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Post by chocolate st*rfish on Jul 7, 2005 11:45:32 GMT -5
as we all now, the chief was never cheered for his play with words in his songs.
although no one can deny that he has a sense of what sounds good in a lyric, the majority of the stories he told the world on albums #1 to #3 did not gain a lot of positive criticism (by the press and even by fans)
but do you think this changed over the last years and albums. SOTSOG was quite introspective and it meant to say something and with the new record i think it's obvious how much dylan records he must have heard over the last years.
yet is this somehow convincing that noel is a better lyricist now??
i wonder whether he could be put in the same league as lennon, cobain or neil young?
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Post by LDD- Angelic Child on Jul 7, 2005 14:21:14 GMT -5
i dunno really... he has always been great
"there are but a thousand days and heading for a thousand years, many minds to educate and people who have disappeared"
always one of my favourite lines, inspired by Mr Blair as Noel has said
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Post by MSprague01 on Jul 7, 2005 15:31:39 GMT -5
I think that he's more aware of the lyrics he writes now and trying to say something with them.
He made a comment in an interview once that he was really uninhibited about his lyrics when he was younger and was more concerned with the music. He gave the example about Some Might Say and the line "the sink is full of fishes, she's got dirty dishes on the brain." He said that he would never write that now, but back then he was a lot less concerned about the meaning of some of his lyrics.
I personally think that he's one of the best.
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Post by Jimmy Jazz on Jul 7, 2005 15:54:25 GMT -5
The lyrics on the new album are the best he's written in years my opinion (bar Lyla anyway). Mucky Fingers in particular is excellent - as is Part Of The Queue. That said, I think the lyrics in Up In The Sky are probably his best.
Hey you, up in the tree
You wanna be me
Well that couldn't be
'Cause the people here they
They don't hear you calling.
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Post by magrelo on Jul 9, 2005 22:23:20 GMT -5
Who gives a fuck about the lyrics??
Well, the critics. And they're all knobheads as far as I'm concerned!
It's always been about the tunes, the tunes!!!!!!!!!
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Post by mybigmouth on Jul 10, 2005 7:06:42 GMT -5
Who gives a fuck about the lyrics?? please tell me as an oasis fan you did not actually mean that. the lyrics are a major part of Oasis and their talents and success. on T4 just, Noel "i am a great song writer but not one of the best musically talented of our generation" course the lyrics mean stuff and i for one give a fuck about them!! i think Noel's songwriting has quite obviously become more mature and the Dylan influence is clear yes. whether his lyrics have improved is a personal opinion i suppose, for me i think DBTT shows that he has improved....along with Liam's songwriting. (Let there be love and Love like a bomb prove this to me). i always thought that SOTSOG was underrated lyrically, if not musically as a whole - Sunday Morning Call and Gas Panic for example. Noel set himself high standards lyrically from DM but a few songs of each album and the whole of the new one prove he has improved, or can at leasrt stay on par with the songwriting from the very early days. |
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Post by Clint on Jul 11, 2005 13:48:48 GMT -5
Yes he has. His lyrics now are a lot better.
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Post by keane100 on Jul 13, 2005 17:59:36 GMT -5
For a long time, Noel has wrote a few songs that sound like they mean so much, yet have no meaning, for example, Champagne Supernove and Some Might Say, but then some things like Up In the Sky have actually meant quite a lot, yet actually sounded like they aren't meant to. As was already said, he always has know what would sound awsome to go with the music. His lyrics has changed, because when he wasn't a big star he wrote songs about wanting to be a rock and roll star (Rock 'n' Roll Star, Obviously) and about a country that needs changing (Up In The Sky), but now he is famous and rich, them sort of problems don't occur any more, as the country being in a bad way wouldn't effect him, and writing a song about being a rock n roll star would just be self indulgant. Noel's songs on DBTT definitely sound more lyricly complex, but Part of the Queue is only about being stuck in a shop, but gives the impression that it means more, which makes it a great song Lyla has absolutly no meaning, but sounds great. But perhaps the area he shows how he has 'matured' in his song writing is songs like mucky fingers, which actually sound like they are meant to mean a lot, and actually perhaps do, and The Importance of being Idle is the same. So, After a lot of my opinion being typed out, i feel that yes, he is a better lyricist now is you are looking for meaning, but when you look at the way the lyrics to songs like Morning Glory, Champagne Supernova, those lyrics do what they are meant to - sound fucking amazing, but as noel says 'No-one writes songs like these anymore, least of all me' But that is just my opinion, and as long as no-one try's to analyse the lyrics the same way as John Savage on the extra's on the Live Forever film DVD, then im happy  Credit to Jobero for a chat we had at his house the other day  |
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Post by jobero on Jul 13, 2005 18:08:37 GMT -5
For a long time, Noel has wrote a few songs that sound like they mean so much, yet have no meaning, for example, Champagne Supernove and Some Might Say, but then some things like Up In the Sky have actually meant quite a lot, yet actually sounded like they aren't meant to. As was already said, he always has know what would sound awsome to go with the music. His lyrics has changed, because when he wasn't a big star he wrote songs about wanting to be a rock and roll star (Rock 'n' Roll Star, Obviously) and about a country that needs changing (Up In The Sky), but now he is famous and rich, them sort of problems don't occur any more, as the country being in a bad way wouldn't effect him, and writing a song about being a rock n roll star would just be self indulgant. Noel's songs on DBTT definitely sound more lyricly complex, but Part of the Queue is only about being stuck in a shop, but gives the impression that it means more, which makes it a great song Lyla has absolutly no meaning, but sounds great. But perhaps the area he shows how he has 'matured' in his song writing is songs like mucky fingers, which actually sound like they are meant to mean a lot, and actually perhaps do, and The Importance of being Idle is the same. So, After a lot of my opinion being typed out, i feel that yes, he is a better lyricist now is you are looking for meaning, but when you look at the way the lyrics to songs like Morning Glory, Champagne Supernova, those lyrics do what they are meant to - sound fucking amazing, but as noel says 'No-one writes songs like these anymore, least of all me' But that is just my opinion, and as long as no-one try's to analyse the lyrics the same way as John Savage on the extra's on the Live Forever film DVD, then im happy Credit to Jobero for a chat we had at his house the other day I disagree. |
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Post by keane100 on Jul 13, 2005 18:14:06 GMT -5
Thought You Would Mate |
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Post by jobero on Jul 13, 2005 18:17:05 GMT -5
I can't really disagree can i?
Since i actually made most of them points over a few Stella's and few games of Pro Evolution Soccer 4 a few weeks back. ;D
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Post by jobero on Jul 13, 2005 18:28:18 GMT -5
To get back on topic - i think Noel is more clever than gifted. He knows what works and what doesn't and most of his lyrics are not from his heart but he knows they work - or he saw them work for somebody else once upon a time. ;D To Be Honest, i think that Noel is a genius for what he has done - i'm not saying he stole all his stuff he used for Oasis but where do you draw the line? Oasis lovers will say they are Noel's influences and Oasis haters will say he has stolen others people work but i really don't care as i can put Live Forever whenever i want.  That does it for me - he is a genius just for that song alone in my eyes but even then - "I don't really wanna know? HOW YOUR GARDEN GROWS?"  What does that mean? Does it really matter. I think Noel is more concerned whether or not the Stella's are in the fridge. ;D |
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