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Post by NYR on Nov 18, 2011 0:29:18 GMT -5
let's get real, l4e. you'd be 1000% for this if these people were republicans.
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Post by globe on Nov 18, 2011 6:12:05 GMT -5
Say what you want about the Tea Party Please don't tempt me. They should go back to their jobs, find a job, or try and start their own business. I saw an artilce the other day saying that the "99%" should be Time Magazine's Person of the year. I wish to be no part of that. Agree with that, same with the numptys in London. Riddle me this: Why do the supporters support Obama, and why does Obama support the protesters? I don't think adding what he has to the deficit is going to help matters. I don't think that his failed stimulus helped, either. But ok, whatever. Let the blind follow the blind. And still, no one has given any answer why The Tea Party were criticized when they held respectable protests and actually mounted to something whereas the media ignore the nonsense of OWS. My guess is that you all know there's a double standard at play here. Turn off Fox News? Please. How about you turn off all your liberal channels. New Poll: 63% disapprove of the movement, only 23% support it. My job here is done. You do know all politicians are liars right? No he doesn't, this is his idea of how politics works: "liberals" = bad "conservatives" = good
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Post by masterplan200 on Nov 18, 2011 6:53:19 GMT -5
No he doesn't, this is his idea of how politics works: "liberals" = bad "conservatives" = good Which could explain why my cousin thinks all conservatives are nuts (he is an ex soldier looking to blow stuff up for the section he works in, if you want him to he will)
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Post by NYR on Nov 18, 2011 9:07:16 GMT -5
you're right, buttcheeks. these OWS people don't know what they're talking about. things are just fine right now! our generation is being continuously sold out by those in washington d.c. and are sent to die for countless wars that we can't afford. unemployment and the wealth gap haven't been this high since the great depression, tax cuts are being given only to the richest americans while the rest of the country have to pay more just to make up the difference, and the people who put us in this mess in the first place are being given bailout money and golden parachutes instead of jail sentences. but you're right, cheeks, things are perfect just the way they are.
you remind me if a quote by john steinbeck: "socialism never took root in america because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires."
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Nov 18, 2011 9:18:58 GMT -5
you're right, buttcheeks. these OWS people don't know what they're talking about. things are just fine right now! our generation is being continuously sold out by those in washington d.c. and are sent to die for countless wars that we can't afford. unemployment and the wealth gap haven't been this high since the great depression, tax cuts are being given only to the richest americans while the rest of the country have to pay more just to make up the difference, and the people who put us in this mess in the first place are being given bailout money and golden parachutes instead of jail sentences. but you're right, cheeks, things are perfect just the way they are. you remind me if a quote by john steinbeck: "socialism never took root in america because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires." Protest Obama, then. He's had 3 years to improve everything, and all he's done is make everything worse - including involving us in another meaningless war (sorry, 'Kinetic Military Action' whatever the fuck that means) in Libya. He's outspent Bush's 8 year term in his first 2 years and added greatly onto the deficit. He spent most of his time ramming through an unpopular health care bill which will probably be deemed unconstitutional by the Supreme Court or repealed in 2013 by the Republican President and Republican Senate and House, instead of focusing on the economy. He promised the stimulus would keep unemployment below 8%, but it's topped 9% during his entire presidency. And do I even need to mention Solyndra? Yet the protesters support him, and he supports the protesters. Yeah. That makes a lot of sense. Again, put down the protest signs and enroll in a class or go on job search sites. Shouting slogans won't get you anywhere. Try bettering yourself instead of making demands that will lead to nowhere. There is nothing wrong about being the 1%. Frankly, we all should be working to get as close to that 1% as much as possible. The situation is akin to the protesters in England - which we ALL denounced. It's not to that extremity, but the comparisons are there. Yet again, a double standard. And still a double standard further when you think of how the Tea Party were ridiculed. If OWS was a right wing movement, you lot would be raging, and so would the media. Consistency, please. As I said: Protest all you want. I'm striving to be the 1%. I probably will never make it to the 1%, but having goals will get me as close as possible. Shouting slogans on the street, however, accomplishes nothing. Simple as.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Nov 18, 2011 9:36:22 GMT -5
But the transfer of a one and a half trillion dollars to the top 1% with only half a trillion filtering back down again over a number of years is what has caused your crash. People have to borrow against there property because there wages have been dropping because of this transfer of wealth. It was unsustainable and when the property market crashed the whole thing fell apart.
The top 1% will always earn a fantastic amount of money and they will always be there whats needed according to many on Wall Street is simply a redistribution of wealth in a more reasonable way to prevent this happening again.
You are not comparing the situation to the London riots are you? OWS actually have some sort of message whether you agree with it or not, the looters in London were trying to get themselves a new pair of trains and a plasma TV.
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Post by gdforever on Nov 18, 2011 9:42:36 GMT -5
you're right, buttcheeks. these OWS people don't know what they're talking about. things are just fine right now! our generation is being continuously sold out by those in washington d.c. and are sent to die for countless wars that we can't afford. unemployment and the wealth gap haven't been this high since the great depression, tax cuts are being given only to the richest americans while the rest of the country have to pay more just to make up the difference, and the people who put us in this mess in the first place are being given bailout money and golden parachutes instead of jail sentences. but you're right, cheeks, things are perfect just the way they are. you remind me if a quote by john steinbeck: "socialism never took root in america because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires." Protest Obama, then. He's had 3 years to improve everything, and all he's done is make everything worse - including involving us in another meaningless war (sorry, 'Kinetic Military Action' whatever the fuck that means) in Libya. He's outspent Bush's 8 year term in his first 2 years and added greatly onto the deficit. He spent most of his time ramming through an unpopular health care bill which will probably be deemed unconstitutional by the Supreme Court or repealed in 2013 by the Republican President and Republican Senate and House, instead of focusing on the economy. He promised the stimulus would keep unemployment below 8%, but it's topped 9% during his entire presidency. And do I even need to mention Solyndra? Yet the protesters support him, and he supports the protesters. Yeah. That makes a lot of sense. Again, put down the protest signs and enroll in a class or go on job search sites. Shouting slogans won't get you anywhere. Try bettering yourself instead of making demands that will lead to nowhere. There is nothing wrong about being the 1%. Frankly, we all should be working to get as close to that 1% as much as possible. The situation is akin to the protesters in England - which we ALL denounced. It's not to that extremity, but the comparisons are there. Yet again, a double standard. And still a double standard further when you think of how the Tea Party were ridiculed. If OWS was a right wing movement, you lot would be raging, and so would the media. Consistency, please. As I said: Protest all you want. I'm striving to be the 1%. I probably will never make it to the 1%, but having goals will get me as close as possible. Shouting slogans on the street, however, accomplishes nothing. Simple as. And you still won't comment on the ACTUAL reason for the protests. You are chronically and terminally misinformed. I hope to god that you are laid off for something not your fault and that you can't find a job because there are none available to you because of the mistakes of these Wall Street assholes. Then I want to hear you talk your shit.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Nov 18, 2011 9:48:08 GMT -5
Protest Obama, then. He's had 3 years to improve everything, and all he's done is make everything worse - including involving us in another meaningless war (sorry, 'Kinetic Military Action' whatever the fuck that means) in Libya. He's outspent Bush's 8 year term in his first 2 years and added greatly onto the deficit. He spent most of his time ramming through an unpopular health care bill which will probably be deemed unconstitutional by the Supreme Court or repealed in 2013 by the Republican President and Republican Senate and House, instead of focusing on the economy. He promised the stimulus would keep unemployment below 8%, but it's topped 9% during his entire presidency. And do I even need to mention Solyndra? Yet the protesters support him, and he supports the protesters. Yeah. That makes a lot of sense. Again, put down the protest signs and enroll in a class or go on job search sites. Shouting slogans won't get you anywhere. Try bettering yourself instead of making demands that will lead to nowhere. There is nothing wrong about being the 1%. Frankly, we all should be working to get as close to that 1% as much as possible. The situation is akin to the protesters in England - which we ALL denounced. It's not to that extremity, but the comparisons are there. Yet again, a double standard. And still a double standard further when you think of how the Tea Party were ridiculed. If OWS was a right wing movement, you lot would be raging, and so would the media. Consistency, please. As I said: Protest all you want. I'm striving to be the 1%. I probably will never make it to the 1%, but having goals will get me as close as possible. Shouting slogans on the street, however, accomplishes nothing. Simple as. And you still won't comment on the ACTUAL reason for the protests. You are chronically and terminally misinformed. I hope to god that you are laid off for something not your fault and that you can't find a job because there are none available to you because of the mistakes of these Wall Street assholes. Then I want to hear you talk your shit. Please. I don't have a good job. I'm making far below the national average, and that's with a college degree! But you don't see my complaining, demanding, or protesting. No. Instead, I've enrolled in a paralegal course, and will eventually either go to law school or grad school. Again, therein lies the difference. Hard work pays dividends, demands and protests do not.
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Post by Rifles on Nov 18, 2011 9:50:34 GMT -5
Again, put down the protest signs and enroll in a class or go on job search sites. Shouting slogans won't get you anywhere. Try bettering yourself instead of making demands that will lead to nowhere. There is nothing wrong about being the 1%. Frankly, we all should be working to get as close to that 1% as much as possible. I totally agree with this sentiment. I'm less a complainer and more someone who thinks you should roll your sleeves up and get things done. I don't agree with your hate-mongering and the fact that you think everyone who disagrees with you is just a stupid liberal. Why on earth you would compare Libya to Iraq is insane. Libya took what, a month? I don't think there was a single US casualty. Hmmm...one takes 30 days, the other takes 8 years and costs billions upon billions of dollars. The fact that you think things would be ANY different if McCain or another Republican was in office instead of Obama shows just how delusional you are. It doesn't matter who is in there, things are going to be shit, because as someone else stated, the bank CEOs who fucked the entire country face no repercussions and most of them took the bailout money and gave themselves huge bonuses. Greed is running wild and no one has the balls to do anything about it.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Nov 18, 2011 10:00:31 GMT -5
Again, put down the protest signs and enroll in a class or go on job search sites. Shouting slogans won't get you anywhere. Try bettering yourself instead of making demands that will lead to nowhere. There is nothing wrong about being the 1%. Frankly, we all should be working to get as close to that 1% as much as possible. I totally agree with this sentiment. I'm less a complainer and more someone who thinks you should roll your sleeves up and get things done. I don't agree with your hate-mongering and the fact that you think everyone who disagrees with you is just a stupid liberal. Why on earth you would compare Libya to Iraq is insane. Libya took what, a month? I don't think there was a single US casualty. Hmmm...one takes 30 days, the other takes 8 years and costs billions upon billions of dollars. The fact that you think things would be ANY different if McCain or another Republican was in office instead of Obama shows just how delusional you are. It doesn't matter who is in there, things are going to be shit, because as someone else stated, the bank CEOs who fucked the entire country face no repercussions and most of them took the bailout money and gave themselves huge bonuses. Greed is running wild and no one has the balls to do anything about it. Libya was suppose to take days, according to Obama. It took half a year. We never had a clear mission. We had literally no vital interest. The war itself was unconstitutional (at least Iraq was approved by Congress. Congress wasn't even asked re: Libya. Way to go Obama). We didn't know who the rebels were. We wavered in our objectives - first we were just supporting, then we wanted Ghaddafi removed, then we were back to just supporting, then we were targeting Ghaddafi, but we only were supporting the rebels, then we killed him. And what did we end up with? A branch of Al-Qaeda taking hold of Libya. Pretty much expected based on what we found out about the rebels. Iraq made much more sense in context of the time than Libya. But don't get me started. Also, I didn't like McCain. I didn't vote in 2008 (still not even registered. But that's about to change). Back to my main point: Republicans believe hard work gets you somewhere. Liberals believe in entitlements. That's why I'm proud to be a Republican (although I'm pretty moderate, especially on social issues).
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Post by gdforever on Nov 18, 2011 10:02:35 GMT -5
And you still won't comment on the ACTUAL reason for the protests. You are chronically and terminally misinformed. I hope to god that you are laid off for something not your fault and that you can't find a job because there are none available to you because of the mistakes of these Wall Street assholes. Then I want to hear you talk your shit. Please. I don't have a good job. I'm making far below the national average, and that's with a college degree! But you don't see my complaining, demanding, or protesting. No. Instead, I've enrolled in a paralegal course, and will eventually either go to law school or grad school. Again, therein lies the difference. Hard work pays dividends, demands and protests do not. You don't have to agree with them to understand the point of the protest. But you won't even do that. It's not purely about them not having jobs. It's about the fact that the government refuse to step up and impose regulation. That big business are being allowed to lobby to the government into a standstill.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Nov 18, 2011 10:03:37 GMT -5
I totally agree with this sentiment. I'm less a complainer and more someone who thinks you should roll your sleeves up and get things done. I don't agree with your hate-mongering and the fact that you think everyone who disagrees with you is just a stupid liberal. Why on earth you would compare Libya to Iraq is insane. Libya took what, a month? I don't think there was a single US casualty. Hmmm...one takes 30 days, the other takes 8 years and costs billions upon billions of dollars. The fact that you think things would be ANY different if McCain or another Republican was in office instead of Obama shows just how delusional you are. It doesn't matter who is in there, things are going to be shit, because as someone else stated, the bank CEOs who fucked the entire country face no repercussions and most of them took the bailout money and gave themselves huge bonuses. Greed is running wild and no one has the balls to do anything about it. Back to my main point: Republicans believe hard work gets you somewhere. Liberals believe in entitlements. That's why I'm proud to be a Republican (although I'm pretty moderate, especially on social issues). hahahahahahahaha oh dear. You really believe that steaming heap of shit?
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Post by idledreamer on Nov 18, 2011 10:04:22 GMT -5
I hope to god that you are laid off for something not your fault and that you can't find a job because there are none available to you because of the mistakes of these Wall Street assholes. gah, i don't wish that on anyone! you're talking about taking someone's livelihood away..... tell me you didn't mean that.
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Post by gdforever on Nov 18, 2011 10:05:02 GMT -5
I totally agree with this sentiment. I'm less a complainer and more someone who thinks you should roll your sleeves up and get things done. I don't agree with your hate-mongering and the fact that you think everyone who disagrees with you is just a stupid liberal. Why on earth you would compare Libya to Iraq is insane. Libya took what, a month? I don't think there was a single US casualty. Hmmm...one takes 30 days, the other takes 8 years and costs billions upon billions of dollars. The fact that you think things would be ANY different if McCain or another Republican was in office instead of Obama shows just how delusional you are. It doesn't matter who is in there, things are going to be shit, because as someone else stated, the bank CEOs who fucked the entire country face no repercussions and most of them took the bailout money and gave themselves huge bonuses. Greed is running wild and no one has the balls to do anything about it. Libya was suppose to take days, according to Obama. It took half a year. We never had a clear mission. We had literally no vital interest. The war itself was unconstitutional (at least Iraq was approved by Congress. Congress wasn't even asked re: Libya. Way to go Obama). We didn't know who the rebels were. We wavered in our objectives - first we were just supporting, then we wanted Ghaddafi removed, then we were back to just supporting, then we were targeting Ghaddafi, but we only were supporting the rebels, then we killed him. And what did we end up with? A branch of Al-Qaeda taking hold of Libya. Pretty much expected based on what we found out about the rebels. Iraq made much more sense in context of the time than Libya. But don't get me started. Also, I didn't like McCain. I didn't vote in 2008 (still not even registered. But that's about to change). Back to my main point: Republicans believe hard work gets you somewhere. Liberals believe in entitlements. That's why I'm proud to be a Republican (although I'm pretty moderate, especially on social issues). Obama could have gotten Libya approved if he's lied like Bush did about Iraq.
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Post by gdforever on Nov 18, 2011 10:05:37 GMT -5
I hope to god that you are laid off for something not your fault and that you can't find a job because there are none available to you because of the mistakes of these Wall Street assholes. gah, i don't wish that on anyone! you're talking about taking someone's livelihood away..... tell me you didn't mean that. Of course I did literally mean that. It was a hyperbolic way of saying, "put yourself in the shoes of some of these people"
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Post by manualex on Nov 18, 2011 10:06:27 GMT -5
NL4E for 2030
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Nov 18, 2011 10:18:32 GMT -5
Back to my main point: Republicans believe hard work gets you somewhere. Liberals believe in entitlements. That's why I'm proud to be a Republican (although I'm pretty moderate, especially on social issues). hahahahahahahaha oh dear. You really believe that steaming heap of shit? Well, at least I didn't believe Obama's hope and change rhetoric. I said back then that all he was is an empty suit, and I've been proven right. I'm hoping that we get to change presidents in a years time!
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Nov 18, 2011 10:25:04 GMT -5
Libya was suppose to take days, according to Obama. It took half a year. We never had a clear mission. We had literally no vital interest. The war itself was unconstitutional (at least Iraq was approved by Congress. Congress wasn't even asked re: Libya. Way to go Obama). We didn't know who the rebels were. We wavered in our objectives - first we were just supporting, then we wanted Ghaddafi removed, then we were back to just supporting, then we were targeting Ghaddafi, but we only were supporting the rebels, then we killed him. And what did we end up with? A branch of Al-Qaeda taking hold of Libya. Pretty much expected based on what we found out about the rebels. Iraq made much more sense in context of the time than Libya. But don't get me started. Also, I didn't like McCain. I didn't vote in 2008 (still not even registered. But that's about to change). Back to my main point: Republicans believe hard work gets you somewhere. Liberals believe in entitlements. That's why I'm proud to be a Republican (although I'm pretty moderate, especially on social issues). Obama could have gotten Libya approved if he's lied like Bush did about Iraq. Yeah, ok. If Bush lied, so did Clinton and Gore in the 90s, and pretty much every one involved in government and security. The intel was wrong regarding WMD, but that doesn't mean Bush lied. Furthermore, there were tons of reasons to go to war in Iraq. The WMD issue was over played to convince the public, and it was general consensus at the time that Saddam had WMD. But Iraq was justified on so many other resolutions, as well. Libya, simply, was not. Again, best video comparing the two: Don't get me started on foreign policy.
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Post by Rifles on Nov 18, 2011 10:25:56 GMT -5
Also, I didn't like McCain. I didn't vote in 2008 (still not even registered. But that's about to change). I bet if he was President you would defend every boneheaded move he made though. Blind leading the blind as you say. Now I know you're just trolling, but I'll see your stereotype and raise you "Republicans are bigoted isolationist racists and liberals are whiny progressives".
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2011 11:05:56 GMT -5
with all the money in politics the protests and debates are all game shows
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Post by gdforever on Nov 18, 2011 11:06:18 GMT -5
Obama could have gotten Libya approved if he's lied like Bush did about Iraq. Yeah, ok. If Bush lied, so did Clinton and Gore in the 90s, and pretty much every one involved in government and security. The intel was wrong regarding WMD, but that doesn't mean Bush lied. Furthermore, there were tons of reasons to go to war in Iraq. The WMD issue was over played to convince the public, and it was general consensus at the time that Saddam had WMD. But Iraq was justified on so many other resolutions, as well. Libya, simply, was not. Again, best video comparing the two: Don't get me started on foreign policy. Fair enough...Bush didn't lie... There were cells of terrorists in Iraq that were connected with the 9-11 attack and WMD... Oh...wait. Interesting revisionist's history you have. Even though Bush misrepresented the truth to be able to invade Iraq it's OK because Hussein was an evil dictator that killed his own people and he needed to be taken down. On the other hand...they shouldn't have gotten involved in Libya because THAT dictator was simply evil and killed his own people! Much different. You're as bad as the so-called liberals in your inconsistency. You out and out denounce the Libya intervention while at the same time defending the intervention in Iraq. All the while complaining about people supporting the Libya but not Iraq. Despite the fact that Iraq took a almost a decade to accomplish and and Libya took a month. And Iraq took a trillion dollars...and Libya took around a billion. And the Americans lost 4500 soldiers in Iraq and none that I know of in Libya. The two situations don't truly stand up to comparison. The purpose of the Libya engagement was the assist an uprising already happening as opposed to initiating one. And America did not insert themselves as a leader in the region unlike in Iraq. Also TARP and the $700 billion bailout was not a Democratic initiative. It was pushed and signed into law by a Republican president. People like YOU love to pretend that it was purely a Democratic initiative so you can complain about their expenditures....when really those expenditures should probably go into the Bush column not the Obama column. In actuality from what I understand the handling of TARP has actually been significantly less burdensome to the taxpayer than the initial projection by the people that passed the bill. The initial loss anticipated was in the 100's of billions and the actual loss is anticipated to be around 20 billion.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Nov 18, 2011 11:18:26 GMT -5
^Saddam violated several UN Sanctions and Resolutions, which is enough reason to go to war. End of.
Iraq was a struggle, but at least it was clearly defined. Also, you're tantalizingly close to repeating Bush's mistake of "Mission Accomplished." I think it's way too soon to be seeing Libya as a success.....
Regarding TARP and other initiatives: the Democrats were essentially in control from 2006 through 2010. Just saying....
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Post by lionsden® on Nov 18, 2011 11:22:29 GMT -5
My God its a bit worrying that all of you have nothing negative to say about these protests, and just seem to enjoy taking shots at NL4E and his beliefs. I do not agree with everything that he has to say, nor am I a Fox News junkie, but I do believe that these people could put their efforts into something a bit more constructive. These protests and riots most times always lead to nowhere fast, although they have the right to do it if they so choose. Let our policemen focus on stopping crime instead of wasting their time on this. If these people want to make a difference, and get things changed, do it at the ballot box. Oh wait...They already did that, and look where that got us... For those of you who think it is easy for me to just say "Go get a job" when there are no jobs available, I stand by what I say. There are jobs out there. I live in an area with 12% + unemployment, and found myself in the same predicament...Looking for work, There were jobs out there for the taking, but instead I chose to start my own business. Granted I had some money in the bank that helped with my venture. (this could be a whole other topic regarding Americans and their saving/spending habits) My wife was able to find work fairly easily, and she is not even from this country (But here legally of course) It comes down to swallowing your pride, and maybe taking a job for less money than you may have been making at your last job you were laid off from. That was my predicament. There are too many lazy asses who sit on their bums and collect unemployment just waiting for that dream job to come available. I know this from first hand experience from people I know, or people that have stopped into my business looking for work. Had a guy stop in looking for a sales job. He said he was a super salesman, and would be worth every penny. He wanted $50,000 per year, (guaranteed for a year), a cell phone, and a company car, and not a penny less. I wanted to punch him in the face, and tell him go fuck yourself. He knew that I was a brand new business, and didn't have a bunch of cash to throw around. Ok rant over
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2011 11:39:40 GMT -5
i think we should get our tents and occupy glastobury time to demand the festival in 2012
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Post by gdforever on Nov 18, 2011 11:41:08 GMT -5
^Saddam violated several UN Sanctions and Resolutions, which is enough reason to go to war. End of. Iraq was a struggle, but at least it was clearly defined. Also, you're tantalizingly close to repeating Bush's mistake of "Mission Accomplished." I think it's way too soon to be seeing Libya as a success..... Regarding TARP and other initiatives: the Democrats were essentially in control from 2006 through 2010. Just saying.... Whatever. Forcing a revolution in Iraq was a mistake IMO. Supporting a revolution is a different proposal for me.
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