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Post by cloudburster on Oct 28, 2011 12:35:50 GMT -5
After DBTT..I think more than a year or so away from Oasis might have saved them in the long run. And this got me thinking what would the 7th Oasis album have sounded like? With all the great tunes Noel wrote since DOYS? They could have finished DBTT touring in 2006 then had a few years off and come back with a bang in 2010 with this album!
1. Bag It Up
2. The Turning
3. AKA...What A Life!
4. The Shock Of The Lightning
5. (I Wanna Live In A Dream In My) Record Machine (Liam sung, Noel and Liam duet on the final verse - spine tingling)
6. AKA...Broken Arrow
7. If I Had A Gun... (Liam sung with Noel on the "ahhhh" bits)
8. Freaky Teeth (Liam sung, granted we've only heard it live but sounds like it would be huge sung by Liam)
9. (Stranded On The) Wrong Beach (Liam sung)
10. Everybody's On The Run (Liam sung)
Singles
The Shock Of The Lightning
If I Had A Gun
AKA...What A Life
Everybody's On The Run
All with PROPER b-sides, 2 minimum each
What an album that would have been!Granted it is all written by Noel but let's face it, the others contributions watered the Oasis records down. The break Would have given Liam and Noel time apart and made them realise how much they love Oasis and after a 5 year gap between albums they would have been raring to come back with a bang and the strongest album since 1995 by far!
Sad and hypothetical I know but oh well!
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Post by RocketMan on Oct 28, 2011 12:39:55 GMT -5
they should have had a longer break after MG. the album after this would have been enourmous
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Post by cloudburster on Oct 28, 2011 12:42:21 GMT -5
they should have had a longer break after MG. the album after this would have been enourmous Agreed with that. Noel said they should have done some "living". Coming back in 2000 with a fresh sound and new songs would have been great, anything they released was always gonna be a disappointment to some degree though |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2011 12:42:34 GMT -5
You've forgot a very important detail...
Liam, Gem & Andy would still get 5 songs to write.
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Post by cloudburster on Oct 28, 2011 12:49:29 GMT -5
You've forgot a very important detail... Liam, Gem & Andy would still get 5 songs to write. I said in my post that I realised it was 100% Noel, but that's how it should be! He shouldve just said 'Look lads, this is the tracklisting of the best songs they just happen to be mine' I'm sure Gem and Andy wouldn't mind and Liam always said he wouldn't mind if he didn't contribute songs to albums as he was the singer first, songwriting was just a hobby. Noel shouldn't be singing lead on more than 2 tracks either. But he definitely should've put his foot down and retaken control of songwriting credits and let Liam sing more of them, its how Oasis started. Its no coincidence that the best 3 Oasis albums are entirely written by Noel |
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Post by cloudburster on Oct 28, 2011 12:51:52 GMT -5
It's also no coincidence that High Flying Birds is the strongest album Noel has been involved in since the 90s, and he wrote the entire thing...
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Post by gdforever on Oct 28, 2011 13:27:22 GMT -5
You've forgot a very important detail... Liam, Gem & Andy would still get 5 songs to write. I said in my post that I realised it was 100% Noel, but that's how it should be! He shouldve just said 'Look lads, this is the tracklisting of the best songs they just happen to be mine' I'm sure Gem and Andy wouldn't mind and Liam always said he wouldn't mind if he didn't contribute songs to albums as he was the singer first, songwriting was just a hobby. Noel shouldn't be singing lead on more than 2 tracks either. But he definitely should've put his foot down and retaken control of songwriting credits and let Liam sing more of them, its how Oasis started. Its no coincidence that the best 3 Oasis albums are entirely written by Noel Liam always projects this aura of "nothing touch's me" that is so fake. He always said that he didn't care about having songs on the album when asked about what it meant to him. But on the DOYS documentary the song that he picks out as being most special was IOT because "I wrote it." I think he would have pitched a fit if Noel had told him he wasnt going to get even 1 song on the album. I think you are right that Gem wouldn't mind. I think that he'd be alright with it. He generally seemed genuinely in awe of Noel and his songwriting and genuinely amazed that one of his songs would have been included on the record and into the live show. And being that he was Noel's right hand man he'd probably have had a good amount of control in the studio. I am pretty certain that Andy Bell would have minded. He seems to have been the one most happy with the additional control in the studio with BDI. I think that he does think of himself as a songwriter and would have resented being shuffled to the side in favour of a Noel written album. I think he was the person least satisfied with his place in Oasis. |
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Post by Fiennes on Oct 28, 2011 14:37:34 GMT -5
noel expresses his view on songwriting duties and the oasis "democracy" in the hotpress interview, very interesting.
After this great "100% Noel" album, it would make little sense to me to see Oasis reform for a new album if it meant going back to the oasis democracy, and with Noel also admitting that it didn't work very well, it makes you think that it was probably right to put an end to it.
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Post by GIMH on Oct 28, 2011 14:44:04 GMT -5
I'm Outta Time is as good as anything on there for me but it is a cracking tracklisting
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Post by yeayeayeah on Oct 28, 2011 17:39:11 GMT -5
Stick I'm Outta Time on, liam songs on oasis albums are fine, having gem and andy write was always wrong
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Post by songbirdsally on Oct 28, 2011 17:48:45 GMT -5
Yeah Liam is an underrated songwriter I think.
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Post by Headmaster on Oct 28, 2011 20:25:58 GMT -5
I think Noel was afraid to ban Gem and Andy songs from Oasis late albums, because of that democracy, unit idea of a band, I think Oasis albums should at least contain 2 Liam songs and the others by Noel, Gem/Andy songs would be b-sides.
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Post by yeayeayeah on Oct 28, 2011 22:13:34 GMT -5
I think Liam can write songs good enough for Oasis albums. HC should have just had Songbird and BOADC. I dont really like any of his on DBTT but fine for bsides. DOYS should have just been IOT and I would have put on BWTB.
I like TUTS but that about it from Gem and Andy, the other songs range from okay to bland.
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Post by Silence Dogood on Oct 28, 2011 23:08:59 GMT -5
i don't think that would've been such a great album, certainly not with songs like Broken Arrow and AKA What a life included.
And i don't agree that "the others contributions watered the Oasis records down", that's a big pile of bullshit. LAG's songs were just as strong(if not stronger) than Noel's on DBTT, on DOYS it was a different story though, Gem and Andy songs straight up sucked, Liam's IOT and Solder On were pretty damn good. AGN sucks donkey balls but so does HHL(the worst on the album by far).
your idea is a good one but the example(of the album track list) that you gave was not the best.
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Post by crash on Oct 29, 2011 0:11:47 GMT -5
. LAG's songs were just as strong(if not stronger) than Noel's on DBTT, on DOYS it was a different story though, Gem and Andy songs straight up sucked, Liam's IOT and Solder On were pretty damn good. your idea is a good one but the example(of the album track list) that you gave was not the best. If not stronger? Man, I'm not sure which songs you think are LAG's best on DBTT, but I can't see how they are better than Lyla, TIOBI or Let There Be Love. For mine, Turn Up the Sun is the best LAG song on it (and one of the better LAG songs in general), but I still think it's nowhere near as good as Lyla or TIOBI. |
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Post by rupertg on Oct 29, 2011 0:44:43 GMT -5
don't forget that not everything Noel wrote on an album is 'amazing'
Put Your Money Where Your Mouth Is
I Can See A Liar
She Is Love
Probably All In The Mind
Get Off Your High Horse Lady
If Noel wrote any of those songs in the 90's they would have been b-sides.
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Post by howsoonisnow on Oct 29, 2011 5:02:45 GMT -5
don't forget that not everything Noel wrote on an album is 'amazing' Put Your Money Where Your Mouth Is I Can See A Liar She Is Love Probably All In The Mind Get Off Your High Horse Lady If Noel wrote any of those songs in the 90's they would have been b-sides. Don't forget Little by Little, Force of nature of Mucky fingers. Those songs aren't really good either. The fact is Noel didn't had a lot of inspiration in 2002, he says so himself, so he was happy to open the songwritting to the others. Liam saves HC with songbird. DBTT is a very good album, the only bad track on it is keep the dream alive". It's only a shame that the songwritting had stayed open when Noel refound inspiration around 2004 2005 because even if LAG made very good songs on DBTT, it's not the case on DOYS. And now Noel had proved that he still can make a very good album on his own. So the only regret about LAG is DYOS and the next album of Oasis who never happened. DBTT is not a regret at all and HC is because Noel didn't had inspiration at the time. |
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Post by Fiennes on Oct 29, 2011 8:15:51 GMT -5
The fact is Noel didn't had a lot of inspiration in 2002, he says so himself, so he was happy to open the songwritting to the others. Yes, true, but since then he's started piling up songs again and I think he soon realised that he could have possibly managed by himself, with longer breaks maybe, but oasis was a machine that had to continue working at a certain pace. It was just too much at the time and he wanted songwriting support, but now looking back I think he sees the democracy as a compromise and I wouldn't be surprised if didn't see any point in doing that again. In any case they have been mates and in the same band for such a long time, so who knows. |
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Post by howsoonisnow on Oct 29, 2011 10:26:29 GMT -5
The fact is Noel didn't had a lot of inspiration in 2002, he says so himself, so he was happy to open the songwritting to the others. Yes, true, but since then he's started piling up songs again and I think he soon realised that he could have possibly managed by himself, with longer breaks maybe, but oasis was a machine that had to continue working at a certain pace. It was just too much at the time and he wanted songwriting support, but now looking back I think he sees the democracy as a compromise and I wouldn't be surprised if didn't see any point in doing that again. In any case they have been mates and in the same band for such a long time, so who knows. But it's kind of unfair to some goods songs LAG, there're not so many but I'm outta time, soldier on, songbird or Turn up the sun are brillants tunes to me. As for Andy, people seems to considarate him like a second Guigsy, have you never heard of Ride ? He sure has lost inspiration since but he's not a nobody. The problem wasn't democarty it was the number of songs. Liam should have had only one song on album and the other two should have made b sides. And Liam should have sung more songs. A break would't have change it all. Noel has a tendancy to get lazy so the band may have never come back and most of us would have never seen them. |
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Post by GIMH on Oct 29, 2011 10:42:13 GMT -5
lgfaver is definitely right about the LAG songs on DBTT, Keep the Dream Alive & A Bell will Ring might stand as the 'Hey Now!'(s) of that album but Love Like a Bomb, Guess God Thinks I'm Abel, Turn up the Sun were amongst the songs receiving the most praise (along with TIOBI, Lyla and Part of the Queue), and The Meaning of Soul, although disliked on this forum, went down a storm at the live shows.
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Post by yeayeayeah on Oct 29, 2011 16:44:07 GMT -5
i don't think that would've been such a great album, certainly not with songs like Broken Arrow and AKA What a life included. Broken Arrow is my second favorite on the album and WAL is great. |
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Post by rupertg on Oct 30, 2011 0:18:56 GMT -5
It's only a shame that the songwritting had stayed open when Noel refound inspiration around 2004 2005 because even if LAG made very good songs on DBTT, it's not the case on DOYS. And now Noel had proved that he still can make a very good album on his own. So the only regret about LAG is DYOS and the next album of Oasis who never happened. DBTT is not a regret at all and HC is because Noel didn't had inspiration at the time. The case with DOYS is we don't know which songs LAG came into the studio with. I doubt Andy & Gem just wrote one song each. I believe Noel has a lot to do with picking the songs LAG brings to the table to fit the album. That might not necessarily mean it's their best songs. We know that at least 75% of Beady Eye's album was written during Oasis. |
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