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Post by webm@ster on Feb 7, 2012 11:21:47 GMT -5
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Post by beadyeyeunofficial on Feb 7, 2012 12:16:31 GMT -5
This can be translated as a generic attack on music in order to boost THEIR sales.
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Post by mimmihopps on Feb 7, 2012 13:17:29 GMT -5
There's only one The Smiths and only one Oasis to me, in past, present and in the future.
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Post by spaneli on Feb 7, 2012 14:38:43 GMT -5
British Music and American music for that matter need a band who aren't afraid to be themselves.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2012 14:46:40 GMT -5
There are plenty of bands that "aren't afraid to be themselves". It's not the bands, it's the publicity that they don't get. You can be in the best band in the world, but if you don't play the game then you won't be very popular.
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Post by Cast on Feb 7, 2012 15:19:53 GMT -5
I for one would love to see a new guitar rock/pop band to reach the success and the acclaim of Oasis or The Smiths but culture and the times are so different nowadays. It could happen, but I'm loving all these really talented smaller bands. The talent I'd say is there (although I don't love any modern band as much as I love Oasis) its just the business is fucked. The internet has helped indie labels in so many ways but it has also changed some peoples perception, attention, and arguably how much music is worth to them. Rock is dead for the most part for top 40 radio but its happened before and it'll happen again. Punk happened, grunge happened, britpop happened, the 00's garage rock revival hell its how rock was born, things were a bit dull in the 40's. There probably will be a band that will shake things up eventually in a mainstream sense but if people go digging, they will find that their is a ton of great music being made and that rock isn't dead.
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Post by spaneli on Feb 7, 2012 15:25:30 GMT -5
There are plenty of bands that "aren't afraid to be themselves". It's not the bands, it's the publicity that they don't get. You can be in the best band in the world, but if you don't play the game then you won't be very popular. Obviously there are plenty of bands who are themselves. But it's gotten to a point where being yourself and being successful have ceased to go together. So when I say that America and the UK need a band who aren't afraid to be themselves, I'm saying that bands aren't afraid to be themselves, but that the music/coporate elite are afraid to have a band that are themselves and do not fit into this cookie cutter image of what a successful band/artist has to be. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2012 15:34:59 GMT -5
There are plenty of bands that "aren't afraid to be themselves". It's not the bands, it's the publicity that they don't get. You can be in the best band in the world, but if you don't play the game then you won't be very popular. Obviously there are plenty of bands who are themselves. But it's gotten to a point where being yourself and being successful have ceased to go together. So when I say that America and the UK need a band who aren't afraid to be themselves, I'm saying that bands aren't afraid to be themselves, but that the music/coporate elite are afraid to have a band that are themselves and do not fit into this cookie cutter image of what a successful band/artist has to be. If that's the case, then I whole heartedly agree. I don't blame the corporate elite for not taking any risks on bands, it's just not financially viable any more. That's why I never got the need for a band a "new Oasis" or anything like that. There's plenty of good bands out there, but we just need a handful to lead the way in the mainstream. We don't need a band that will change the cultural landscape, simply because I just don't think that's possible to do any more. |
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Post by spaneli on Feb 7, 2012 15:41:38 GMT -5
Obviously there are plenty of bands who are themselves. But it's gotten to a point where being yourself and being successful have ceased to go together. So when I say that America and the UK need a band who aren't afraid to be themselves, I'm saying that bands aren't afraid to be themselves, but that the music/coporate elite are afraid to have a band that are themselves and do not fit into this cookie cutter image of what a successful band/artist has to be. If that's the case, then I whole heartedly agree. I don't blame the corporate elite for not taking any risks on bands, it's just not financially viable any more. That's why I never got the need for a band a "new Oasis" or anything like that. There's plenty of good bands out there, but we just need a handful to lead the way in the mainstream. We don't need a band that will change the cultural landscape, simply because I just don't think that's possible to do any more. Yeah, I agree. I don't blame them for not taking chances on bands, especially in a climate where it just isn't financially viable anymore to take chances. And when you're in an environment where even the successful/stalworth bands aren't doing too well either. You're forced to divert more and more money from investing in artists. And it gets to a point where you literally have to go with what sells because you just can't afford to do anything else. I also think that it will probably take a few bands breaking into the mainstream, rather than one band really breaking out. I don't think that there's a viable climate right now for it, nor do I think there will ever be again, unfortunately. |
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Post by gdforever on Feb 7, 2012 17:07:08 GMT -5
I kind of do blame then for not taking chances on bands. Record companies seem to like flash-in-the-pan artists. Justin Beiber's and Miley Cyrus's. Artists that they can hype up, release on the world, then drop for the next hottest thing. Artists that are puppets.
Artists that are only really viable for an album or two seem to be the stock in trade of the music industry,
now.
Bands are generally something that has to be nurtured and grown IMO. Most bands don't come out of nowhere to superstardom like Oasis. Bands don't usually didn't end up coming out with seminal debuts then shooting to superstardom within a year or 2.
They'll waste time and money producing dozens of two-bit pop stars of which I'm sure only a fraction actually end up with any amount of real success because it's easier to do and the naive pop stars are easier to control than a band with any talent. They get full say on all production and marketing decisions, etc.
I think some of it's laziness and need for instant gratification. It's easier to find a person that can kinda sing and MAKE them a star than find a decent band.
Success rate in the music industry has always been low. There
Are dozens of acts in every genre that fail for every one that succeeds. So they throw popstar after popstar at the wall to see what sticks. They trade longevity and real talent for short term gain.
Personally I think if they developed as many bands as they do minimal talent pop acts there'd be a better result in the quantity of bands making it
Problem is that they look at the fact that there aren't very many breakout guitar acts and, instead of then see that as a market that isn't being capitalized on currently, they dismiss as a market not worthy of investment. And the less they invest the lower the return. Self fulfilling prophesy.
That being said, I think the Kaiser Chiefs are kind of right, fact is that all it will take is one band to really defy the odds and smash it and the flood gates will open. Record companies will sign bands like they are going out of style to capitalize on the interest even if 90% of those signings are barely above average. Then people will begin to bemoan the commercialization of rock and the cycle will begin again.
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Post by Rifles on Feb 7, 2012 17:20:36 GMT -5
It'll happen again. It may take another 30 years, but a group will come along and knock everyone off their feet again. A lot of things have to fall into place. It doesn't seem to be a 5 or 10 year cycle. You need the perfect storm of generational change, transcending personalities, good looks, talent etc. It's a lot to ask for.
Ever since the late 90's, the record industry has been dominated by a well oiled machine that takes attractive people with marginal to great talent, stuffs them down everyone's throats and then rinses and repeats. Until that formula stops selling, it's going to continue. Why take your chances with unpredictable personalities in a real rock band (that ALWAYS have issues) when you can go with the puppet that you can run into the ground?
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Post by johnnyb on Feb 15, 2012 10:46:38 GMT -5
Well said Trifles...
Your post really makes you appreciate how well Oasis got that formula...
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Post by supersonic1983 on Feb 15, 2012 11:10:16 GMT -5
If people weren't so desperate for the next Oasis then perhaps folk in the music industry might stop wasting time and money on imitative, uninspired gobshites like Viva Brother and use their resources to help bands with things like good ideas and listenable songs.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2012 11:53:42 GMT -5
To be brief,
today's musical culture simply will not allow or accommodate a rise to fame like that of Oasis. Everything today is too calculated for that to ever happen. Sorry, but we will never see it again.
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Post by RocketMan on Feb 15, 2012 12:09:37 GMT -5
Ever since the late 90's, the record industry has been dominated by a well oiled machine that takes attractive people with marginal to great talent, stuffs them down everyone's throats and then rinses and repeats. Until that formula stops selling, it's going to continue. Why take your chances with unpredictable personalities in a real rock band (that ALWAYS have issues) when you can go with the puppet that you can run into the ground? the biggest acts in the world are adele and lady gaga. and i think they're very talented. it's just not the kind of music i like to listen to. it's to easy to say, that many artists are like puppets. |
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Post by Rita on Feb 15, 2012 12:49:11 GMT -5
It'll happen again. It may take another 30 years, but a group will come along and knock everyone off their feet again. A lot of things have to fall into place. It doesn't seem to be a 5 or 10 year cycle. You need the perfect storm of generational change, transcending personalities, good looks, talent etc. It's a lot to ask for. Ever since the late 90's, the record industry has been dominated by a well oiled machine that takes attractive people with marginal to great talent, stuffs them down everyone's throats and then rinses and repeats. Until that formula stops selling, it's going to continue. Why take your chances with unpredictable personalities in a real rock band (that ALWAYS have issues) when you can go with the puppet that you can run into the ground? You said it all. And I have a feeling it's coming! |
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Post by gdforever on Feb 15, 2012 13:04:05 GMT -5
To be brief, today's musical culture simply will not allow or accommodate a rise to fame like that of Oasis. Everything today is too calculated for that to ever happen. Sorry, but we will never see it again. Adele is matching or exceeding Oasis' rise in the 90's worldwide right now. So that's malarkey. I know that that is a different genre. But the fact is that she is different from the rest of mainstream pop (Lady Gaga, Rhianna, Katy Perry, Ke$ha) but she has managed to break through in a massive way. I don't believe that she is manufactured to sell like most of the pop genre. She is an artist connecting with people strictly through music not razzmatazz. And as long as there are artists doing that I still have hope of decent musical acts breaking through. There is absolutely a mechanism to take an act (even a rock band) from debut to biggest act in the world in just a couple years. It just hasn't been happening for rock acts. I think expecting many rock acts to succeed as Oasis did kind of diminishes the significance of what Oasis actually accomplished. It's not common and like rifles said requires a perfect storm. |
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Post by Rita on Feb 15, 2012 13:48:28 GMT -5
To be brief, today's musical culture simply will not allow or accommodate a rise to fame like that of Oasis. Everything today is too calculated for that to ever happen. Sorry, but we will never see it again. Adele is matching or exceeding Oasis' rise in the 90's worldwide right now. So that's malarkey. I know that that is a different genre. But the fact is that she is different from the rest of mainstream pop (Lady Gaga, Rhianna, Katy Perry, Ke$ha) but she has managed to break through in a massive way. Adele might be massive in sales and all that, but as far as I'm concerned that in itself doesn't make her anything remotely close to what Oasis were in the 90's. It's more than just the music and it's more than just the sales. Adele is not influencing a whole generation, people are not trying to look like her, talk like her, to be her. And that's what Oasis did, they were the voice of a generation and gave hope to youth at a time when it was needed. They took an the old tale of Rock and Roll and re-told it to the 15 year-old, and made them part of it. And that's what it was about! It was all about celebrating life and the feeling of togetherness and brotherhood. It was the songs, the people in the band and there attitude and the fans that made it happen that way. And I think it's extremely negative to think that it can't happen again!! If you think about it, the situation now is bad - in music and in societies. I come from a country where there is absolutely NO HOPE for anyone coming out of school, and it's happening all over. Technology is not an obstacle because at the end of the day it's all about the PEOPLE. It's the people who make the party, it's the people who make times exciting and if a band of great people is inspiring enough to come along and actually make the kids see that, and re-tell that old story again then there is no doubt that it's going to happen again. There's a whole new scene on the making, I can feel that, it's been boring for too long. Just you wait and see. |
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Post by dion on Feb 15, 2012 15:31:09 GMT -5
The Spice Girls had more of an influence on British music culture than Adele, never mind Oasis.
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Post by RocketMan on Feb 15, 2012 17:05:21 GMT -5
i love people trying to imitate liam. the walk and how they speak. thats so ludicrous
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Post by mimmihopps on Feb 16, 2012 9:18:47 GMT -5
i love people trying to imitate liam. the walk and how they speak. thats so ludicrous They're and they'll stay nothing, but just copy cats. |
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Post by supersonic1983 on Feb 16, 2012 9:36:57 GMT -5
i love people trying to imitate liam. the walk and how they speak. thats so ludicrous Come off it, Liam's just an exaggerated version of Ian Brown. |
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Post by dion on Feb 16, 2012 16:34:19 GMT -5
Well the way they talk would be because they're both Mancunian...
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Post by caro on Feb 16, 2012 17:41:05 GMT -5
supersonic, do you talk like liam and noel?  |
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Post by supersonic1983 on Feb 17, 2012 6:12:09 GMT -5
supersonic, do you talk like liam and noel? Only when I'm trading on my working-class roots. |
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