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Post by mossy on Nov 4, 2015 15:32:57 GMT -5
how childish is it to slag his music off? That takes away some of their credibility for me. To be fair the AA only said anything negative after months of Noel doing it about them first... It would piss off even the most committed hippie. Liam even sued Noel! |
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Post by defmaybe00 on Nov 4, 2015 15:32:53 GMT -5
I still don't understand why they'd work with someone they clearly don't like Plenty of fantastic music has been made by people who don't like each other! Also these comments were all after the event when the relationship had soured. I meant musically Someone you clearly don't like musically |
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Post by mossy on Nov 4, 2015 15:37:22 GMT -5
Plenty of fantastic music has been made by people who don't like each other! Also these comments were all after the event when the relationship had soured. I meant musically Someone you clearly don't like musically I don't think it's as simple as to say they didn't like Noel's or Oasis's music. I'm sure there're many elements they did like. I love Oasis but hate everything about Little James and PAITM for example. They obviously liked enough to think they could do something together. |
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Post by jaq515 on Nov 4, 2015 15:51:51 GMT -5
Me neither. Everything they say about him seems to be negative. It must be really hard to work with someone you dislike both personally and musically. They probably did it just to get more fame. Now I can see how the album getting dropped must be frustrating, but how childish is it to slag his music off? That takes away some of their credibility for me. if you look back for many many years they were more than compliemtary and was excited about working with noel so that isn't true. Noel was also very complimentary and excited about working with them, even deep into the sessions. Like said above once the relationship broke down both sides became became sour.. which guess tarnishes them both |
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Post by Mr. Bigglesworth on Nov 4, 2015 15:53:25 GMT -5
I really don't want to create a VS thing here. This sounds awesome maxbe AA should help Liam doing his songs.... That would be great I think. Here's an old comment from Gaz's FB about meeting Liam: Gaz: "YEH I had an interesting encounter with Liam backstage at Wembley - he was very flattering and complimentary ... ' I wanna thank you .. No really ... For fookin opening my mind ' turning to my girlfriend ' behind every great man is a great woman ' They ( the rest of oasis round me in a semi -circle Noel having left immediately the gig was over - I was supposed to meet him before gig but was late ) all thought I was there with a view to producing Oasis and seemed up for it - Liam ' I just wanna make a record that stops the world dead in its tracks for a moment to listen ' complete with classic Liam demonstrative stance ' just to fookin stop for a moment ' legs bent and akimbo both hands dogmatically reaffirming the words ' I'm sure Noels got his mits all over you but anyway ,I got tracks ...., not full tracks , bits of tracks I could use your help on .... ' right up to my face by this time ...I backed off a bit ,looked at him , thought a moment and replied ' that's what I do really , collage , pieces - you can call me MR BITS ' he looked at Andy bell , Gem all stood round me hangin' on every word .. He cocked his head back in a reverse kind of nod , a ' hark at him ' manner and then muttered 'Mr Bits ' half to himself ... Considering it ... and then wandered off muttering ' Mr Bits 'Called me Mr Bits for the rest of the night .... Unfortunately I didnt take his number and I felt rather guilty with what I knew ... Lovely boys all of them and watching them that night perform a wall of noise , Liam sneering in a punk like fashion without subtlety or dynamic I couldn't help ( fresh from the falling down remix ) think that I'd love to fly straight into oasis cos these guys were hungry and open , keen and under utilized . Noel had told me how he'd played our FALLING DOWN remix before a gig and how they were all to a man transfixed . When I told Brian the story on the phone next day he sighed 'I wish we were producing oasis rather than Noel - imagine what we could do with them - they're all clearly great musicians if given more rein ' Listening to Noels demos ( as I was repeatedly at that point ) all mid paced, insular , slightly maudlin guitar strum , it was hard to disagree .....,,." Read more: live4ever.proboards.com/thread/80802/nme-amorphous-androgynous-hit-back-1220185?page=15#ixzz3qYPClvJgfuck dave sitek was a blast but imagine if Liam or Beady Eye would get them ..... I would love to hear that tapes. they should get in touch for fucks sake! |
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Post by gdforever on Nov 4, 2015 15:59:09 GMT -5
I meant musically Someone you clearly don't like musically I don't think it's as simple as to say they didn't like Noel's or Oasis's music. I'm sure there're many elements they did like. I love Oasis but hate everything about Little James and PAITM for example. They obviously liked enough to think they could do something together. From the quote where he said he wished he were working with Oasis instead of Noel as he listened to his "maudlin strum" certainly doesn't sound like he was a big fan of the music that Noel brought to him. And that was before the project even started. I think it shows that the cracks in the foundation of this project existed far in advance of the project being eventually shelved. I think that they were using Noel for his name and exposure. If Noel hadn't been rich and famous...no way judging by that quote would they have had anything to do with him. |
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Post by tomlivesforever on Nov 4, 2015 16:06:21 GMT -5
Me neither. Everything they say about him seems to be negative. It must be really hard to work with someone you dislike both personally and musically. They probably did it just to get more fame. Now I can see how the album getting dropped must be frustrating, but how childish is it to slag his music off? That takes away some of their credibility for me.  They've been going decades, they have never seemed to make a grab for fame and they weren't this time. Because they worked with Noel and those sessions were scrapped they got asked more questions about it and thus are more visible to you and me. It doesn't look to me like they have gone out of there way to put him down. It wasn't all one way in any case, what does that do for Noel's credibility? |
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Post by jaq515 on Nov 4, 2015 16:07:22 GMT -5
I don't think it's as simple as to say they didn't like Noel's or Oasis's music. I'm sure there're many elements they did like. I love Oasis but hate everything about Little James and PAITM for example. They obviously liked enough to think they could do something together. From the quote where he said he wished he were working with Oasis instead of Noel as he listened to his "maudlin strum" certainly doesn't sound like he was a big fan of the music that Noel brought to him. And that was before the project even started. I think it shows that the cracks in the foundation of this project existed far in advance of the project being eventually shelved. I think that they were using Noel for his name and exposure. If Noel hadn't been rich and famous...no way judging by that quote would they have had anything to do with him. or after being so impressed at wembley and with his song writing skills in general they saw what potential he had. a lot of their quotes seem to say they knew he had it in him but he didn't believe etc. Sure a good producer should believe when working with some one they try and get that out of them, differently and more advanced than what they would do own their own / demos etc.. Being more excited for an oasis type record and set of people/ band vs just one person doesnt mean they weren't still confident with noel.. having 4 is 99% of time better than having 1. |
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Post by mossy on Nov 4, 2015 16:12:19 GMT -5
I don't think it's as simple as to say they didn't like Noel's or Oasis's music. I'm sure there're many elements they did like. I love Oasis but hate everything about Little James and PAITM for example. They obviously liked enough to think they could do something together. From the quote where he said he wished he were working with Oasis instead of Noel as he listened to his "maudlin strum" certainly doesn't sound like he was a big fan of the music that Noel brought to him. And that was before the project even started. I think it shows that the cracks in the foundation of this project existed far in advance of the project being eventually shelved. I think that they were using Noel for his name and exposure. If Noel hadn't been rich and famous...no way judging by that quote would they have had anything to do with him. That "maudlin strum" quote came out well after the event and after Noel had slated their work as shit. No doubt it comes with some hyperbole from annoyance. I do agree with you that the sessions were probably showing cracks from the beginning though. Having initially worked on a fairly atypical Oasis song in Falling Down, perhaps they were expecting Noel to bring in more experimental songs in that vein rather than say Dream On. As to saying they were using Noel for exposure, remember that he approached them, not the other way round. They've made a living for decades working on extremely uncommercial music, releasing it in uncommercial ways. Why in their late forties do you think they'd suddenly be so desperate for exposure? I don't buy it. |
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Post by Mr. Bigglesworth on Nov 4, 2015 16:13:26 GMT -5
As annoying this maybe seems to some of you I think Andy, Gem and especially Liam are pretty open minded, becaues they don`t have THAT much self esteem as Noel got, through his godlike state because of the glory days of DM, WTSMG, BHN etc.
Liam needs to prove and would have been a much better blank sheet of paper to write on, that noel was in the end.
If you listend to BE, sure theyre "rock shot out into space" lines were bigger than the delivery, but in my ears the album is braver than anything else gallagher related, so maybe with the right mood they would have done something REALLY great. Wasn`t Liam the main factor of getting Death in Vegas to Oasis too?
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Post by tomlivesforever on Nov 4, 2015 16:16:21 GMT -5
I really don't want to create a VS thing here. This sounds awesome maxbe AA should help Liam doing his songs.... That would be great I think. Here's an old comment from Gaz's FB about meeting Liam: Gaz: "YEH I had an interesting encounter with Liam backstage at Wembley - he was very flattering and complimentary ... ' I wanna thank you .. No really ... For fookin opening my mind ' turning to my girlfriend ' behind every great man is a great woman ' They ( the rest of oasis round me in a semi -circle Noel having left immediately the gig was over - I was supposed to meet him before gig but was late ) all thought I was there with a view to producing Oasis and seemed up for it - Liam ' I just wanna make a record that stops the world dead in its tracks for a moment to listen ' complete with classic Liam demonstrative stance ' just to fookin stop for a moment ' legs bent and akimbo both hands dogmatically reaffirming the words ' I'm sure Noels got his mits all over you but anyway ,I got tracks ...., not full tracks , bits of tracks I could use your help on .... ' right up to my face by this time ...I backed off a bit ,looked at him , thought a moment and replied ' that's what I do really , collage , pieces - you can call me MR BITS ' he looked at Andy bell , Gem all stood round me hangin' on every word .. He cocked his head back in a reverse kind of nod , a ' hark at him ' manner and then muttered 'Mr Bits ' half to himself ... Considering it ... and then wandered off muttering ' Mr Bits 'Called me Mr Bits for the rest of the night .... Unfortunately I didnt take his number and I felt rather guilty with what I knew ... Lovely boys all of them and watching them that night perform a wall of noise , Liam sneering in a punk like fashion without subtlety or dynamic I couldn't help ( fresh from the falling down remix ) think that I'd love to fly straight into oasis cos these guys were hungry and open , keen and under utilized . Noel had told me how he'd played our FALLING DOWN remix before a gig and how they were all to a man transfixed . When I told Brian the story on the phone next day he sighed 'I wish we were producing oasis rather than Noel - imagine what we could do with them - they're all clearly great musicians if given more rein ' Listening to Noels demos ( as I was repeatedly at that point ) all mid paced, insular , slightly maudlin guitar strum , it was hard to disagree .....,,." Read more: live4ever.proboards.com/thread/80802/nme-amorphous-androgynous-hit-back-1220185?page=15#ixzz3qYPClvJgI can't help but agree with that. Noel will be different on Noel's terms he won't hand it over to someone which is his wont but I can imagine it would frustration for artists such as themselves. |
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Post by gdforever on Nov 4, 2015 16:36:18 GMT -5
From the quote where he said he wished he were working with Oasis instead of Noel as he listened to his "maudlin strum" certainly doesn't sound like he was a big fan of the music that Noel brought to him. And that was before the project even started. I think it shows that the cracks in the foundation of this project existed far in advance of the project being eventually shelved. I think that they were using Noel for his name and exposure. If Noel hadn't been rich and famous...no way judging by that quote would they have had anything to do with him. That "maudlin strum" quote came out well after the event and after Noel had slated their work as shit. No doubt it comes with some hyperbole from annoyance. I do agree with you that the sessions were probably showing cracks from the beginning though. Having initially worked on a fairly atypical Oasis song in Falling Down, perhaps they were expecting Noel to bring in more experimental songs in that vein rather than say Dream On. As to saying they were using Noel for exposure, remember that he approached them, not the other way round. They've made a living for decades working on extremely uncommercial music, releasing it in uncommercial ways. Why in their late forties do you think they'd suddenly be so desperate for exposure? I don't buy it. I suppose they could have been lying about having had the discussion they say they had the next day where they expressed some dissatisfaction with the songs that were given. But somehow I doubt that. Like anyone they are probably looking to get bigger and more successful. Not saying they are trying to become massive or anything. There was a series of comments on Facebook a while back where they expressed frustration that by taking the time out for this project they had lost career momentum. Success and career growth is obviously a consideration for them...as it is for any rational human being. Working with a popular artist was a big opportunity for them which is why they turned down some other projects in favour of it. Assuming that they weren't lying about not being thrilled by the demos Noel gave them...do you really think that if he hadn't been a big name and worth millions he would have been their pick for collaborating? This project is SO dead though. I don't know that it's worth talking about it any more. At the end of the day there were creative difference and no one will likely ever hear it. |
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Post by mossy on Nov 4, 2015 16:38:16 GMT -5
I'm under no delusion that Noel and Gaz created the second coming of Sgt Pepper.
I also do not think the album would have been complete shit.
I just want to fucking hear it and judge for myself!
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Post by mossy on Nov 4, 2015 16:41:23 GMT -5
That "maudlin strum" quote came out well after the event and after Noel had slated their work as shit. No doubt it comes with some hyperbole from annoyance. I do agree with you that the sessions were probably showing cracks from the beginning though. Having initially worked on a fairly atypical Oasis song in Falling Down, perhaps they were expecting Noel to bring in more experimental songs in that vein rather than say Dream On. As to saying they were using Noel for exposure, remember that he approached them, not the other way round. They've made a living for decades working on extremely uncommercial music, releasing it in uncommercial ways. Why in their late forties do you think they'd suddenly be so desperate for exposure? I don't buy it. I suppose they could have been lying about having had the discussion they say they had the next day where they expressed some dissatisfaction with the songs that were given. But somehow I doubt that. Like anyone they are probably looking to get bigger and more successful. I believe there was a series of comments on Facebook a while back where they expressed frustration that by taking the time out for this project they had lost some career momentum. Success and career growth is obviously a consideration for them. Working with a popular artist was a big opportunity for them. Assuming that they weren't lying about not being thrilled by the demos Noel gave them...do you really think that if he hadn't been a big name and worth millions he would have been their pick for collaborating? Everyone's got to make a living. Money may well have been considered. But in the pie chart of their motivations I think it was a little trivial pursuit piece rather than a big Pac Man... |
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Post by mossy on Nov 4, 2015 16:51:34 GMT -5
This project is SO dead though. I don't know that it's worth talking about it any more. At the end of the day there were creative difference and no one will likely ever hear it. True. But... please excuse me while I rifle though my huge collection of leaked and unofficially available Oasis demos :-) |
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Post by jaq515 on Nov 4, 2015 16:52:07 GMT -5
That "maudlin strum" quote came out well after the event and after Noel had slated their work as shit. No doubt it comes with some hyperbole from annoyance. I do agree with you that the sessions were probably showing cracks from the beginning though. Having initially worked on a fairly atypical Oasis song in Falling Down, perhaps they were expecting Noel to bring in more experimental songs in that vein rather than say Dream On. As to saying they were using Noel for exposure, remember that he approached them, not the other way round. They've made a living for decades working on extremely uncommercial music, releasing it in uncommercial ways. Why in their late forties do you think they'd suddenly be so desperate for exposure? I don't buy it. I suppose they could have been lying about having had the discussion they say they had the next day where they expressed some dissatisfaction with the songs that were given. But somehow I doubt that. Like anyone they are probably looking to get bigger and more successful. Not saying they are trying to become massive or anything. There was a series of comments on Facebook a while back where they expressed frustration that by taking the time out for this project they had lost career momentum. Success and career growth is obviously a consideration for them...as it is for any rational human being. Working with a popular artist was a big opportunity for them which is why they turned down some other projects in favour of it. Assuming that they weren't lying about not being thrilled by the demos Noel gave them...do you really think that if he hadn't been a big name and worth millions he would have been their pick for collaborating? This project is SO dead though. I don't know that it's worth talking about it any more. At the end of the day there were creative difference and no one will likely ever hear it. I think their FB comments were more about actual time wasted with him. I read it like if your friend wants to meet up to do xxxx .. then pulls out and lets you down you are annoyed as if they didnt say they wanted to do xxxx you'd would've done yyyy instead. regardless its still wasted time and frustrating.. I would think that the agreement of working together happened, from the way this quote goes it was already sorted they would work with him and guess noel could have sent them 'morning glory' or 'heathen chemistry' so why where bit disappointed. (and they even saying oasis level been even better to work together) that being said they of course would have been excited to work with him because he IS the song writer of a generation. What set of producers / collaborators wouldn't be excited to work with that person on an artistic level (regardless of popularity/ sales/ money level)? like you say its all in the past and done and dusted anyway.. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2015 16:56:01 GMT -5
I'm under no delusion that Noel and Gaz created the second coming of Sgt Pepper. I also do not think the album would have been complete shit. I just want to fucking hear it and judge for myself! The 1,000,000 paragraphs written about the AA on this forum can sensibly be condensed into this. Exactly right. |
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Post by defmaybe00 on Nov 4, 2015 17:01:18 GMT -5
<---- how long has this been on here?
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Post by tomlivesforever on Nov 4, 2015 18:14:58 GMT -5
<---- how long has this been on here? Not long enough. Greatest smilie ever created. It will save me writing words in response to nonsence in the future. |
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Post by defmaybe00 on Nov 4, 2015 18:42:27 GMT -5
<---- how long has this been on here? Not long enough. Greatest smilie ever created. It will save me writing words in response to nonsence in the future. Mmh I'm not much of a fan tbh There are better simling emoticons all over the internet,the "asd" one being the best one |
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Post by tomlivesforever on Nov 4, 2015 18:45:20 GMT -5
Not long enough. Greatest smilie ever created. It will save me writing words in response to nonsence in the future. Mmh I'm not much of a fan tbh There are better simling emoticons all over the internet,the "asd" one being the best one You'll come round when you read the next few NL4E posts and know that you can just put that in. I'm a bit nostalgic anyway. It used to get used a lot on OasisCNS forum. |
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Post by gdforever on Nov 4, 2015 19:13:25 GMT -5
This project is SO dead though. I don't know that it's worth talking about it any more. At the end of the day there were creative difference and no one will likely ever hear it. True. But... please excuse me while I rifle though my huge collection of leaked and unofficially available Oasis demos :-) lol. True...true. I would doubt that this will ever happen. But stranger things have happened. |
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They've been going decades, they have never seemed to make a grab for fame and they weren't this time. Because they worked with Noel and those sessions were scrapped they got asked more questions about it and thus are more visible to you and me. It doesn't look to me like they have gone out of there way to put him down.
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