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Post by forestfan on Nov 1, 2011 21:32:13 GMT -5
 this is not a thread to attack Noel or DBI short answer ; no and by the same token if BDI played oasis songs then maybe they could progress to arenas..but they are doing it on there own basically when you put it perspective the selling out of the 02 arena is probably down to the 9 oasis tunes over the new album while we are here do we think noel will progress to full on stadium tours?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2011 22:27:22 GMT -5
Does it matter? He is playing Oasis tunes and he is going to play arenas.
There is no definitive way to determine if he could or couldn't with or without Oasis tunes.
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Post by Peace Love & Bananas on Nov 1, 2011 22:42:55 GMT -5
There's Noel new material. And songs Noel wrote for Oasis. It is a very specious argument to say Noel is somehow exploiting "Oasis" ( as in Bonehead, Guigsy, Tony M, Alan W, Gem, Andy, Liam ) repertoire, given to the fact that he wrote pretty much 99% of the songs that made that band great FACT is Noel is preforming Noel Gallagher songs. He just simply does not have enough material to fill in the time it takes to put on a show and charge for it. End of.
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Post by gobblegobble on Nov 1, 2011 22:51:31 GMT -5
I think it'd be about the same regardless of what he plays. The only people who track down his set lists and finds out what he plays before the concert are the fans like us. Us fans, are going to go no matter what. The other people are going because it's Noel Gallagher, not because they absolutely know he'll play Oasis songs. Sure some might be let down when they get there, but the ticket would still got sold.
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Post by gdforever on Nov 1, 2011 22:51:59 GMT -5
There is no way to know for sure. But Noel probably will be a platinum selling solo artist by the end of the year...so chances are that he'd be significantly closer to this level than Beady Eye who barely got gold before dropping out of the charts.
Without his history in Oasis...probably not. He is basically selling them out based off a career of writing hit tunes and successful albums. Which tbh is fair enough.
BDI could only have sold out arenas if they were playing Noel written Oasis songs.
They weren't going to sell out the O2 playing BDI and Songbird, BOADC, TUTS, etc. Good though they are and as much as people on this board talk them up....those casual fans that will be attending Noel's gig? I doubt they'd be turning up in their droves to hear Songbird and GGTIA one more time.
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Post by Silence Dogood on Nov 2, 2011 0:01:07 GMT -5
i think he could, sure.
I mean, if he had announced a tour consisting of only 8 or 9 gigs in select cities, that tour being the one and only to promote this album release, he may been able to do so relying just on his new material. Of course people would've still gone hoping that he at least play DLBIA.
I believe Beady Eye would've been able to do the same thing tbqh. but who knows really?
Noel certainly felt the need to make half the setlist Oasis tunes. the man is smart and he knows what he's doing.
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Post by Silence Dogood on Nov 2, 2011 0:04:00 GMT -5
There is no way to know for sure. But Noel probably will be a platinum selling solo artist by the end of the year...so chances are that he'd be significantly closer to this level than Beady Eye who barely got gold before dropping out of the charts. Without his history in Oasis...probably not. He is basically selling them out based off a career of writing hit tunes and successful albums. Which tbh is fair enough. BDI could only have sold out arenas if they were playing Noel written Oasis songs. They weren't going to sell out the O2 playing BDI and Songbird, BOADC, TUTS, etc. Good though they are and as much as people on this board talk them up....those casual fans that will be attending Noel's gig? I doubt they'd be turning up in their droves to hear Songbird and GGTIA one more time. platinum where? just FYI here, an album needs to sell at least 1 million units to be considered platinum. |
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Post by manualex on Nov 2, 2011 0:07:32 GMT -5
There is no way to know for sure. But Noel probably will be a platinum selling solo artist by the end of the year...so chances are that he'd be significantly closer to this level than Beady Eye who barely got gold before dropping out of the charts. Without his history in Oasis...probably not. He is basically selling them out based off a career of writing hit tunes and successful albums. Which tbh is fair enough. BDI could only have sold out arenas if they were playing Noel written Oasis songs. They weren't going to sell out the O2 playing BDI and Songbird, BOADC, TUTS, etc. Good though they are and as much as people on this board talk them up....those casual fans that will be attending Noel's gig? I doubt they'd be turning up in their droves to hear Songbird and GGTIA one more time. platinum where? just FYI here, an album needs to sell at least 1 million units to be considered platinum. In the UK you dont need to sell 1 million albums to get platinum, you need to sell 300,000 copies |
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Post by gdforever on Nov 2, 2011 0:11:28 GMT -5
There is no way to know for sure. But Noel probably will be a platinum selling solo artist by the end of the year...so chances are that he'd be significantly closer to this level than Beady Eye who barely got gold before dropping out of the charts. Without his history in Oasis...probably not. He is basically selling them out based off a career of writing hit tunes and successful albums. Which tbh is fair enough. BDI could only have sold out arenas if they were playing Noel written Oasis songs. They weren't going to sell out the O2 playing BDI and Songbird, BOADC, TUTS, etc. Good though they are and as much as people on this board talk them up....those casual fans that will be attending Noel's gig? I doubt they'd be turning up in their droves to hear Songbird and GGTIA one more time. platinum where? just FYI here, an album needs to sell at least 1 million units to be considered platinum. In the region that he is playing arenas...I though that would have been self explanatory. Why would a UK arena tour be dependent on US sales? |
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Post by GIMH on Nov 2, 2011 1:37:04 GMT -5
He wouldn't be playing arenas without the Oasis songs because his set would be too short, regardless of whether he would or wouldn't sell them out.
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Post by shakermaicher on Nov 2, 2011 2:35:14 GMT -5
The bottom line is noel is more liked than Liam from the wider public, the casual music fan and non oasis fans. Noel will always sell more music and sell out bigger shows than Liam in uk.
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Post by yeayeayeah on Nov 2, 2011 3:57:31 GMT -5
Paul Mccaertney wouldn't be able to play stadiums if he didn't play Beatles songs. I don't see the problem as long as he plays lots of his new songs as well.
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Post by His Royal Noelness on Nov 2, 2011 4:05:28 GMT -5
The bottom line is noel is more liked than Liam from the wider public, the casual music fan and non oasis fans. Noel will always sell more music and sell out bigger shows than Liam in uk. This but how dare you talk sense. You'll have lgfaver on you next calling you names and then accusing you of starting it. LOL. Noel fanboy! |
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Post by songbirdsally on Nov 2, 2011 4:07:28 GMT -5
THe just simply does not have enough material to fill in the time it takes to put on a show and charge for it. End of. Bullshit. He has 9 album songs, 3 B-sides, AOTR and Freaky Teath. And he has the whole AA album finished as well of which he could play songs if he wanted. ANd there's always the possibility to do a cover as well. If he wanted to there's no need for him to play Oasis songs. And definitely no need to play 9 of them! The only people who track down his set lists and finds out what he plays before the concert are the fans like us. Us fans, are going to go no matter what. The other people are going because it's Noel Gallagher, not because they absolutely know he'll play Oasis songs. Bullshit again. The whole of the UK (even people who are not at all interested in music) probably knew Beady Eye wasn't playing Oasis songs and definitely knew Noel was playing Oasis songs. He said so in his very first press conference ffs. It was like a headline the next day in all tabloids, music magazines, it was a seperate video on Youtube, ... And he's said so in every single interview he's done and in every acoustic session he's done he played at least one Oasis song. To get back to the OP. Depends on how many he would put on. If he had done exactly the same venues then he is doing now I don't think he would've sold out an arena tour in march without Oasis songs. If it would be a very limited arena tour then maybe. He definitely would've gotten more fans than Beady Eye anyways cause he's just more popular in general. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2011 4:58:12 GMT -5
He just simply does not have enough material to fill in the time it takes to put on a show and charge for it. End of. well, that's not true is it? SGOG and LTLSALOM are long tunes, AOTR too, a cover or two maybe... and there isn't a law about how long a gig should be y'know. personally I think all bands should be limited to 45 mins max! |
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Post by deasy on Nov 2, 2011 5:12:14 GMT -5
platinum where? just FYI here, an album needs to sell at least 1 million units to be considered platinum. Platinum is different in every country. 1 million USA to 300k in the UK to 15k in Ireland  On topic, I believe he still would be playing arenas. The album has sold extremely well so far. It looks like it could become one of the surprises of the 4th quarter. It has already outsold the Arctic Monkeys, Kasabian and the RHCP's latest albums in the UK, after only a few weeks sales. |
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Post by deasy on Nov 2, 2011 5:13:10 GMT -5
personally I think all bands should be limited to 1 hour min! I fixed it for you  |
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Post by jaq515 on Nov 2, 2011 5:33:13 GMT -5
i think on the strength of the album he would have ended up playing arenas but not this fast, maybe next autumn
The album is performing well but its not "a break out" album as such.
Everybody knew he would be playing oasis songs, thats why he managed to fill arenas so fast.
Any one who went to the DOYS tour can't argue 1/2 the crowd was there to hear the hits wonder wall, dlbia, half the world away etc
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Post by howsoonisnow on Nov 2, 2011 8:50:53 GMT -5
No, of course not and the people who think he could are out of reality. Most of the audience came to Oasis stadium gig because they were paying Wonderwall and DLBIA, people come to see Noel in arena for the same reason. Most of the audience didn't care about DBTT or DOYS and most of the people won't care of HFB, they're here to heard the hits. That's the end of it.
I wouldn't have seen Ray davies if he hadn't played Kinks song and that 's because I don't care of his career after their iconic band. Same things when I saw Morrissey, I like some of his solo album but without some Smiths' tunes, I wouldn't have come. Because I'm not a die hard fan.
For Noel or Liam, I would go even if they just read the phone book. But that's because I'm a die hard fan. But die hard Oasis fan don't fill a arena by themselves.
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Post by liamgallagher1992 on Nov 2, 2011 13:52:20 GMT -5
There is abseloutely no chance Noel would sell out arenas playing The High Flying Birds album, the b-sides and a few tracks off the AA album.
As much as there are great songs on the new album and the last few Oasis albums there will always be a vast majority of the crowd who are only there for the classics. And i bet there will even be people there who haven't even bothered to listen to anything Oasis post Be Here Now.
Noel stated from the start he was playing Oasis songs. Beady Eye stated from the start they were not. That is the difference.
If Beady Eye had carried on as Oasis 2.0 and played the classics aswell they would also sell out Arenas imo.
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Post by ETrilk on Nov 2, 2011 20:14:37 GMT -5
I appreciate the "this is not an attack on Noel" but does it matter if he would sell out or not? The fact that he IS playing Oasis tunes is just the icing on the cake. I'm not sure if he would or not, certianly not in the States, but with Oasis tunes, he could certainly sell out smaller arenas around the world.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2011 23:16:41 GMT -5
No, of course not and the people who think he could are out of reality. Most of the audience came to Oasis stadium gig because they were paying Wonderwall and DLBIA, people come to see Noel in arena for the same reason. Most of the audience didn't care about DBTT or DOYS and most of the people won't care of HFB, they're here to heard the hits. That's the end of it. I wouldn't have seen Ray davies if he hadn't played Kinks song and that 's because I don't care of his career after their iconic band. Same things when I saw Morrissey, I like some of his solo album but without some Smiths' tunes, I wouldn't have come. Because I'm not a die hard fan. For Noel or Liam, I would go even if they just read the phone book. But that's because I'm a die hard fan. But die hard Oasis fan don't fill a arena by themselves. You don't pay high dollar to hear a few tunes that can be bought for .99 on iTunes. People went to Oasis gigs for the experience, not a couple of great tunes. I feel that Noel is in a similar situation. People genuinely like him and want to experience the brilliance that is Noel Gallagher. It really has nothing to do with Oasis tunes or not. |
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Post by GIMH on Nov 3, 2011 1:07:43 GMT -5
So by extension, do you think had Oasis announced, prior to the DOYS tour, that the set would consist of songs off that album and DBTT, that they'd have sold out Wembley and the likes?
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Post by howsoonisnow on Nov 3, 2011 4:53:54 GMT -5
No, of course not and the people who think he could are out of reality. Most of the audience came to Oasis stadium gig because they were paying Wonderwall and DLBIA, people come to see Noel in arena for the same reason. Most of the audience didn't care about DBTT or DOYS and most of the people won't care of HFB, they're here to heard the hits. That's the end of it. I wouldn't have seen Ray davies if he hadn't played Kinks song and that 's because I don't care of his career after their iconic band. Same things when I saw Morrissey, I like some of his solo album but without some Smiths' tunes, I wouldn't have come. Because I'm not a die hard fan. For Noel or Liam, I would go even if they just read the phone book. But that's because I'm a die hard fan. But die hard Oasis fan don't fill a arena by themselves. You don't pay high dollar to hear a few tunes that can be bought for .99 on iTunes. People went to Oasis gigs for the experience, not a couple of great tunes. I feel that Noel is in a similar situation. People genuinely like him and want to experience the brilliance that is Noel Gallagher. It really has nothing to do with Oasis tunes or not. Well you're really naive. And the post upstair is right, without the hits Oasis wouldn't have sold Wembley and it's the same here for Noel. There's no shame in saying it, Noel is aware of it. If I follow your idea, people just come to "experience Noel's briallance", so if he was just playing an accoutsic guitar for 2 hours he would sell arenas too? If he was reading the phone book? If he was telling jokes about Liam all night? People go to arenas gigs to hear the hits, that goes for every band and every solo artist. |
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Post by His Royal Noelness on Nov 3, 2011 5:04:43 GMT -5
You don't pay high dollar to hear a few tunes that can be bought for .99 on iTunes. People went to Oasis gigs for the experience, not a couple of great tunes. I feel that Noel is in a similar situation. People genuinely like him and want to experience the brilliance that is Noel Gallagher. It really has nothing to do with Oasis tunes or not. If he was telling jokes about Liam all night? I have the feeling there's be an audience for that ;D |
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