Second Coming isn't anywhere near something like Be Here Now, didn't have the quality to be a double vinyl for a start... Their first album is as good as Definitely Maybe, slightly better or worse depending on your taste, but Oasis have to be ahead overall DM+WTSMG vs TSR+TSC isn't even close.

Same for me with the Smiths, I love them but they just don't have the volume of great songs Oasis did and 90's Liam is a few unbeatable. It's a shame Noel was as good a guitarist as Johnny Marr or they'd be perfect!

for all you naysayer who say The Smiths had no melodies that come close to stuff off Oasis or Roses debut lps, have you not listened to "This Charming Man", "What Diff. Does it Make", "Ask", "Panic", "Suffer Little Children", "Still Ill", "Heaven Knows I'm Miserable Now", "Girl Afraid", "Back To The Old house", "Please Please Please let me get what I want" I mean FFS their catalog is jammed packed with melodies. Johnny Marr is the KING of British melodies, in which young a young Noel Gallagher found inspiration and began to emulate. I'm sorry, and I know this is an Oasis/Gallagher forum and we are entitled to our own opinions but, let the facts stand as facts, Noel will even attest to this but, a good chunk of "melodies" you hear on Oasis lps are pinch's here and there from Johnny's work with the Smiths and some of Squire's stuff. Talent borrows, genius steals.

It's insteresting. I think 'Heaven Knows I'm Miserable Now' is quite possibly the greatest song ever written, whilst 'The Stone Roses' is the greatest single collective work of art in the twentieth century. Both The Smiths and the Roses are miles ahead of Oasis, I only have more of a fixation to Oasis because of Liam and Noel, the rags to riches story behind them and because they were the first band that I really came to adore on a religious basis. I only became aware of The Stone Roses (and probably The Smiths) because of Oasis.



Indeed. Their ability to craft a sharp cohesive album full of astonishing stand-alone songs is second to none. Albeit, they only achieved it once (but then who else has ever achieved this?). It's all a momentum thing. The Roses were almost too fully formed and too spectacularly shaped upon the release of their debut.

Whilst Radiohead, The Beatles (and even Arcade Fire) always subconciously gave themselves space to reinvent themselves and reach startling new levels of creativity, The Stone Roses LP was as perfectly shaped and composed as an album can possibly be. Even if their contractual disputes never happened, and they were able to soldier on through 1990-91 releasing new material freshly bolstered by the confidence of their debut, there was arguably nothing they could have done to top the debut or challenge the debut's role of supremacy over the group's concept of sound. It was after all, as perfect a musical fusion as their ever could be.

I think your missing what made the smiths THE SMITHS. Morrissey's wit ( which many of you seem to like about Noel, however NO ONE comes close to Morrissey's) and melancholy lyrics which are actually quite comical at times, stuffed through the blender with Johnnys melodic gangly guitar tunes, make the most beautiful songs to come from this band. When I was young I thought the same thing about how depressing moz' lyrics sound. What actually drew me in initially was Johnnys guitar riffs and hooks, how happy the songs sounded. Then I started paying attention to Morrissey's lyrics and I found myself at times literally laughing out loud by the connotations of what he was singing about. Oasis, due to Noels writing abilities, lacked that ability to make such songs. The roses where able to do the same as the smiths. They have quite a few songs that are "depressing" yet sound uplifting and fresh w/Squires melodic tunes. No one prior to the smiths sounds like them, several bands post smiths do...

I really like The Smiths and a good few of their songs are up there with Oasis and the Roses best but most if not all of the melodies in the songs that you have listed come nowhere close to Oasis or the Roses.

Hope I get a ticket tomorrow. It's gonna be ugly.

Well my mate is gettin married on the 30th June and I'm best man, anyway his wife to be's mum and dad live across the road for Mr Bown, to cut a long story short we've got VIP backstage passes for the Friday gig woohoo! ....god help me for the speach!!!!! Hopefully Noel or Liam will be there, and probably ever god of rock n roll, can't wait!!!!