
What a lot of people forget is that, while Oasis were considered a 'pop' band over here, they were considered more of an alternative rock band in America - so they weren't ever gonna break records.
Furthermore, while Oasis were quite possibly the best band in the UK from '94 onwards, in America they faced stiff competition from Red Hot Chili Peppers, Foo Fighters, Soundgarden and the like.
Plus there's the fact that Noel and Liam were up no-one's arses but their own, which the American media seems to abhor.
Despite this they did very well. Probably better than any British band since.
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Post by underneaththesky on Apr 20, 2012 15:48:55 GMT -5
who cares
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2012 18:17:53 GMT -5
Furthermore, while Oasis were quite possibly the best band in the UK from '94 onwards, in America they faced stiff competition from Red Hot Chili Peppers, Foo Fighters, Soundgarden and the like. Competition? Commercially or in terms of actual music? |
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Post by pdfstreet on Apr 21, 2012 6:45:12 GMT -5
Furthermore, while Oasis were quite possibly the best band in the UK from '94 onwards, in America they faced stiff competition from Red Hot Chili Peppers, Foo Fighters, Soundgarden and the like. Competition? Commercially or in terms of actual music? Commercially. Oasis were faced with breaking into an already oversaturated market. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2012 17:06:36 GMT -5
Competition? Commercially or in terms of actual music? Commercially. Oasis were faced with breaking into an already oversaturated market. Ah, indeed. You scared me there for a second. |
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Post by Headmaster on Apr 21, 2012 19:28:16 GMT -5
Yeah, Oasis broke America, but only for a short period of time and they dind't mainteined their fame over there, they didn't care in first place, by SOTSOG they already were has beens over there.
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Post by Bring It On Dan on Apr 23, 2012 4:50:57 GMT -5
They had america hooked for a year or 3, but never really 'cracked' it.
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Post by RocketMan on Apr 23, 2012 5:12:34 GMT -5
oasis didn't break america. look at the sales of really famous artists over there. they sold plenty of million records more than oasis. in a country with nearly 300mio people means 4*platinum nothing
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Post by spaneli on Apr 23, 2012 17:01:36 GMT -5
oasis didn't break america. look at the sales of really famous artists over there. they sold plenty of million records more than oasis. in a country with nearly 300mio people means 4*platinum nothing tbf, the population was 262 million in 1995.  ;D  |
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Post by vespa on Apr 23, 2012 17:17:33 GMT -5
ofcourse they broke america if you look they probably sold roughly 12 million records in the states and sold out all the big venues not including stadiums,the gallaghers can still tour comfortably over there with there solo projects and people do know them,in the mid 90s oasis were pretty huge there for a year or 2,and whenever they went over there they were mobbed and fans would fill hotel car parks and airports waiting for them,this wasnt just america but the allover the world,and this carried on in alot of countries till the end,they wa seen in parts of the world as living legends till the very end,although not huge in terms of sales they had a very big cult status.some people dont seem to realise just quite how big they were!!!it wasnt just record sales it was the hype,the gigs,the adulation,the culture change,the overall influence
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Apr 24, 2012 11:08:35 GMT -5
Oasis' popularity in America seems to have gone up and down and then back up over their career. I agree that, by definition, they broke the US in the mid-90s but as others have mentioned were unable to sustain their success.
Come 2000 and SOTSOG it wasn't cool to like Oasis, and was actually looked down upon. They had their singles over here which did well during their down trodden years - notably The Hindu Times and Stop Crying Your Heart Out.
But it wasn't until 2005's DBTT that Oasis were seen as fresh and cool again. Nothing as big as their hey day, to be sure, but Oasis were able to establish themselves back into a market that had previously become indifferent (at best) to them only years prior.
I think Oasis are now regarded with respect with Americans. You couldn't say that about a decade ago.
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Post by RocketMan on Apr 24, 2012 11:11:32 GMT -5
why are people so obsessed with oasis being big in america? it's not the middle of the earth
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Post by deasy on Apr 24, 2012 11:21:15 GMT -5
why are people so obsessed with oasis being big in america? it's not the middle of the earth The question should be did they break China since China owns America anyway |
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Post by spaneli on Apr 24, 2012 11:54:30 GMT -5
Oasis' popularity in America seems to have gone up and down and then back up over their career. I agree that, by definition, they broke the US in the mid-90s but as others have mentioned were unable to sustain their success. Come 2000 and SOTSOG it wasn't cool to like Oasis, and was actually looked down upon. They had their singles over here which did well during their down trodden years - notably The Hindu Times and Stop Crying Your Heart Out. But it wasn't until 2005's DBTT that Oasis were seen as fresh and cool again. Nothing as big as their hey day, to be sure, but Oasis were able to establish themselves back into a market that had previously become indifferent (at best) to them only years prior. I think Oasis are now regarded with respect with Americans. You couldn't say that about a decade a go. I think there's definitely respect for Oasis by many well informed music fan. That's not the case with the mainstream or a general music fan imo. Most still at Oasis as a band that two brothers with uinbrows who did Wonderwall and fought a lot. But I think amongst well informed music fans their stock has definitely risen here in the US. I also believe that there's a nice young fanbase here. I know in Chicago especially there are a lot of young Oasis fans who either really love their music, respect them, or like a few of their songs and see them as a very good band. I think at some point, it might already be happening, Oasis are going to become a cult following. And liking the band will be an exclusive club which will make Oasis all the more alluring to younger music fans. Almost in the way that Led Zeppelin was. I believe that their stock will significantly rise. |
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Post by Headmaster on Apr 24, 2012 12:09:31 GMT -5
A few year ago Oasis had entered the TOP 10 albums of the 90's chosen by the public on RS magazine, the same goes for Noel who last year was chosen one of the best albums of 2011 by the public too, if I'm corret.
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Post by warewolf95 on Apr 29, 2012 15:11:51 GMT -5
I must say, the fact they sold out Madison Square Garden, Red Rocks and The Hollywood Bowl is quite comforting. In 2005 and 2008, no less. Way past their supposed "peak" of american popularity. Or perhaps the hardcores were simply out in droves? |
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Post by cloudburster on Apr 29, 2012 18:30:52 GMT -5
I'd say most bands, including American ones, would definitely take 8 million+ US sales and three top 10 albums.
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Post by cloudburster on Apr 29, 2012 18:32:43 GMT -5
Even the fact that around 1 million of those sales came in the 2000s is impressive for a rock band. Even the White Stripes and the Strokes only have around 2-2.5 million sales in the 2000s, and they released more albums
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Post by dontgoaway92 on Apr 30, 2012 10:12:49 GMT -5
Here's the reality, whilst Wonderwall is not as good as Queens Bohemian Rhapsody or John Lennons Imagine.... in terms of popularity... well, it is. I don't think there is a song that has been covered more than Wonderwall, it's nearly every couple of weeks some artist is singing it... and it's one of those songs where as soon as you sing the first line, everyone else joins in.
Whilst it's not the best song Oasis produced, it's still one even America knows of... every other existing artist/band would kill to have it just because of it's popularity.
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Post by RocketMan on Apr 30, 2012 10:25:35 GMT -5
Here's the reality, whilst Wonderwall is not as good as Queens Bohemian Rhapsody or John Lennons Imagine.... in terms of popularity... well, it is. I don't think there is a song that has been covered more than Wonderwall, it's nearly every couple of weeks some artist is singing it... and it's one of those songs where as soon as you sing the first line, everyone else joins in. Whilst it's not the best song Oasis produced, it's still one even America knows of... every other existing artist/band would kill to have it just because of it's popularity. because wonderwall is the easiest song to cover on guitar |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2012 15:30:21 GMT -5
Oasis, is loved and cherished by all of you and millions others around the world..
record sales dont do justice of what Oasis means to the people who love their music. Oasis matters to YOU and therefore whether they ''sold lots'' or ''broke america'' is irrelevent.. if you love them then forget about the statistics, the happiness they have given to so many is the biggest form of success a musician can achieve
and Oasis done that
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Post by underneaththesky on Apr 30, 2012 15:34:09 GMT -5
Here's the reality, whilst Wonderwall is not as good as Queens Bohemian Rhapsody or John Lennons Imagine.... in terms of popularity... well, it is. I don't think there is a song that has been covered more than Wonderwall, it's nearly every couple of weeks some artist is singing it... and it's one of those songs where as soon as you sing the first line, everyone else joins in. Whilst it's not the best song Oasis produced, it's still one even America knows of... every other existing artist/band would kill to have it just because of it's popularity. because wonderwall is the easiest song to cover on guitar you don't play guitar, do you? |
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