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Post by TheShakermaker on Nov 7, 2011 19:50:34 GMT -5
that there are all these if's and complaints regarding Noel? (And to a lesser degree BDI)
.. if Liam had sung the album it would be so much better
.. if BDI were the musicians i would like the live shows better
.. if Noel didn't play oasis songs, he wouldn't sell the same
.. Noel's voice won't last to sing every song
I don't get it. Oasis ended. Now there's BDI and NGHFB. No oasis. Why is that not enough, when most people agree anyway that the last few oasis albums lacked something?
Yes, Liam had or have a great, very distinct, rock'n'roll voice, and it was amazing for the oasis classics. But let's be honest, none of us knows how Liam would have sounded singing these songs, the whole album screams Noel, why is it not enough to enjoy that?
For the live shows, i like the sound. Mike Rowe brings something great to the songs, and it's refreshing in some way. If i want the other sound or something i'll dig out the bootlegs. End of story.
Regarding his singing, we, as oasis fans have been used to a singer that had some ups and downs on every tour. Noel isn't NEAR that in any way, and you complain? Will anything ever be good enough?
Would Noel sell out shows without oasis songs? Well, we won't know for now. Nobody knows the demand for tickets, or the reason for people to go. Just as we don't know if bdi would sell out bigger places if they did play oasis songs. Pointless really. My personal reason for going to see Noel is that i like the album and it's Noel. I would probably have gone no matter what he played. I didn't go to bdi because i don't like the album as much, and i thought that 70-80$ for an hour was ridiculous. (Happy i didn't go as they even cut that short with no explanation)
So, knowing that i will be branded a Noel fanboy, i'll admit already. Yes, i like his album better than BDI's. I still hope they come out with a great 2nd album, and tour here, and i'll even go if i like the album and they play as long as Noel does, which i regard as normal concert length. I respect them the utmost for not playing oasis songs, and proving themselves on their own, and i hope they stay this course, but i don't see a point in going to their show if i don't like the music. Yes, that simple.
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Post by sbajf on Nov 7, 2011 20:02:32 GMT -5
What?
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Post by thuperthonic on Nov 7, 2011 20:08:38 GMT -5
People like to moan.
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Post by masterplan2011 on Nov 7, 2011 20:11:16 GMT -5
I think I agree with most of your points and views but what's the point of having a forum if your not going to debate and discuss things. It would be a pretty boring place if everyone had the same viewpoint.
For instance, I think it is inevitable for people to imagine Liam singing Record Machine or If I Had A Gun for instance. Yeah, we don't know exactly what it would sound like but you can't say you haven't tried to imagine it in your head. If we can't discuss these ideas/fantasies on here then what chance do we have of discussing it with our Coldplay loving clueless physical friends.
This section is called Facts and Fiction, we need to create some fiction. Facts are boring.
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Post by bluemagpie on Nov 7, 2011 20:16:11 GMT -5
Thank you and K+. I'm sick of people complaining essentially about Oasis being over. There's not a single song on Noel's album I'd rather hear Liam singing - his voice just wouldn't fit. And of course then we'd have to listen to it deteriorate through the following tour, which was always fun. The live band's fine. They sound good and honestly I don't care too much about details like the drummer's style not being exactly what some people wanted. The songs are stellar, Noel sounds great and is clearly enjoying himself immensely - what more do you want? And can we put a lid on the "Hey, Noel should collaborate with BDI!  " jokes? They weren't funny the first time. |
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Post by TheShakermaker on Nov 7, 2011 20:20:50 GMT -5
I think I agree with most of your points and views but what's the point of having a forum if your not going to debate and discuss things. It would be a pretty boring place if everyone had the same viewpoint. For instance, I think it is inevitable for people to imagine Liam singing Record Machine or If I Had A Gun for instance. Yeah, we don't know exactly what it would sound like but you can't say you haven't tried to imagine it in your head. If we can't discuss these ideas/fantasies on here then what chance do we have of discussing it with our Coldplay loving clueless physical friends. This section is called Facts and Fiction, we need to create some fiction. Facts are boring. You're right. There just seems to be so much disappointment/anger/something when these thoughts are posted, that's what i don't get. And it seems to go only one way.. I didn't imagine how it would sound on those songs until i started reading all these threads, because i like both songs. And i really don't feel this is a typical liam album. I would probably like it less if liam sang, just like i would like btl less if noel sang. |
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Post by ournoel55 on Nov 7, 2011 20:22:45 GMT -5
I'll see the show in Philly at the end of this week, but my one takeaway from listening to some of the gigs is that Noel's voice isn't soooooooo strong. When he was doing the occassional song in the Oasis set, he sounded miles better than Liam and I thought Noel would be perfect. However, singing all night is going to wear on you, and don't get me wrong, Noel still sounds fantastic. But, he's got some quakes and some off-key notes here and there.
Basically, it makes me give Liam some slack. However, I am surprised he's playing so many Oasis songs in his set, especially opening with two. Thank God he's playing Mucky Fingers, love that one....but who actually thought he'd play Wonderwall?
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Post by masterplan2011 on Nov 7, 2011 20:31:24 GMT -5
I think I agree with most of your points and views but what's the point of having a forum if your not going to debate and discuss things. It would be a pretty boring place if everyone had the same viewpoint. For instance, I think it is inevitable for people to imagine Liam singing Record Machine or If I Had A Gun for instance. Yeah, we don't know exactly what it would sound like but you can't say you haven't tried to imagine it in your head. If we can't discuss these ideas/fantasies on here then what chance do we have of discussing it with our Coldplay loving clueless physical friends. This section is called Facts and Fiction, we need to create some fiction. Facts are boring. You're right. There just seems to be so much disappointment/anger/something when these thoughts are posted, that's what i don't get. And it seems to go only one way.. I didn't imagine how it would sound on those songs until i started reading all these threads, because i like both songs. And i really don't feel this is a typical liam album. I would probably like it less if liam sang, just like i would like btl less if noel sang. Yeah I can only really imagine Liam singing on RM and If I Had a Gun, I don't know why but I think it would take them to a new level. The rest of the album I think suits Noel's voice perfectly. However like you though I would never really thought that Noel's voice was deteriorating until I read some of these threads and I still don't think it's deteriorating. |
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Post by bluemagpie on Nov 7, 2011 20:39:39 GMT -5
^See, to me IIHAG is so Noel that I've been really surprised to read so many people saying that. I just can't imagine Liam getting the delivery right.
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Post by masterplan2011 on Nov 7, 2011 20:47:27 GMT -5
^See, to me IIHAG is so Noel that I've been really surprised to read so many people saying that. I just can't imagine Liam getting the delivery right. Yeah I can imagine him pulling it off. I'd say he has secretly tried playing along to a few of these songs on the guitar and tried singing them. Would you agree though that Record Machine was nailed on for Liam, didn't Noel say that he tried to get Liam to demo it or was that another song? |
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Post by TheShakermaker on Nov 7, 2011 20:55:15 GMT -5
^See, to me IIHAG is so Noel that I've been really surprised to read so many people saying that. I just can't imagine Liam getting the delivery right. Yeah I can imagine him pulling it off. I'd say he has secretly tried playing along to a few of these songs on the guitar and tried singing them. Would you agree though that Record Machine was nailed on for Liam, didn't Noel say that he tried to get Liam to demo it or was that another song? I don't see it with IIHAG. I see it with RM though. They recorded it for several oasis albums. Was ment to be on the last album instead of goyhhl. One story has it that liam didn't show up in the studio the day they were recording vocals, but who knows. |
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Post by bluemagpie on Nov 7, 2011 21:06:13 GMT -5
^See, to me IIHAG is so Noel that I've been really surprised to read so many people saying that. I just can't imagine Liam getting the delivery right. Yeah I can imagine him pulling it off. I'd say he has secretly tried playing along to a few of these songs on the guitar and tried singing them. Would you agree though that Record Machine was nailed on for Liam, didn't Noel say that he tried to get Liam to demo it or was that another song? Haha, I'm sure you're right - he'd certainly want to give them a try. I could see Liam singing RM (yes, it was one of the songs that would've been on DOYS - the official line is that Liam left for two days to get married without telling anyone and they ran out of studio time) but I don't mind that he doesn't. |
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Post by basiloasis1974 on Nov 7, 2011 21:10:45 GMT -5
I know this probably won't ever happen......but is The 'Sis did reform for a What's The Story 20th anniversary tour I would like to here Liam singing a couple of HFB tunes mainly EOTR & RM. Don't think Noel would EVER let that happen now though would he?
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Post by drteter on Nov 7, 2011 22:05:02 GMT -5
^See, to me IIHAG is so Noel that I've been really surprised to read so many people saying that. I just can't imagine Liam getting the delivery right. Agreed. Record Machine is much more Liam's speed and is the only song on the album that I could imagine Liam singing. That said, I'm quite content with Noel's voice on all these songs. I wouldn't want Liam to sing on this record. |
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Post by novascotialad on Nov 7, 2011 22:24:30 GMT -5
so you started a thread to moan about people moaning? failure.
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Post by drteter on Nov 7, 2011 22:25:05 GMT -5
I know this probably won't ever happen......but is The 'Sis did reform for a What's The Story 20th anniversary tour I would like to here Liam singing a couple of HFB tunes mainly EOTR & RM. Don't think Noel would EVER let that happen now though would he? I would think they'd agree not to play any songs from their solo work since it's an Oasis gig. |
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Post by bluemagpie on Nov 7, 2011 22:39:42 GMT -5
so you started a thread to moan about people moaning? failure. Asking a question does not equal moaning. |
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Post by jedimasterg on Nov 7, 2011 23:22:59 GMT -5
Im convinced Liam has hired people to post stuff like that here. It is bull shit and makes no sense. Someone is trying to put thoughts in our heads or in new comers. Bottom line is Liam is nothing with out Noel. He kinda has a voice but not shit worth while to sing. Only song i thought was decent but mediocore is The Roller.Liam sings with feelings, Noel sings with scincere emotion. I prfer Noel.
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Post by howsoonisnow on Nov 8, 2011 5:12:48 GMT -5
As good as Noel is singing on this album, and he's really good, it's just will never be as good as if Liam has done it for me and a lot of people.
But in the Oasis fan world, there is people who prefer Noel's voice and think Liam is useless. That's beyond me but hey."
It's just so obvious that EBOTR, IIHAG or Record machine would have been instant classics if Liam had sung on it. It's just so obvious, I don't know how you manage to thinks Noel's better on those. Just the way he pushes his voice on Everybody, the way he sings the "sealinnnnggg", it doesn't remind you Liam at all? You really never picture Liam strong voice on those lines ? Never?
Cause if it's the case good for you, I'm really happy with it too, but I'll always be a little frustated.
And of couse Noel's album is far better than the BDI one, it bugs me how people always confuse things. Liam is obviously a better singer and Noel is obviously a better songwritter but to justify that they prefer Noel voice, Noel fanboy always attack Liam's songwritting, It's not the question is it?
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Post by armanizam on Nov 8, 2011 5:24:18 GMT -5
I'm loving the situation right now. In one year, we got almost 40 new songs from the last incarnation of Oasis, which is probably the same number of songs that we got from 2005 to 2009!!! And 2012 is probably going to be even bigger, with both BDI and Noel releasing second albums  |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2011 6:19:11 GMT -5
As good as Noel is singing on this album, and he's really good, it's just will never be as good as if Liam has done it for me and a lot of people. But in the Oasis fan world, there is people who prefer Noel's voice and think Liam is useless. That's beyond me but hey." It's just so obvious that EBOTR, IIHAG or Record machine would have been instant classics if Liam had sung on it. It's just so obvious, I don't know how you manage to thinks Noel's better on those. Just the way he pushes his voice on Everybody, the way he sings the "sealinnnnggg", it doesn't remind you Liam at all? You really never picture Liam strong voice on those lines ? Never? Cause if it's the case good for you, I'm really happy with it too, but I'll always be a little frustated. And of couse Noel's album is far better than the BDI one, it bugs me how people always confuse things. Liam is obviously a better singer and Noel is obviously a better songwritter but to justify that they prefer Noel voice, Noel fanboy always attack Liam's songwritting, It's not the question is it? You've been trying to convince people (in many threads, yes) that Liam would sound better than Noel on several tracks, please, stop it. I agree that Record Machine would fit Liam more since it should have been on DOYS, but do you seriously thinks that he can handle EOTR and IIHAG??  He could, in 90s, but that was more than a decade ago. All of the tracks sounds great with Noel's voice, Oasis is over, get over it. |
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Post by howsoonisnow on Nov 8, 2011 7:33:02 GMT -5
You've been trying to convince people (in many threads, yes) that Liam would sound better than Noel on several tracks, please, stop it. I agree that Record Machine would fit Liam more since it should have been on DOYS, but do you seriously thinks that he can handle EOTR and IIHAG?? He could, in 90s, but that was more than a decade ago. All of the tracks sounds great with Noel's voice, Oasis is over, get over it. I'm just explained why some people moan about the album. I can understand that. I'm not complaining about le live show. I've seen Noel solo during the Stop the clock tour and it was brillant. I hope the live HFB show i'm going to see will be too. But for the album I understand why people are a little frustrating on some tracks. I'm not trying to convice anyone, I'm just explaining it. Otherwise, you're trying to convice me too by asking me if Liam could have sung those songs now. So the final answer is "Yes I really think he could" and "no you really think he couldn't". And sorry but if we have to think that everything Noel does is genius and couldn't have been better because Oasis is over, well we just should close the forum then... But it's an eternal debat so I'll stop, there'll always be people who prefer blue and people who prefer green so... |
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Post by BlueJay on Nov 8, 2011 7:41:17 GMT -5
Oasis could not have existed into a third decade. What be taking place now was what was inevtiable for ever has time bescourths.
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Post by bluemagpie on Nov 8, 2011 8:19:05 GMT -5
You've been trying to convince people (in many threads, yes) that Liam would sound better than Noel on several tracks, please, stop it. I agree that Record Machine would fit Liam more since it should have been on DOYS, but do you seriously thinks that he can handle EOTR and IIHAG?? He could, in 90s, but that was more than a decade ago. All of the tracks sounds great with Noel's voice, Oasis is over, get over it. I'm just explained why some people moan about the album. I can understand that. I'm not complaining about le live show. I've seen Noel solo during the Stop the clock tour and it was brillant. I hope the live HFB show i'm going to see will be too. But for the album I understand why people are a little frustrating on some tracks. I'm not trying to convice anyone, I'm just explaining it. Otherwise, you're trying to convice me too by asking me if Liam could have sung those songs now. So the final answer is "Yes I really think he could" and "no you really think he couldn't". And sorry but if we have to think that everything Noel does is genius and couldn't have been better because Oasis is over, well we just should close the forum then... But it's an eternal debat so I'll stop, there'll always be people who prefer blue and people who prefer green so... I see what you're saying (even if I disagree), I just take issue with your phrasing. "It's just so obvious" doesn't sound like an explanation. |
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Post by Norbert Gallhager on Nov 8, 2011 8:39:06 GMT -5
I'd say he has secretly tried playing along to a few of these songs on the guitar and tried singing them. I just recently imagined such a situation, too |
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He could, in 90s, but that was more than a decade ago. All of the tracks sounds great with Noel's voice, Oasis is over, get over it. 
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