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Post by liamgallagher1992 on Oct 31, 2011 20:00:55 GMT -5
What a waste of potentially great songs and what a waste of promoting AGAIN!
I have posted on this forum in the past and come across as "anti-noel" and "team liam". This isn't another one of those posts. In fact i think EOTR and IIHAG are the best Post-Oasis songs by a country mile.
But i cannot listen to Noel's album without thinking how much has been wasted. I won't go into all the songs because i don't want to write an essay, so i'll use an example. Record Machine could have been an epic 7 minute, Liam sung, Oasis classic. Instead it's been used on here. Ok fair enough if Noel wants to use it for his solo career. Why shouldn't he? But why on earth has the great bass on the demo been replaced by the choir! The choir works brilliantly on EOTR. It adds something great to it. But come on, it makes Record Machine become a poor album filler.
Dave Sardy is a wanker.
Then you got the management wasting the oppurtunity to actually promote for once. AKA What A Life was picked by vauxhall to be on an advert. Great. Promotion at last. How can we fuck this up? A scattered release again! It fucked up The Roller, let's do it again for Noel!
Pisses me off.
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Post by yeayeayeah on Oct 31, 2011 20:21:27 GMT -5
I agree with you about the bass on RM, its a real shame he took it off and it makes it hard for me to listen to the song now.
And yea it was a dumb decision splitting the release of WAL, its been a huge selling single, so would have been interesting to see where it got to in the charts but it still made top 20.
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Post by liamgallagher1992 on Oct 31, 2011 21:46:39 GMT -5
I agree with you about the bass on RM, its a real shame he took it off and it makes it hard for me to listen to the song now. And yea it was a dumb decision splitting the release of WAL, its been a huge selling single, so would have been interesting to see where it got to in the charts but it still made top 20. The management are yet to prove to me why the are fit to manage Noel. I think Beady Eye have now got rid of them, which can only be a good thing. The scattered releases of AKA What A Life and The Roller were the worst decisions imaginable. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2011 21:53:46 GMT -5
First of all, Liam is the whole reason RM was left off of DOYS, so to say that it would have been a 7 minute epic with him is ridiculous. He chose not to sing it! Not to mention, anyone looking for a 7 minute epic, a la CS and DYKWIM, needs to move past 1997 and get on with life. I love the epic songs but that time has come and gone.
Maybe I'm daft, but I don't see much wasted on this record. Noel was cleaning out the closet of old tunes getting ready to move forward with a fresh since of self. The album is actually more endearing than most albums post MG by Oasis, because for once, he was allowed to speak his mind rather than speak the mind of Liam.
To each his own I guess, but EOTR, IIHAG, RM, AKA...BA, and STC are all top self tunes which Noel did justice to on this record. I don't really have any complaints.
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Post by elchupacabra on Oct 31, 2011 22:21:05 GMT -5
I think I seem to be the only person who thinks Liam singing on any of these songs would have ruined them.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2011 22:22:19 GMT -5
I think I seem to be the only person who thinks Liam singing on any of these songs would have ruined them. You are not alone. While I would be intrigued to hear his renditions, I am more than satisfied with Noel's offerings. |
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Post by elchupacabra on Oct 31, 2011 22:26:08 GMT -5
I think I seem to be the only person who thinks Liam singing on any of these songs would have ruined them. You are not alone. While I would be intrigued to hear his renditions, I am more than satisfied with Noel's offerings. Good to know someone agrees. It's not that I'm anti Liam as I think Noel singing on the Beady Eye album would have ruined those songs somewhat. |
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Post by liamgallagher1992 on Oct 31, 2011 23:48:07 GMT -5
First of all, Liam is the whole reason RM was left off of DOYS, so to say that it would have been a 7 minute epic with him is ridiculous. He chose not to sing it! Not to mention, anyone looking for a 7 minute epic, a la CS and DYKWIM, needs to move past 1997 and get on with life. I love the epic songs but that time has come and gone. Maybe I'm daft, but I don't see much wasted on this record. Noel was cleaning out the closet of old tunes getting ready to move forward with a fresh since of self. The album is actually more endearing than most albums post MG by Oasis, because for once, he was allowed to speak his mind rather than speak the mind of Liam. To each his own I guess, but EOTR, IIHAG, RM, AKA...BA, and STC are all top self tunes which Noel did justice to on this record. I don't really have any complaints. First of all, sorry for not moving on from 1997 when Oasis were the biggest band in the world. I did not say who's fault it was that RM wasn't sung by Liam, in fact i said it was completely Noel's right to sing it. I just think it's a song that should have been an epic with LG. Like it or not, if Oasis had come out with more songs like that in the later years then people wouldnt have been going for a piss at the gigs when the new stuff came on. Oasis were an anthemic band, and RM is at heart an Anthemic song. And i find it laughable you end with "each to their own" after stating i need to move on from 1997 and "get on with life", how many posts you got on a forum ffs? I need to get on with life? Twat. |
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Post by mkoasis on Nov 1, 2011 1:00:02 GMT -5
I think I seem to be the only person who thinks Liam singing on any of these songs would have ruined them. You are not alone. While I would be intrigued to hear his renditions, I am more than satisfied with Noel's offerings. I agree as well. And I prefer DGSS as an album. I think this batch of songs were meant for Noel. I can't see Liam doing EOTR or WAL or whatever else as well as noel here. |
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Post by monkian on Nov 1, 2011 3:22:20 GMT -5
Record machine not being sung by Liam isn't Noel's fault. It's Liam's. Are you suggesting it's release should have been held off in case Oasis ever get back together? And regarding What a Life's and the Rollers's staggered releases: why the fuck do you care? We got the tunes didnt we? If Noel or Liam dont care, why on earth should you? The only thing that pisses me off is fans moaning that things don't go to number 1 or aren't a "commercial success". Chart placings mean fuck all these days. YouTube views, preorders and ticket sales are much more indicative of a "proper" band's success. Leave the charts and Radio 1 to Tynchy Stryder, Adele, Bruno Mars and all the Xfactor crap. If you like something, why does it matter if the average man in street has bought it as well?
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Post by His Royal Noelness on Nov 1, 2011 4:03:18 GMT -5
I think I seem to be the only person who thinks Liam singing on any of these songs would have ruined them. You are not alone. While I would be intrigued to hear his renditions, I am more than satisfied with Noel's offerings. |
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Post by liamgallagher1992 on Nov 1, 2011 7:05:23 GMT -5
Record machine not being sung by Liam isn't Noel's fault. It's Liam's. Are you suggesting it's release should have been held off in case Oasis ever get back together? And regarding What a Life's and the Rollers's staggered releases: why the fuck do you care? We got the tunes didnt we? If Noel or Liam dont care, why on earth should you? The only thing that pisses me off is fans moaning that things don't go to number 1 or aren't a "commercial success". Chart placings mean fuck all these days. YouTube views, preorders and ticket sales are much more indicative of a "proper" band's success. Leave the charts and Radio 1 to Tynchy Stryder, Adele, Bruno Mars and all the Xfactor crap. If you like something, why does it matter if the average man in street has bought it as well? And again, I DID NOT SAY WHO'S FAULT IT WAS. As much as i agree with you about the charts. What do the scattered releases achieve? It would be nicer to see Noel's single in the top 15 than 24. Did you not feel good when his album went to no.1? I know i was pleased that he had an outsold an x factor winner by 40%. |
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Post by tomlivesforever on Nov 1, 2011 7:25:37 GMT -5
First of all, Liam is the whole reason RM was left off of DOYS, so to say that it would have been a 7 minute epic with him is ridiculous. He chose not to sing it! Not to mention, anyone looking for a 7 minute epic, a la CS and DYKWIM, needs to move past 1997 and get on with life. I love the epic songs but that time has come and gone. Maybe I'm daft, but I don't see much wasted on this record. Noel was cleaning out the closet of old tunes getting ready to move forward with a fresh since of self. The album is actually more endearing than most albums post MG by Oasis, because for once, he was allowed to speak his mind rather than speak the mind of Liam. To each his own I guess, but EOTR, IIHAG, RM, AKA...BA, and STC are all top self tunes which Noel did justice to on this record. I don't really have any complaints. Hmmm...I don't think Liam is the WHOLE reason it was left of DOYS. Liam was thoughtless and stupid in just upping sticks and leaving to get married but ultimately they had months and months to get the vocals down without having to put anything back. If the chief had really wanted it on that album it would have been on there. |
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Post by deasy on Nov 1, 2011 7:34:09 GMT -5
Record machine not being sung by Liam isn't Noel's fault. It's Liam's. Are you suggesting it's release should have been held off in case Oasis ever get back together? And regarding What a Life's and the Rollers's staggered releases: why the fuck do you care? We got the tunes didnt we? If Noel or Liam dont care, why on earth should you? The only thing that pisses me off is fans moaning that things don't go to number 1 or aren't a "commercial success". Chart placings mean fuck all these days. YouTube views, preorders and ticket sales are much more indicative of a "proper" band's success. Leave the charts and Radio 1 to Tynchy Stryder, Adele, Bruno Mars and all the Xfactor crap. If you like something, why does it matter if the average man in street has bought it as well? And again, I DID NOT SAY WHO'S FAULT IT WAS. As much as i agree with you about the charts. What do the scattered releases achieve? It would be nicer to see Noel's single in the top 15 than 24. Did you not feel good when his album went to no.1? I know i was pleased that he had an outsold an x factor winner by 40%. Scattered releases help the song stay in the charts for longer, which is a good way of promoting the album. |
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Post by gdforever on Nov 1, 2011 8:58:50 GMT -5
If did actually work alright for WAL since that was the only way it was getting on Radio 1. Even if it hasn't gone top or anything it's been played several times on the chart show because of repeaking.
I think they expected The Roller to perform better and benefit from repeaking like Noels did but there wasn't enough interest.
The Roller release was botched full stop.
WAL was a slightly different proposition. I do think the digital download was brought forward to take advantage of the commercial. Maybe the staggered release didn't help charting...but it probably helped overall sales which is what Is really important.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2011 9:46:02 GMT -5
Your probably right about the scattered release
Dare i say it, if it was released on all formats last week (after the J. Ross show) it would have gone Top 5, but then would have disappeared forever. As it stands its had the longest run in the charts for a Gallagher in years...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2011 10:23:25 GMT -5
First of all, Liam is the whole reason RM was left off of DOYS, so to say that it would have been a 7 minute epic with him is ridiculous. He chose not to sing it! Not to mention, anyone looking for a 7 minute epic, a la CS and DYKWIM, needs to move past 1997 and get on with life. I love the epic songs but that time has come and gone. Maybe I'm daft, but I don't see much wasted on this record. Noel was cleaning out the closet of old tunes getting ready to move forward with a fresh since of self. The album is actually more endearing than most albums post MG by Oasis, because for once, he was allowed to speak his mind rather than speak the mind of Liam. To each his own I guess, but EOTR, IIHAG, RM, AKA...BA, and STC are all top self tunes which Noel did justice to on this record. I don't really have any complaints. First of all, sorry for not moving on from 1997 when Oasis were the biggest band in the world. I did not say who's fault it was that RM wasn't sung by Liam, in fact i said it was completely Noel's right to sing it. I just think it's a song that should have been an epic with LG. Like it or not, if Oasis had come out with more songs like that in the later years then people wouldnt have been going for a piss at the gigs when the new stuff came on. Oasis were an anthemic band, and RM is at heart an Anthemic song. And i find it laughable you end with "each to their own" after stating i need to move on from 1997 and "get on with life", how many posts you got on a forum ffs? I need to get on with life? Twat. There is no need for name calling. I just stated my opinion, and I never said you specifically needed to move on or get a life. Chill out. |
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Nov 1, 2011 11:27:10 GMT -5
I, for once, love the choir addition on RM. Again, adds much needed depth.
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Post by monkian on Nov 1, 2011 12:16:55 GMT -5
Record machine not being sung by Liam isn't Noel's fault. It's Liam's. Are you suggesting it's release should have been held off in case Oasis ever get back together? And regarding What a Life's and the Rollers's staggered releases: why the fuck do you care? We got the tunes didnt we? If Noel or Liam dont care, why on earth should you? The only thing that pisses me off is fans moaning that things don't go to number 1 or aren't a "commercial success". Chart placings mean fuck all these days. YouTube views, preorders and ticket sales are much more indicative of a "proper" band's success. Leave the charts and Radio 1 to Tynchy Stryder, Adele, Bruno Mars and all the Xfactor crap. If you like something, why does it matter if the average man in street has bought it as well? And again, I DID NOT SAY WHO'S FAULT IT WAS. As much as i agree with you about the charts. What do the scattered releases achieve? It would be nicer to see Noel's single in the top 15 than 24. Did you not feel good when his album went to no.1? I know i was pleased that he had an outsold an x factor winner by 40%. I really didn't give a shit. In fact the only reason I'd ever hope for a band I like to be near the top of the charts is so I could pick up the CD while I'm doing my Tesco shop rather than make a special effort to go to town or have wait for an internet delivery. |
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Post by howsoonisnow on Nov 2, 2011 8:58:45 GMT -5
I see your point. Record Machine will always be a regret for me. I love this song so much, but i'll always ask myself, what if Liam have sung it. I'll always imagine hearing it in a stadium. It's the best anthem Noel have written since MG period, it's a typical Oasis' anthemn, so it's very sad it's on a solo album.
And I really don't think Liam not showing up at ONE recording session is a reason to force Noel not putting a song on the album. They were Oasis, if Noel wanted it to be recorded, he would have taken some more days at the studio, bring Liam there with a free drink and makes him sing the fucking song. It's not like they couldn't afford it !!!!!
And if Liam didn't want to sing it wich I really doubt, well Noel would have sing it then. So if it wasn't on an Oasis album it's because Noel DIDN't wanted it to be. Stop believing every bullshit Liam and Noel say.
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Post by space75gr on Nov 2, 2011 10:11:25 GMT -5
it could be an amazing record with Liam's vocals, a really special album.most of these songs fit perfect with Liam voice and could go on another-higher level.
but thats life.Theres no Liam here but at least we have a very good album.and a very good album by Noel is always better than a non album.
btw, i have to agree with the production.
i v got nothing against Dave Sardy (i find him very good) but in that case i cant find something really special in the whole production except propably EONTR.i d be better, imo, if Noel had a different producer for a change, to have the chance to think differently and add a few more new elements and ideas to his music.i d love to see him working with Eno or Nigel Godrich or (especially) [i]Phil Ek[/i] [/u].[/b]
i get your point but i dont believe its a waste.it s still an excellent album
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Post by beadydg on Nov 2, 2011 14:13:57 GMT -5
What a waste of potentially great songs and what a waste of promoting AGAIN! I have posted on this forum in the past and come across as "anti-noel" and "team liam". This isn't another one of those posts. In fact i think EOTR and IIHAG are the best Post-Oasis songs by a country mile. But i cannot listen to Noel's album without thinking how much has been wasted. I won't go into all the songs because i don't want to write an essay, so i'll use an example. Record Machine could have been an epic 7 minute, Liam sung, Oasis classic. Instead it's been used on here. Ok fair enough if Noel wants to use it for his solo career. Why shouldn't he? But why on earth has the great bass on the demo been replaced by the choir! The choir works brilliantly on EOTR. It adds something great to it. But come on, it makes Record Machine become a poor album filler. Dave Sardy is a wanker. Then you got the management wasting the oppurtunity to actually promote for once. AKA What A Life was picked by vauxhall to be on an advert. Great. Promotion at last. How can we fuck this up? A scattered release again! It fucked up The Roller, let's do it again for Noel! Pisses me off. Agree with most of that but isn't as much liams faults and noels for not recording the vocals on rm? I do feel the album has a very shiny feel to it so wouldn't a bass driven tune sound a bit out of place anyway. |
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