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Post by gdforever on Oct 31, 2011 21:00:22 GMT -5
him counting in the songs is actually more proof that they are using click tracks. standard practice is that only the drummer has the click track in his monitors, thus he counts the band in. its just my opinion, but i like the songs being played a little faster. they are pretty mid tempo on record and that doesn't always make for an exciting live show. also, do you really think noel isn't dictating a detail like this. it seems extremely unlikely that after weeks of rehearsal noel would allow the drummer to play songs at a tempo he didn't want. Dunno anything about click tracks etc. But you have a really strong point about the fact that Noel wouldn't have let it slide if he weren't OK with it. These are session musicians. No one is really attached to them. If they don't do it his way they would be dropped quick. Noel never shirked at dumping drummers that didn't preform to his satisfaction. I good with the tempos of the songs on the bootlegs myself. |
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Post by Rifles on Oct 31, 2011 21:04:34 GMT -5
The songs are sped up to Noel's demand i reckon, that way his voice is more rocking. It's a trick when you dont have "real" rock n roll voice, like, say, Liam. Perfect explanation I'd say. People blaming the drummer are crazy. You really think Noel wouldn't stop him or make adjustments if the guy was rushing the songs? There's no way he would let his hired hand dictate the tempo of his show. |
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Post by thepicturesgeneration on Oct 31, 2011 22:36:36 GMT -5
i blame the drummer,
if you think that they are so well rehearsed
consider zak starkey at glastonbury 2004/ poole lighthouse.
then some of the tracks were way too slow. after awhile zak got the right tempos, but it was down to the songs not being rehearsed thoroughly enough and the band not being in top shape.
regardless of the drummer, if it's noels fault, fair game. but the songs are too damn fast!!!
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Post by beadydg on Nov 1, 2011 4:46:42 GMT -5
He's a sub-standard rock drummer, he hits hard and plays straight awful lot, on dlbia it needs someone like Alan White to add the ghost notes that almost brings a groove to the song whereas Stacey makes it a bit of a plodding rocker, nevertheless he drums well on the album tracks.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Nov 1, 2011 5:05:32 GMT -5
The man's a professional drummer of course he can drum, I just don't like his style, its pretty bland. Although from his own point of view the pace of the new tunes probably doesn't help him.
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Post by Leezy2 on Nov 1, 2011 8:00:09 GMT -5
Something gives me the impression Noel gets his drummers to play that straight heavy rock way.
You see things like this, the man can obviously play, he's more than capable of playing the more Jazz/Soul/Funk style that we all loved Alan White for. I really think its Noel telling him to play more solid and heavy...
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Post by jaq515 on Nov 1, 2011 8:12:56 GMT -5
is that the gran turismo theme?  As said many times above noel is a dictator, we've already seen one musician bite the dust. These guys are hired help not a band.. he would be long gone if he wasn't doing exactly what noel wanted. I personally think the drumming / tempo is excellent. Noel was treading a fine line with seated gigs / a quite acoustic sounding album but the way its performed live is excellent adds the edge thats needed at live shows |
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Post by thepicturesgeneration on Nov 1, 2011 8:28:47 GMT -5
on another note
i do miss alan white
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Post by andymorris on Nov 1, 2011 9:30:14 GMT -5
The songs are sped up to Noel's demand i reckon, that way his voice is more rocking. It's a trick when you dont have "real" rock n roll voice, like, say, Liam. Perfect explanation I'd say. People blaming the drummer are crazy. You really think Noel wouldn't stop him or make adjustments if the guy was rushing the songs? There's no way he would let his hired hand dictate the tempo of his show. It's THE explanation. He's done it countless times on previous tours. On DLBIA, Step Out, Where did it all go wrong... etc Noel's a control freak when it comes to shows, and rightly so... that's why they sound good. He's even got two tuners for his guitars this time and his roadie tune the guitar himself after each song. |
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Post by andymorris on Nov 1, 2011 9:31:56 GMT -5
i'm sorry but i don't know if all the songs are to a click track. he isn't wearing IEM (earbuds) like sharrock did, and he seems to be counting off the songs on his own, so the tempo changes would likely be due to him. whoevers fault it is, the songs are being played too damn fast... A pro drummer knows what tempo he's playing at, so him counting is more of a proof that it's been decided before the shows. |
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Post by chiefpunker on Nov 1, 2011 10:35:46 GMT -5
I listened to the album 200 times. I am trying to force myself to like the drumming, but it still feels flat to me. Any of the previous Oasis drummers would have stood out. I don't know what Noel was going for, but the drumming hinders the album. What a Life should explode with dynamics. but the song is boring before the halfway point.
Whatever, its a good album, but it could have been as good or better than any Oasis record if the back up band was more unique.
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Post by Bob on Nov 1, 2011 10:51:18 GMT -5
A drum machine was used on What A Life I believe
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Post by underneaththesky on Nov 1, 2011 11:01:21 GMT -5
two words - Andy Bell.
you're fucked.
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Post by His Royal Noelness on Nov 1, 2011 11:02:13 GMT -5
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Nov 1, 2011 11:18:54 GMT -5
Its the guitarist that needs replacing This. I'm not impressed with the drumming on the album, and I do think Noel has made everything fast live by his request. But my god, the solos are being ruined. I head that solo in Little By Little - fucking shocking. I'm going to give the guitarist the benefit of the doubt here though, and just suggest that Noel is fucking up the arrangements...... Give me the Oasis versions of these songs any day, though. Whoever is at fault for the dull drumming on the album, or the fast live songs and destruction of the solos needs to sort it out. |
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Post by late2guitar on Oct 24, 2016 19:53:36 GMT -5
I was curious about why Jeremy Stacey left Noel (willing departure, or otherwise), did a search, found this thread and opted to join up.
All Noel's musicians are sidemen, not proper band members. They're not touring with Noel because they helped him write his songs, because they have some kinship over the bond of music going back to childhood. They're professionals who are hired, not band members with an interest in the organization.
Noel is a solo performer now. He wants to be surrounded by people that perpetuate that image. It remains to be seen what will happen with Chris Sharrock, but I'm convinced when the notion of "band collaborators" or "writing partners" starts to sink in with the fans, and more specifically, the British press, there will be changes. Noel picked his band because he wants to be a solo performer. And I think all are excellent musicians who do his bidding well. Those of us hung up on who they are and why he picked them and wondering if he wants to work with this one or that one may be missing the point. I think Noel wishes he could work alone. Given that he can't, he picked top notch professionals whose body of work won't overshadow his.
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Post by elroymeltzer on Oct 24, 2016 21:06:12 GMT -5
1- Jeremy is a very talented drummer. He's playing as directed by Noel himself.
2- NGHFB 100% play to a click. I've seen/heard it myself. The lack of him using in ear monitors means nothing in regards to the click track question. It would go to his monitor feed in the event he didn't use in ears.
People could do with educating themselves a bit musically before throwing stones. Noel is a dictator (for lack of a better word) when it comes to this band and rightfully so as they're hired guns and it's his name/songs/etc. Everything from arrangements, tempo, playing style is per NG's direction. There is very little, if any deviation, from what Noel has in mind. If you're sick of the plodding nature of the drumming take it up with Noel next time you meet him.
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Post by andymorris on Oct 25, 2016 8:41:21 GMT -5
1- Jeremy is a very talented drummer. He's playing as directed by Noel himself. 2- NGHFB 100% play to a click. I've seen/heard it myself. The lack of him using in ear monitors means nothing in regards to the click track question. It would go to his monitor feed in the event he didn't use in ears. People could do with educating themselves a bit musically before throwing stones. Noel is a dictator (for lack of a better word) when it comes to this band and rightfully so as they're hired guns and it's his name/songs/etc. Everything from arrangements, tempo, playing style is per NG's direction. There is very little, if any deviation, from what Noel has in mind. If you're sick of the plodding nature of the drumming take it up with Noel next time you meet him. I agree, they probably play with a click track, and maybe as well because they have pre-recorded tracks too, although i'm not too sure this time since i've not really followed Noel live tours this time. Noel has a very robotic way of playing nowadays, partly due to the fact that he's very insecure about playing and singing at the same time. So yeah, the drummer played loud and fast and generic, but Noel told him to, because he probably dont like complicated drumming parts... which can lead to mistakes. For Nole, a drummer is probably only there to keep the tempo, end of story, that's why Alan white got bored and Tony sacked hehe. He never really bothered me, but the guitarist yeah. His style was too american for my liking and his playing really lacks emotion, unlike the bassist and that amazing keyboardist that is Mike Rowe. |
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Post by elroymeltzer on Oct 25, 2016 8:54:39 GMT -5
Not probably, they definitely play to a click. I was literally standing at the mixing desk on the last tour and can confirm it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2016 9:11:59 GMT -5
This is a really stupid debate to be having after 5+ years and Jeremy leaving.
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Oct 25, 2016 10:12:43 GMT -5
I was curious about why Jeremy Stacey left Noel (willing departure, or otherwise), did a search, found this thread and opted to join up. All Noel's musicians are sidemen, not proper band members. They're not touring with Noel because they helped him write his songs, because they have some kinship over the bond of music going back to childhood. They're professionals who are hired, not band members with an interest in the organization. Noel is a solo performer now. He wants to be surrounded by people that perpetuate that image. It remains to be seen what will happen with Chris Sharrock, but I'm convinced when the notion of "band collaborators" or "writing partners" starts to sink in with the fans, and more specifically, the British press, there will be changes. Noel picked his band because he wants to be a solo performer. And I think all are excellent musicians who do his bidding well. Those of us hung up on who they are and why he picked them and wondering if he wants to work with this one or that one may be missing the point. I think Noel wishes he could work alone. Given that he can't, he picked top notch professionals whose body of work won't overshadow his. Jeremy is currently touring with King Crimson. |
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Post by carlober on Oct 25, 2016 10:46:36 GMT -5
I was curious about why Jeremy Stacey left Noel (willing departure, or otherwise), did a search, found this thread and opted to join up. All Noel's musicians are sidemen, not proper band members. They're not touring with Noel because they helped him write his songs, because they have some kinship over the bond of music going back to childhood. They're professionals who are hired, not band members with an interest in the organization. Noel is a solo performer now. He wants to be surrounded by people that perpetuate that image. It remains to be seen what will happen with Chris Sharrock, but I'm convinced when the notion of "band collaborators" or "writing partners" starts to sink in with the fans, and more specifically, the British press, there will be changes. Noel picked his band because he wants to be a solo performer. And I think all are excellent musicians who do his bidding well. Those of us hung up on who they are and why he picked them and wondering if he wants to work with this one or that one may be missing the point. I think Noel wishes he could work alone. Given that he can't, he picked top notch professionals whose body of work won't overshadow his. Jeremy is currently touring with King Crimson. And if he is good enough for an absolute perfectionist like Robert Fripp, he is certainly good enough for NGHFB. I blame Noel here. |
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Post by late2guitar on Oct 25, 2016 16:17:02 GMT -5
This is a really stupid debate to be having after 5+ years and Jeremy leaving. It was a new thread to me. Sorry if I offended your sensibilities by pondering an old subject. I did learn about King Crimson being part of the departure (announcement was made in March of this year, and it, too, was part of what Google turned up... this thread being the other part). I also saw Chris Sharrock in Nashville with Noel and wondered where JS went. I guess I just got around to thinking about it again. |
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Post by welshylad on Oct 26, 2016 7:21:58 GMT -5
Whats this about playing to a click?
How would you know he does from standing next to the mixing desk?
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Post by ninestonecowboy on Oct 27, 2016 8:22:40 GMT -5
Whats this about playing to a click? How would you know he does from standing next to the mixing desk? Maybe he looked at the mixing desk and saw the channel labelled "click" - it would be there to feed the correct volume of click to the in-ear monitors for each member and their preference. I think people would be surprised how many bands actually play to a click/metronome live, and how much pre-reorded backing music is in the live mix, which is essentially the biggest reason people use a click anyway. I'm not a Kasabian fan, but i'd seen them play live a few times as a friend of mine was part of their road crew and an insane amount of their live sound comes from backing tracks mixed in with live instruments. U2 is the same, a lot of Bono's live vocals are still live but often with pre-recorded vocal sitting underneath it, especially in choruses for emphasis, the same way pretty much all studio vocals are double-tracked, or triple or whatever and then vocaligned so they match up perfectly in time, thus giving a thicker sound and not really noticeable that it's layered. It's essentially just recreating that life so the vocal has a lot of presence. They often do the same with guitars and keys, it's not so noticeable as it's generally sitting underneath the live instruments, it's just to enhance the song dynamics even more when needed like you would in the studio when you are overdubbing. Anyway, i know Noel never does that with vocals live, but there's definitely a lot of keys, pads, and a few other things blended in that are not played live, which is why they use the click. They probably don't use it for every song though, just the ones that have some pre-recorded stuff blended in. |
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