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Post by songbirdsally on Jan 23, 2012 4:13:56 GMT -5
So it was anounced with much furore in july last year, but when are we ever going to get it?!
First Noel said it was pushed back a few times because the HFB album was such a success and they wanted to get everything out of it. Seemed fair to me. A release straight after the festival season (mid october) would seem logical.
But now in the Triple J interview Noel said it's been pushed back even further, to a release somewhere in the beginning of next year. (That's over 18 moths after it was anounced!!)
Btw:
Do you think it could have anything to do with Beady Eye changing management? Maybe they wanted the AA album out before Beady Eye was comming with their second album. But now that Beady Eye changed management, there's probably no reason anymore to do so. Seems like both albums will be out around the same time now!
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Post by spaneli on Jan 23, 2012 5:29:07 GMT -5
Noel has basically said that the AA guys haven't finished it yet. He thought they'd be finished around this time, but it seems as if they keep going back and editing and remixing tracks. So because of the delay with the AA guys, the album has been pushed back. It seems as if Noel has complete trust in the AA guys and the release of the album will depend on whenever they get it done. I'd be completely surprised if this album got pushed back anymore. Considering he's basically giving them about 4 more months to get it done. I'd like to think that Noel has either finally given them hard date to be done by, or will be giving them one soon. As much as he trusts the AA guys, I think even he knows that he has to release this album soon in order to set up tour dates, interviews, and other promo work.
I think what will happen is that Noel will continue touring the HFB's album until probably late October. He'll probably take a month off or so, we'll get a single by mid December and the album will be released around late January or early February.
I don't think this has anything to do with Beady Eye.
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Post by songbirdsally on Jan 23, 2012 6:05:55 GMT -5
He said in his press conference he had completed two the two albums and that they were ready for release.
And in the Q article from a while ago he repeted it was finished before the press conference, but then AA took two songs back to remix again which were completed in Nov 2011.
So it's definitely finished and that can't be the reason to keep pushing it back.
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Post by spaneli on Jan 23, 2012 6:29:15 GMT -5
He said in his press conference he had completed two the two albums and that they were ready for release. And in the Q article from a while ago he repeted it was finished before the press conference, but then AA took two songs back to remix again which were completed in Nov 2011. So it's definitely finished and that can't be the reason to keep pushing it back. I'm pretty sure it's not "complete". Noel probably thought it was complete but as you pointed out the AA guys did take a couple tracks to remix. And in the recent Gold Coast interview (which is in the Noel news section) Noel said that he thought the album would be complete before the end of his tour, but that it wasn't. So i think it has everything to to with the AA guys. As I said, I think they've basically been taking tracks and telling Noel that they have to be remixed and if I had to guess I don't think they've only asked once for a couple of songs. I think they've been going back and forth continually adding to the songs. But that's just a guess on my part. Either way, the trust that Noel has in the AA guys is starting to worry me a bit. |
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Post by gdforever on Jan 23, 2012 11:16:09 GMT -5
I don't think that he is saying 2013 because the AA are stil working on a couple tracks.
Seems to me the AA are the kind of guys that'll just keep fiddling away for ages . I can't imagine that the songs are changing shape dramatically. They could probably be finished pretty quick anytime that Noel said "alright we need a version to go to press."
Pushing back the recordings for a YEAR because the mixes aren't right? That's a cause for massive alarm...because that would mean the AA are anticipating needing like 6-8 more month on mixing! That's more than fiddling with a couple tracks.
I really think that the primary concern for when to release this album is the success of HFB in England as opposed the concerns about the 2nd album being finished.
I think that the management and Noel are just a bit confused and unsure about what is going to happen.
Presumably the template the were looking at was somewhere between DOYS and DGSS in terms of longevity and sales. I don't think that they dreamed it would have more longevity than DOYS but it has. Now I think that they don't know what it's going to do.
I think it might still be out end of this year. Who knows though. None of us imagined the album would have been top 20 3 1/2 months after it's release.
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Post by mossy on Jan 23, 2012 11:31:21 GMT -5
Companion albums should be released closely together. 6 months seperation maximum. It's ridiculous to release them nearly 18 months apart in my humble opinion.
the rumours prior to the album launch about management disliking the AA album due to lack of commercial viability could be true. Perhaps the remixes were to make for a more radio-friendly single or two?
AA tweaking is not the reason for the delay. Seems like they want to wait for HFB sales to die out completely before releasing the second album incase it negatively affects sales??
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Post by therover on Jan 23, 2012 12:21:59 GMT -5
It will never see the light of day.
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Post by Rifles on Jan 23, 2012 12:35:39 GMT -5
AA tweaking is not the reason for the delay. Seems like they want to wait for HFB sales to die out completely before releasing the second album incase it negatively affects sales?? I'm thinking that makes sense from a strategic standpoint. The last thing you want is for people to get excited about it and then have some backlash while on the road touring the first one. You might as well ride it out completely and then take your chances. It also looks as though he won't be touring the AA album, or if he does it will be a very short tour I'd have thought. I don't see Noel touring HFB for an entire year and then turning around and touring the AA album as well. I'm guessing their strategy has changed dramatically with the success of HFB. It may not even be out of the question that he's recouping the costs of both albums with this tour and the AA album release will be a much more subdued affair. It's an interesting situation because you don't want to kill the momentum of HFB with some obscure album that the general public will probably hate. He's almost forced to release it under a different name at this point. |
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Post by warewolf95 on Jan 23, 2012 16:24:15 GMT -5
That was one of Prince's major problems back in the 90's, that he would release album after album without allowing the time for them to be properly promoted, so thats probably what Noel's trying to avoid.
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Post by mossy on Jan 23, 2012 16:42:27 GMT -5
I understand the logic, but it doesn't make it any less frustrating being a fan knowing there's an album sitting there fully complete, like a citrus and honey aural cocktail waiting to be trickled slowly into my ears...
And because Noel is one almighty lazy git it'll give him an excuse to have more time off before album 3. I wish he'd released a double album or put the AA disc out on a ltd edition version as the bonus material.
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Post by therover on Jan 23, 2012 17:12:01 GMT -5
He should be releasing Freaky Teeth as a single now instead of Dream On.
Freaky Teeth can be used to promote the tour and will act as a bridge and form of promotion for the new album, meaning that it can be released earlier.
Releasing Dream On as a single is pointless quite frankly.
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Post by gdforever on Jan 23, 2012 17:22:41 GMT -5
Why promote an almost sold out tour and an album that you don't know when you are going to release when you have an album in the top 20?
Particularly since Dream On will promote the tour as much as Freaky Teeth would.
I'll bet that Freaky Teeth had been planned as a single instead of DO at about this time before they pushed the AA album back.
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Post by Rifles on Jan 23, 2012 17:51:43 GMT -5
Freaky Teeth > Dream On every day of the week. Freaky Teeth would push the album back to #1 where it would subsequently stay until everyone got sick of listening to Freaky Teeth...possibly never.
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Post by Nyron Nosworthy on Jan 23, 2012 17:54:17 GMT -5
Catch 22 situation. Promotion is the key, but I'm not really sure how an artist like Noel can promote the AA album whilst HFB is still selling relatively well and he is still touring that album. It would be seen as an afterthought, particularly if it features a remixed HFB single.
At the same time, he's already announced it's release, we know it was recorded and the vast majority completed between 2010-2011, releasing it in late 2012/early 2013 is bordering on ridiculous. We know the situation as hardcore fans, but will the casual listener not think "if your songs are so good, why didn't you release them sooner?"
Personally I think he's doing the right thing by delaying it and I don't blame him for waiting for HFB to ride at all, but in hindsight I think it was a mistake announcing it when he did. They clearly weren't anticipating HFB to take off as it has.
I'd also bet that it was finished last summer and that they'll have only asked AA to re-work it once the decision was made to delay it.
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Post by gdforever on Jan 23, 2012 18:03:25 GMT -5
I understand the logic, but it doesn't make it any less frustrating being a fan knowing there's an album sitting there fully complete, like a citrus and honey aural cocktail waiting to be trickled slowly into my ears... And because Noel is one almighty lazy git it'll give him an excuse to have more time off before album 3. I wish he'd released a double album or put the AA disc out on a ltd edition version as the bonus material. I'm kind of liking this idea of this AA album being separately and a bit later than originally planned because it'll be a nice bridge between albums. Something that can just be out there to enjoy while Noel has a bit of time out. And then by the time we are getting bored he's ready to go again hopefully. I definitely like it better than getting 20-some tracks at once and then nothing for 2-3 years And an extra 14 tracks on the ltd. edition of a 10 track album is just a little bit insane. |
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Post by mossy on Jan 23, 2012 20:10:58 GMT -5
Gdforever I'm afraid I disagree. He should of used the bonus tracks like ASGOG to make it a TRIPLE album and the sleeve notes should have been written in his own blood. ;-)
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Post by manualex on Jan 23, 2012 20:15:57 GMT -5
Gdforever I'm afraid I disagree. He should of used the bonus tracks like ASGOG to make it a TRIPLE album and the sleeve notes should have been written in his own blood. ;-) The third one would consist of jams and covers(of oasis ofc) for the lulz? just like a certain beatle?  |
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Post by gdforever on Jan 23, 2012 20:17:13 GMT -5
Gdforever I'm afraid I disagree. He should of used the bonus tracks like ASGOG to make it a TRIPLE album and the sleeve notes should have been written in his own blood. ;-) Get this man a job in Noel's office |
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Post by GIMH on Jan 24, 2012 2:23:19 GMT -5
I take everything Noel says about this album's release date with a pinch of salt, tbh I still expect it to drop this year, after all, this time last year he was claiming he had yet to record anything. He just likes blagging about these things.
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Post by warewolf95 on Jan 24, 2012 17:49:51 GMT -5
Gdforever I'm afraid I disagree. He should of used the bonus tracks like ASGOG to make it a TRIPLE album and the sleeve notes should have been written in his own blood. ;-) LOL, pull a George Harrison - release a fantastic triple album, follow it with mostly mediocrity, then gtfo of the industry and become a racing enthusiast  |
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Post by deadman on Jan 24, 2012 18:02:22 GMT -5
If Dream On is going to be the final single from the album in, say, February or March, and Noel is touring until the festivals in August, why the need for the big gap? I don't think the live dates alone will sustain the album all the way until the summer, you need something on the radio to back it up. They've already royally fucked up the release of the most radio friendly single on the album (If I Had A Gun), by releasing it during the Christmas dead season (good luck getting sustained airplay on MOR stations past the 101 Christmas staples...), so unless Noel is looking for a stand alone summer EP, or even a 5th single, then I don't see the need for a big delay unless Noel just wants 6 months off after the end of the tour. Either that, or the relative success of the album has them scared about following it up with a less mainstream product.
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Post by LlAM on Jan 26, 2012 5:59:01 GMT -5
It delayed due to the success of his current album.
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Post by mossy on Jan 26, 2012 8:20:35 GMT -5
More AA album news in the NME special due on the 2nd Feb. someone scan and upload please...
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Post by matt on Jan 26, 2012 10:18:19 GMT -5
As long as it's got Freaky Teeth on the album, it should be alright for sales and promotion. Why should the management care whether its mainstream or not? Zooropa by U2 was released to sort of accompany Achtung Baby and that's a great album despite it not being mainstream.
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Post by matt on Jan 28, 2012 19:40:01 GMT -5
They've pushed it back to autumn for the Bond film Skyfall as Freaky Teeth will be the theme tune. Dunno, just a wild theory to get the rumour mill going again.
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