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Post by space75gr on Oct 26, 2011 5:30:08 GMT -5
definitely agree with you. theres still no comparison with Liam. at least in studio nothing can beat him.absolutely nothing. i can compare a bad Liam gig with a good Noel gig. and i love Noel.cause Noel is Oasis.the best songwriter of the last 30 years. but without Liam's voice nothing could be the same. with Noel even with his greatest tune you are still on earth.
with Liam even with a so annd so tune you are touching the sky.thats what made oasis my fav band ever.great tunes with the best RnR voice voice ever. btw, if you are looking for a perfect (technicaly) singer go an listen to Mariah Carey or your Celine Dion... I couldn't disagree more with this part. I get inspired by a great song. For example, I've got caught up in the moment every one of the 40+ times I've listened to If I Had A Gun... No Beady Eye song has made me feel like that. Some are okay, some are a bit better than that. But none of them make me completely disappear in the moment. But that goes for back in the day as well. If you don't have a good song to sing I won't get wrapped up in the moment. Give me Don't Look Back In Anger over Hey Now! any day of the week. i give you "slide away", "rockin chair", "listen up","stand by me","dont go away" etc... give these songs to Noel, to sing them and we can talk again (i think you already have these songs with Noel on vocals). if Noel's album was an Oasis album with Liam on vocals it would be an astonishing album.now its a great album bit it will never touch the sky.even if i love it, its impossible to make me dream and feel the same way as it used to be in oasis with Liam's vocals. anyone can hate Liam (and funny to say it there are too many people in this site, probably cause its an american site and probably that the problem with you people in US and that the problem that Oasis lost their chance there but not Nickelback if you know what i mean) but he's still the greatest RNR voice on planet earth/universe.and only when Liam touches a Noel tune, only then we have something special and not just a good track... |
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Post by leak4ever on Oct 26, 2011 5:41:13 GMT -5
In the 90s, Liam's voice was better for rock songs, and Noel's for slower songs. In the 00s. Liam's voice became crap so now Noel's voice is better for all types of songs.
The new album is not rock, so Noel's voice is definitely better
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Post by howsoonisnow on Oct 26, 2011 6:50:45 GMT -5
In the 90s, Liam's voice was better for rock songs, and Noel's for slower songs. In the 00s. Liam's voice became crap so now Noel's voice is better for all types of songs. The new album is not rock, so Noel's voice is definitely better Ever heard of Wonderwall, cast no shadow, slide away, rockin chair, married with children, don't go away? Liam's voice is better for anything. Even when he sings accousticly, it's wonderfull. Look at the "live forever" accoustic in Mtv, it's sooooo much better than the entire mtv unplugged. I think because Noel loved to do accoustic and Liam didn't, it was said that Liam's voice was only a rock n roll voice but the truth is his voice is better anywhere. He should have sung more in accoustic. |
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Post by leak4ever on Oct 26, 2011 6:58:16 GMT -5
In the 90s, Liam's voice was better for rock songs, and Noel's for slower songs. In the 00s. Liam's voice became crap so now Noel's voice is better for all types of songs. The new album is not rock, so Noel's voice is definitely better Who do you think I am you piece of shit. I accept your point about some of those songs, but have you ever seen Noel singing Don't Go Away at Buddokan? It's far far better than the album version. There's no way Liam could have sang it that way. |
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Post by ctmazin on Oct 26, 2011 7:05:32 GMT -5
I couldn't disagree more with this part. I get inspired by a great song. For example, I've got caught up in the moment every one of the 40+ times I've listened to If I Had A Gun... No Beady Eye song has made me feel like that. Some are okay, some are a bit better than that. But none of them make me completely disappear in the moment. But that goes for back in the day as well. If you don't have a good song to sing I won't get wrapped up in the moment. Give me Don't Look Back In Anger over Hey Now! any day of the week. i give you "slide away", "rockin chair", "listen up","stand by me","dont go away" etc... give these songs to Noel, to sing them and we can talk again (i think you already have these songs with Noel on vocals). if Noel's album was an Oasis album with Liam on vocals it would be an astonishing album.now its a great album bit it will never touch the sky.even if i love it, its impossible to make me dream and feel the same way as it used to be in oasis with Liam's vocals. anyone can hate Liam (and funny to say it there are too many people in this site, probably cause its an american site and probably that the problem with you people in US and that the problem that Oasis lost their chance there but not Nickelback if you know what i mean) but he's still the greatest RNR voice on planet earth/universe.and only when Liam touches a Noel tune, only then we have something special and not just a good track...It is true that Liam was an incredible vocalist in the 90s. His work on the first three albums was amazing, and I would not limit that to the rockers. I think his work on the ballads on MG represents his finest work. It is also true that Liam at his best (which happened less and less in the last ten years) is greater than Noel-no question. But your last point is garbage. Oasis had plenty of awesome moments with Noel singing: DLBIA is absolute magic. Masterplan is incredible. I could cite a dozen more Oasis songs and b-sides that Noel sings on that most Oasis fans think are far beyond "a good track" and represent something special. |
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Post by GIMH on Oct 26, 2011 7:14:15 GMT -5
Liam's vocals on the Beady Eye album are unquestionaly superior to Noel's on his album, in my opinion.
And anyone who ever stood at an oasis gig cringeing at Liam's voice was doing it wrong.
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Post by leak4ever on Oct 26, 2011 7:32:57 GMT -5
Liam's vocals on the Beady Eye album are unquestionaly superior to Noel's on his album, in my opinion. And anyone who ever stood at an oasis gig cringeing at Liam's voice was doing it wrong. In the studio they have sorts of software to correct vocal shortcomings. They can even make Liam sound good. Noel sounds pretty much identical live to the album. Liam, not so much. I've seen Beady Eye live and it wasn't good. Neither the band nor Liam's vocals. |
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Post by howsoonisnow on Oct 26, 2011 9:38:50 GMT -5
Ever heard of Wonderwall... Who do you think I am you piece of shit. I accept your point about some of those songs, but have you ever seen Noel singing Don't Go Away at Buddokan? It's far far better than the album version. There's no way Liam could have sang it that way. Ever heard of irony? And yes Noel can be great in accoustic, but Liam can be great in accoustic and a great rock singer. Noel is a good singer but that people can prefer Noel's voice is beyond me. They had a band with the best singer ever and they prefer a good singer instead. As for the songs that Noel sings, we never had any Liam version of it. But a example, when I first heard Lord don't slow ne down, I thought it wasn't very good, then I've heard the Liam's version and it was suddenly a good tune. Liam's voice can make an ok tune into a very good one. Noel can't, so if he sings a very good song like Masterplan, it's great but if he sings a medium song like Mucky fingers, well it just stays medium. |
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Post by monkian on Oct 26, 2011 10:01:00 GMT -5
Liam's vocals on the Beady Eye album are unquestionaly superior to Noel's on his album, in my opinion. And anyone who ever stood at an oasis gig cringeing at Liam's voice was doing it wrong. This. Only idiots go to see Oasis and moan about the vocals. Why do they need to be perfect when you've got an 80,000 strong chorus of people singing along anyway. Be a part of it and have a good time. If you just want to hear the songs, listen to a CD. |
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Post by ctmazin on Oct 26, 2011 10:57:29 GMT -5
Liam's vocals on the Beady Eye album are unquestionaly superior to Noel's on his album, in my opinion. And anyone who ever stood at an oasis gig cringeing at Liam's voice was doing it wrong. This. Only idiots go to see Oasis and moan about the vocals. Why do they need to be perfect when you've got an 80,000 strong chorus of people singing along anyway. Be a part of it and have a good time. If you just want to hear the songs, listen to a CD. Colour me an idiot then. I think it matters when the lead singer sounds poor at a concert. You've forgotten that some of us didn't see Oasis with 80,000 people, but rather, with a few thousand fans who aren't necessarily singing to every word. |
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Post by monkian on Oct 26, 2011 11:11:50 GMT -5
This. Only idiots go to see Oasis and moan about the vocals. Why do they need to be perfect when you've got an 80,000 strong chorus of people singing along anyway. Be a part of it and have a good time. If you just want to hear the songs, listen to a CD. Colour me an idiot then. I think it matters when the lead singer sounds poor at a concert. You've forgotten that some of us didn't see Oasis with 80,000 people, but rather, with a few thousand fans who aren't necessarily singing to every word. Sorry, I forgot they weren't stadium size everywhere. I've only ever seen them in England but the same theory applies. Maybe I'm just less fussy but oasis weren't a band that required a perfect vocal performance. The first time i saw them, was at knebworth. I couldnt hear or see a thing of Liam but the guitar and drums kept me grooving and singing. As long as they were loud, in time and played the songs that us fans could sing in our sleep, I don't think it mattered whether Liam as pitch perfect or not. I've seen a lot of bands and not many have sung as well as on record. If its quiet music then vocals mattr a lot more in my opinion. |
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Post by leak4ever on Oct 26, 2011 11:12:29 GMT -5
Liam's vocals on the Beady Eye album are unquestionaly superior to Noel's on his album, in my opinion. And anyone who ever stood at an oasis gig cringeing at Liam's voice was doing it wrong. This. Only idiots go to see Oasis and moan about the vocals. Why do they need to be perfect when you've got an 80,000 strong chorus of people singing along anyway. Be a part of it and have a good time. If you just want to hear the songs, listen to a CD. When I saw Oasis live, I moaned about the vocals. When I watched youtube vids of gig, I moaned about the vocals. When I listened to bootlegs of the gig, I moaned about the vocals. When I saw them at the Brits, I moaned about the vocals. When I saw Beady Eye live, guess what, I moaned about the fucking vocals. Why? Because Liam's voice has been diabolical for over a decade now. |
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Post by GIMH on Oct 26, 2011 11:41:09 GMT -5
And as I said...you were doing it wrong. But you'd probably watch your football team win 5-0 and complain about the off the ball movement of the holding midfielder, so whatever.
But I will say this. On the bootleg I've listened to of Noel's Dublin show, and his acoustic performances, his vocals aren't as good as the album ones either. Go tell me he perfects Record Machine.
And when I go see him I won't give a shit about that either.
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Post by leak4ever on Oct 26, 2011 12:46:19 GMT -5
And as I said...you were doing it wrong. But you'd probably watch your football team win 5-0 and complain about the off the ball movement of the holding midfielder, so whatever. But I will say this. On the bootleg I've listened to of Noel's Dublin show, and his acoustic performances, his vocals aren't as good as the album ones either. Go tell me he perfects Record Machine. And when I go see him I won't give a shit about that either. Wtf do you mean I'm doing it wrong? Who the fuck are you to tell me how I should watch a gig or what I should expect from it? If you think I'm expecting too much from Liam, then you're insane. And no, Noel is not perfect on Record Machine. But if you want to go down that route, let's talk about almost every live song kermit the fucking frog has sung since 2002. |
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Post by tomlivesforever on Oct 26, 2011 13:21:59 GMT -5
This. Only idiots go to see Oasis and moan about the vocals. Why do they need to be perfect when you've got an 80,000 strong chorus of people singing along anyway. Be a part of it and have a good time. If you just want to hear the songs, listen to a CD. Why? Because Liam's voice has been diabolical for over a decade now. I think many of us could pick out many examples that show this to be an exaggeration at the very least. |
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Post by leak4ever on Oct 26, 2011 13:45:14 GMT -5
Why? Because Liam's voice has been diabolical for over a decade now. I think many of us could pick out many examples that show this to be an exaggeration at the very least. Ok then, show me one good Liam live vocal post 2002. And when I say good, I don't mean 'bearable'. |
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Post by Rifles on Oct 26, 2011 14:03:25 GMT -5
I think many of us could pick out many examples that show this to be an exaggeration at the very least. Ok then, show me one good Liam live vocal post 2002. And when I say good, I don't mean 'bearable'. Some of the early Beady Eye gigs and most definitely the live radio/studio sessions were at least 2000 good. Not 1995 good, but well above bearable. Liam on his best day will always be better than Noel on his best day. His singing voice is just better. Noel has become a much better technical singer though and his range is better as well. |
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Post by icebreath on Oct 26, 2011 14:12:44 GMT -5
I think many of us could pick out many examples that show this to be an exaggeration at the very least. Ok then, show me one good Liam live vocal post 2002. And when I say good, I don't mean 'bearable'. Now you can STFU |
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Post by tomlivesforever on Oct 26, 2011 14:18:53 GMT -5
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Post by carlober on Oct 26, 2011 14:22:56 GMT -5
Ok then, show me one good Liam live vocal post 2002. And when I say good, I don't mean 'bearable'. Now you can STFU Nice one  |
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Post by Banksy on Oct 26, 2011 14:40:44 GMT -5
I am sorry if this annoys certain members but Liam's voice has been shot for years and although that comes across as a criticism it is not really as a voice like that can not be maintained after 20 years. The shame of it is that people attempt to convince not only themselves but others that it is still good..... It is not, listen back to Earls Court and compare any performance of the latter Oasis days until now, nothing close. Liam's voice or lack of in the last 10 years made watching Oasis live very difficult for me.
Noel on the other hand whilst not being the best in the world has improved and has learnt that versatility is the key.
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Post by TheShakermaker on Oct 26, 2011 14:48:27 GMT -5
imo opinion Liam's problem is that he never got the proper singing technique. His style kills his voice slowly. In the mid nineties he was unbeatable, but so was oasis. I dont want to hear Liam sing DLBIA, the studio version just can't be beaten. The same way the studio version of champagne supernova can never be beaten.
I don't agree he never sang good post 2000, but the "bad" occasions has happened more often since that. Liam sings better than for a long time on dgss, i just dont like the album, because to me (im sure plenty of people will disagree) the songs are more laid back. I like the roller, bring the light and the morning sun, but to me it seems obvious, that where oasis' songs were full speed ahead, beady eye are much more concerned about writing songs that suits Liam's voice and to which his voice will last. He sounds good, but i dont get the same emotion and honesty from the songs because of this.
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Post by headshrinker84 on Oct 26, 2011 14:50:00 GMT -5
Liam voice is good at the start of tours (Like the Dig Out Your Soul Rehearsal gig) But when it's half way through a tour that's when his voice takes a turn for the worst.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Oct 26, 2011 14:50:24 GMT -5
I am sorry if this annoys certain members but Liam's voice has been shot for years and although that comes across as a criticism it is not really as a voice like that can not be maintained after 20 years. The shame of it is that people attempt to convince not only themselves but others that it is still good..... It is not, listen back to Earls Court and compare any performance of the latter Oasis days until now, nothing close. Liam's voice or lack of in the last 10 years made watching Oasis live very difficult for me. Noel on the other hand whilst not being the best in the world has improved and has learnt that versatility is the key. I have no need to convince others, let alone myself. I don't really consider Liam's voice worse in some ways, I just think it different. I wouldn't want Liam 1994 to sing Millionaire or FLW tbh. When you talk about old Oasis songs then I can understand why people say that although he's more than capable of having good nights. I think you and your lot think so much about his voice live that its all you hear. As a big fan of Dylan you have to get used to the change in voice but as far as his studio work goes its no worse for me. Even 2002? You do realise he sang the best DYKWIM ever in 2002? |
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Post by Banksy on Oct 26, 2011 14:58:57 GMT -5
Different = worse. As I said his singing style was impossible to sustane, but do not tell me it's still there on occasions..... That is just not true. On his best day he can't match his hayday (totally understandable yes)
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