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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2011 11:43:21 GMT -5
With a No1 album, announced 'arena' dates and Liam's ill-advised "another BDI album, a year off and MG tour" comments, Noel has clearly trumped BDI (in the UK at least). But do the others continue to hold the moral high ground?
LAG *could* have carried on as 'Oasis', toured a greatest hits set with a few new (unreleased Oasis) songs like 'The Roller' and put out an album in 2012. but instead they went the 'new band' route and didn't play any Oasis songs at all, whereas Noel first show had 9 tunes previously released as Oasis records...
BDI stayed with the management and Oasis' PR company Hall Or Nothing for promo, whilst Noel has moved to Murray Chalmers for his PR (alongside Robbie williams, Madonna)...
Initial BDI interviews were very careful around the topic of the split, whereas Noel's first press conference was anything but...
what's yer thoughts?
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Post by headshrinker84 on Oct 24, 2011 11:46:23 GMT -5
Who cares just enjoy the great music we are getting.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2011 11:56:07 GMT -5
How is there a moral high ground?
Whether BDI or Noel choose to play songs they wrote or not is up to them and neither choice is right or wrong.
BDI could of/can play oasis songs, but chose not to, whereas Noel took the opportunity and fair play to him, they are his songs and he has the right to play them.
As for interviews, both can say what they want. Simples.
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Post by ctmazin on Oct 24, 2011 12:07:05 GMT -5
The "moral high ground"? Are you insane? Because he hired a new publicist?
Both sides have slung mud. Do you have a selectively bad memory? SHITBAG/DILDO/Liam's cracks at Noel during the TCT if you want to go back further. Noel has been gracious at times. Noel has also made cracks at Liam. Same thing in reverse.
By your logic, I could also argue that Noel is "morally superior" because he kept his mouth shut when Beady Eye released their record while Liam has insulted Noel's record several times. But I wouldn't do that because arguing morality about the non-criminal actions of people you don't know is idiotic.
Just to be clear, Noel has 10 new songs on his album. He sang NINE of them in Dublin. Plus a b-side. Plus a new one. He's playing his new stuff. His set just happens to be 7-8 songs longer than Beady Eye's and those songs happen to be Oasis tunes. Most Oasis fans would consider that awesome value. Not some insane people here.
Noel is well within his rights to play Oasis songs. As is Liam. Hell, I am well within my rights to march down to the subway and sing Oasis songs for three hours. There's no morality involved here. It's just about playing music.
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Post by gdforever on Oct 24, 2011 12:11:59 GMT -5
But on the other hand BDI (Liam) talked that split to death. And to say he didn't say anything nasty isn't really true.
Noel hasn't made a serious comment about it for 3 months. Personally, I preferred Noel's take. Say it once, say it clear, say it on record, and avoid talking about it again. I got sick of reading or listen to BDI interviews because half of them would be devoted to saying the same old things about Noel.
"Noel stole material" "Noel's shows/album will be boring" "Noel wanted to leave the whole tour" "Oasis ended because Noel wanted to be a solo artist" "Noel travelled seperately"
As for the PR companies. Maybe BDI should have switched judging by the significantly higher profile of NGHFB. What is the moral high ground in staying with a company that isn't pushing hard to promote you. There is no such thing as a homespun PR company. You go with the company that promises you the best support.
Also Murray Chalmers has The Stone Roses and Radiohead so it's not like it's all Maddonna and Robbie Williams.
I am more excited about the new songs but I'm fine with Noel playing Oasis songs to pad out the set as long as he isn't dropping HFB songs for them. I hope he keeps working at ASGOG and LTLSALOM and slots them in instead later on in the tour.
But none of that is morality. Neither of them is doing anything wrong.
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Post by jason1977 on Oct 24, 2011 12:20:36 GMT -5
best thing they could of done split up music was becoming stale in oasis .I for one hope noel stays solo
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Post by masterplan2011 on Oct 24, 2011 12:28:46 GMT -5
But on the other hand BDI (Liam) talked that split to death. And to say he didn't say anything nasty isn't really true. . I agree with some of your points but in fairness every single interview Beady Eye did they got asked the same questions about the split. They gave their view of it and Noel gave his. Whose view I believe I don't know but you could tell Beady Eye were sick of talking about it as well. As for the original posters comments I can see where he is coming from but I don't think neither parties have took the moral high ground. I think Noel has tried to take it bit by handling the split a bit more calmly. To the general public it will look like Noel has the moral high ground as he seen as the sensible or sane one but I think we all know that they are both to blame. Even Andy Bell could be to blame we don't know really do we? As for Noel playing Oasis songs well I have no problem with that, they are his songs after all. Also, I have big respect for Beady Eye just playing their new songs on tour. They needed and wanted to form a new identity and I think they have.
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Post by gdforever on Oct 24, 2011 12:35:40 GMT -5
But on the other hand BDI (Liam) talked that split to death. And to say he didn't say anything nasty isn't really true. . I agree with some of your points but in fairness every single interview Beady Eye did they got asked the same questions about the split. They gave their view of it and Noel gave his. Whose view I believe I don't know but you could tell Beady Eye were sick of talking about it as well. They totally did. And tbf so has Noel...it's just Noel continues to deflect and derail with a joke. Or as the subject came up subtly sidetracked the conversation Liam let himself be mired in that to a certain extent. Noel has been asked about the split in pretty much every interview. And I know I listened to quite a few where Liam was the first to bring up Noel. And I read a few where the journalist actually said that they had been planning on avoiding the subject of Noel and the split and Liam launched into it on his own much to the amazing of the journalist.
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Post by tritontcb on Oct 24, 2011 12:38:58 GMT -5
also, beady eye is no longer with marcus russell for management.
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Post by gdforever on Oct 24, 2011 12:40:15 GMT -5
also, beady eye is no longer with marcus russell for management. Are they off Ignition totally? Or is it just someone else @ Ignition handing them?
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Post by Nyron Nosworthy on Oct 24, 2011 13:42:41 GMT -5
Moral high ground? No, I don't think either party can claim the moral high ground as I don't think either have gone about it the 'wrong' or 'right' way. They've chosen different approaches but both are valid.
Beady Eye can be very proud of what they've achieved so far. I don't think they would have really had any credibility left had they gone down the Oasis best-of route, so it was either that or semi-retire. I do think they deserve a lot of credit though for sticking to their guns, putting the work in and releasing a decent album that surpassed expectations, as it would have been very easy for Liam to jack it in, make the occasional public appearance airing his views and still remain high profile. Especially when they will have surely known that this is as big as they're ever going to get, and it will be very difficult for them to win over any new fans beyond the hardcore Oasis fanbase.
At the same time, the same can be said for Noel. He wanted to make the solo record, but do it with the safety of Oasis to fall back on if it went tits up. He chose to leave/had no choice but to leave (depending on your view) but could have easily thought "fuck this, I don't need the hassle". Not only has he put his bollocks on the chopping board when he's clearly not comfortable gigging on his own, but he's got the AA album coming out as well when he could have easily put out another few albums of easy-listening Oasis leftovers. He's earned the right to play Oasis songs and is giving the audience what they want. I'd rather hear the classics mixed in with his solo songs, and would rather hear Beady Eye playing all their own songs than Oasis songs without Noel. It just wouldn't be the same.
They've both did well, and we should be proud of them, rather than Noel fans trying to laud it over Liam fans or visa versa.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2011 14:12:20 GMT -5
Moral high ground? No, I don't think either party can claim the moral high ground as I don't think either have gone about it the 'wrong' or 'right' way. They've chosen different approaches but both are valid. Beady Eye can be very proud of what they've achieved so far. I don't think they would have really had any credibility left had they gone down the Oasis best-of route, so it was either that or semi-retire. I do think they deserve a lot of credit though for sticking to their guns, putting the work in and releasing a decent album that surpassed expectations, as it would have been very easy for Liam to jack it in, make the occasional public appearance airing his views and still remain high profile. Especially when they will have surely known that this is as big as they're ever going to get, and it will be very difficult for them to win over any new fans beyond the hardcore Oasis fanbase. At the same time, the same can be said for Noel. He wanted to make the solo record, but do it with the safety of Oasis to fall back on if it went tits up. He chose to leave/had no choice but to leave (depending on your view) but could have easily thought "fuck this, I don't need the hassle". Not only has he put his bollocks on the chopping board when he's clearly not comfortable gigging on his own, but he's got the AA album coming out as well when he could have easily put out another few albums of easy-listening Oasis leftovers. He's earned the right to play Oasis songs and is giving the audience what they want. I'd rather hear the classics mixed in with his solo songs, and would rather hear Beady Eye playing all their own songs than Oasis songs without Noel. It just wouldn't be the same. They've both did well, and we should be proud of them, rather than Noel fans trying to laud it over Liam fans or visa versa. yes, totally agree with that. is it true about the management change for BDI? where does the info come from?
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Post by masterplan2011 on Oct 24, 2011 14:17:07 GMT -5
Moral high ground? No, I don't think either party can claim the moral high ground as I don't think either have gone about it the 'wrong' or 'right' way. They've chosen different approaches but both are valid. Beady Eye can be very proud of what they've achieved so far. I don't think they would have really had any credibility left had they gone down the Oasis best-of route, so it was either that or semi-retire. I do think they deserve a lot of credit though for sticking to their guns, putting the work in and releasing a decent album that surpassed expectations, as it would have been very easy for Liam to jack it in, make the occasional public appearance airing his views and still remain high profile. Especially when they will have surely known that this is as big as they're ever going to get, and it will be very difficult for them to win over any new fans beyond the hardcore Oasis fanbase. At the same time, the same can be said for Noel. He wanted to make the solo record, but do it with the safety of Oasis to fall back on if it went tits up. He chose to leave/had no choice but to leave (depending on your view) but could have easily thought "fuck this, I don't need the hassle". Not only has he put his bollocks on the chopping board when he's clearly not comfortable gigging on his own, but he's got the AA album coming out as well when he could have easily put out another few albums of easy-listening Oasis leftovers. He's earned the right to play Oasis songs and is giving the audience what they want. I'd rather hear the classics mixed in with his solo songs, and would rather hear Beady Eye playing all their own songs than Oasis songs without Noel. It just wouldn't be the same. They've both did well, and we should be proud of them, rather than Noel fans trying to laud it over Liam fans or visa versa. Yeah agree with that assessment. The boys have done good.
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Post by tritontcb on Oct 24, 2011 14:38:38 GMT -5
they are off completely. i was told it's Scott Rogers now (Arcade Fire, McCartney, MIA, BJORK).
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2011 14:42:05 GMT -5
they are off completely. i was told it's Scott Rogers now (Arcade Fire, McCartney, MIA, BJORK). that is really, really interesting. should have done it at the start I thought. maybe t's not all over then, could be very interesting times ahead if there's no 'conflict of interest' type planning in the proceedings. BDI to support Macca maybe???
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2011 14:48:06 GMT -5
they are off completely. i was told it's Scott Rogers now (Arcade Fire, McCartney, MIA, BJORK). Get ready for a huge boost in their profile then. Rogers is somewhat of a dirty name around many Arcade Fire fans, a lot of us don't like how he deals with people, but we all agree that he gets the job done. Interesting to see how promo will be the second time around for Beady Eye.
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