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Post by thomas09 on Jul 29, 2011 19:47:00 GMT -5
what would make a better concert setlist? oasis playing DOYS in it's entirety along with bsides or DGSS in it's entirety with bsides? cos this is the only way you can compare an oasis and beady eye show fairly since beady eye are only playing new tunes. for me, i'd much rather the beady eye setlist than the oasis one which in my opinion would be very VERY dodgy in places. I know beady eye have 5 extra songs but still, even take off your 5 least favourite songs and you have a better show. maybe beady eye dont have the big songs oasis had but there isnt a single song on that list that wouldn't translate well live  Bag It Up The Turning Waiting for the Rapture The Shock of the Lightning I'm Outta Time (Get Off Your) High Horse Lady Falling Down To Be Where There's Life Ain't Got Nothin The Nature of Reality Soldier On Those Swollen Hand Blues Boy With The Blues I Believe In All VS.‘Four Letter Word’ ‘Millionaire’ ‘The Roller’ ‘Beatles And Stones’ ‘Wind Up Dream’ ‘Bring The Light’ ‘For Anyone’ ‘Kill For A Dream’ ‘Standing On The Edge Of The Noise’ ‘Wigwam’ ‘Three Ring Circus’ ‘The Beat Goes On’ ‘The Morning Son’ Two Of A Kind In The Bubble With A Bullet Man Of Misery World Outside My Room Sons Of The Stage |
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Post by gdforever on Jul 29, 2011 21:05:15 GMT -5
I would have LOVED hearing TT live.
That would have been amazing
The fact is Oasis were adding onto a strong back catelogue and they knew that while compiling DOYS. Oasis wouldn't have been big with just DOYS in their catelogue.
Oasis WERE @ the point BDI is at playing only 1 record and b-sides. They had DM and that was far from boring.
These aren't two authentic ideas.
I think I would have liked to hear Oasis attempt DOYS back to front. Would also have like for Oasis to have done SOTSOG or BHN front to back in their day.
Not HC...and probably not DBTT because it's not like it's a cohesive album.
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Post by theultimatewannabe on Jul 29, 2011 21:53:22 GMT -5
After around 2004 to their breakup, Oasis gigs were exciting sheerly for the symbolic status of the band and the songs in the fans' minds. Oasis gigs were by then mediocre with terrible vocals giving pain to the ear most of the time, but they had those classics that the fans have ALWAYS anticipated to hear live. It gives them satisfaction just for the fact that they played it, even when Liam's vocal prowess reached the point of actually annoying the casual listeners.
Beady Eye gigs would be amazing with a few Oasis anthems added. It gives the fans something to be exhilarated about. That's a big part of gigs, especially with well-established bands and musicians.
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Post by Marcos on Jul 30, 2011 0:11:13 GMT -5
I would have LOVED hearing TT live. That would have been amazing The fact is Oasis were adding onto a strong back catelogue and they knew that while compiling DOYS. Oasis wouldn't have been big with just DOYS in their catelogue. Oasis WERE @ the point BDI is at playing only 1 record and b-sides. They had DM and that was far from boring. These aren't two authentic ideas. I think I would have liked to hear Oasis attempt DOYS back to front. Would also have like for Oasis to have done SOTSOG or BHN front to back in their day. Not HC...and probably not DBTT because it's not like it's a cohesive album. You think DBTT is not a cohesive album? Weird.. it is the most cohesive album of Oasis since MG imo. |
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Post by gdforever on Jul 30, 2011 0:37:28 GMT -5
Not in a way that they sound better together than apart kind of way.
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Post by rupertg on Jul 30, 2011 1:37:03 GMT -5
Oasis only played about half of DOYS live. Maybe Liam if they kept going would've sang Bag It Up and The Turning.
Beady Eye has more to prove since they are not playing Oasis songs including the ones they written. So when they made their first album it had to be songs that would sound good live. They didn't have the room Noel does to dance tracks and maybe some experimental music on the album. Noel could just fill the rest of the set with Oasis tunes that are mostly 13 to 14 years old.
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Post by Bittersweet Split on Jul 30, 2011 3:59:09 GMT -5
Yeah, comparing them fairly would mean comparing Definitely Maybe to Different Gear. And let's be honest, you'd be priiittty fucked in that one.
When Beady Eye release their 7th album, feel free to pull this argument out again.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2011 9:10:57 GMT -5
After around 2004 to their breakup, Oasis gigs were exciting sheerly for the symbolic status of the band and the songs in the fans' minds. Oasis gigs were by then mediocre with terrible vocals giving pain to the ear most of the time, but they had those classics that the fans have ALWAYS anticipated to hear live. It gives them satisfaction just for the fact that they played it, even when Liam's vocal prowess reached the point of actually annoying the casual listeners. Beady Eye gigs would be amazing with a few Oasis anthems added. It gives the fans something to be exhilarated about. That's a big part of gigs, especially with well-established bands and musicians. That's actually bullshit. I saw them in Bridlington a week before their split and it was the best Oasis show I've seen since 2001. And, yes, I went to quite a few. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2011 9:39:36 GMT -5
I saw Oasis in 2008 & BDI in march, BDI were brilliant, but Oasis were out of this world.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2011 9:48:06 GMT -5
This isn't helping your argument, mate.
Also, BDI will never release a 7th studio album. I just don't see it!
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Post by Nyron Nosworthy on Jul 30, 2011 12:35:07 GMT -5
Yeah, comparing them fairly would mean comparing Definitely Maybe to Different Gear. And let's be honest, you'd be priiittty fucked in that one. When Beady Eye release their 7th album, feel free to pull this argument out again. That isn't fair at all as Definitely Maybe is one of the best albums of all time and a complete and utter one off. I don't think anybody would deny that Oasis of 1994 are miles ahead of Beady Eye. |
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Post by gdforever on Jul 30, 2011 12:51:34 GMT -5
I also isn't fair to judge a 7th studio album against a debut.
Bands and artists in general tend to start think about albums a little bit different after a while. DOYS was a bit of an experiment. Noel NEVER would have designed a debut album that he best described as drony. To compare the 7th Oasis studio album to BDI's debut is @ least as unfair as comparing Oasis' debut to BDI's debut...probably more.
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Post by The Morning Son on Jul 30, 2011 12:54:22 GMT -5
Yeah, comparing them fairly would mean comparing Definitely Maybe to Different Gear. And let's be honest, you'd be priiittty fucked in that one. When Beady Eye release their 7th album, feel free to pull this argument out again. That isn't fair at all as Definitely Maybe is one of the best albums of all time and a complete and utter one off. I don't think anybody would deny that Oasis of 1994 are miles ahead of Beady Eye. And the circumstances were different. The music and the charts are not the same as they were then and more importantly the people in the two respective bands are different and lived different lives. Oasis in 1994 were 5 lads from Manchester who were young and skint. They had nothing to lose and were ready to live life. Just full of aggression and fire. Beady Eye are a band in their 40's who have played for over for 20 years and made a lot of records. They have made their money and have wives and children and have a different outlook on life. DM was a 'one off', an exceptional and near perfect album. But for their age Beady Eye have put out a pretty good debut, it's heavy and rocking in places and nice a light in others. Nice production and a good contrast between tracks. |
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Post by smiler07 on Jul 30, 2011 13:23:33 GMT -5
I'm a BDI fan but i know what i'd prefer;
Rock 'n' roll star
Shakermaker
Live forever
Up in the sky
Columbia
Supersonic
Bring it on down
Cigarettes & alcohol
Digsy's dinner
Slide away
Married with children
D'yer Wanna Be A Spaceman?
Alive (8 Track Demo)
Take me away
I will believe
Cloudburst
Listen Up
Fade Away
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Post by gdforever on Jul 30, 2011 13:33:15 GMT -5
They don't get a lesser standard because they are older IMO.
That is making excuses.
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Post by Silence Dogood on Jul 30, 2011 13:39:52 GMT -5
comparing DGSS to DM is downright moronic.
if we're talking however BDI songs to those on DOYS it'd be a more fair comparison.
I guess it would come down to personal preference. Some people love tracks like Falling Down and HHL(lol yes, they exist) and then there are those(crazies) who swear TBGO is a masterpiece.
All of this is reflects on why Noel decided to play "the hits" on his upcoming tour, instead of just his new album.
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Post by J.B on Jul 30, 2011 13:47:12 GMT -5
After around 2004 to their breakup, Oasis gigs were exciting sheerly for the symbolic status of the band and the songs in the fans' minds. Oasis gigs were by then mediocre with terrible vocals giving pain to the ear most of the time, but they had those classics that the fans have ALWAYS anticipated to hear live. It gives them satisfaction just for the fact that they played it, even when Liam's vocal prowess reached the point of actually annoying the casual listeners. From someone who never saw Oasis live after 2004 I assume? I went to see them at Wembley and they were quite simply out of this world and both Liam and Noel's voices sounded brilliant. I've also seen bands like Arctic Monkeys, Kasabian, The Libertines and The Strokes live and Oasis shit all over them comfortably with only The Libertines coming anywhere near close to being as good. |
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Post by His Royal Noelness on Jul 30, 2011 14:14:55 GMT -5
All of this is reflects on why Noel decided to play "the hits" on his upcoming tour, instead of just his new album. What's wrong with Noel playing Noel Gallagher songs at one of his gigs? Paul McCartney plays Beatles songs (even ones that John sang) and Weller plays Jam songs. |
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Post by wonderplan on Jul 30, 2011 16:59:37 GMT -5
They don't get a lesser standard because they are older IMO. That is making excuses. better be holding Noel to those same standards cuz the stuff he's writing today doesn't come close to DM either. |
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Post by gdforever on Jul 30, 2011 18:20:45 GMT -5
Noel Gallagher live will not be trying to be the same kind of show as what Oasis had been and what BDI are trying to be.
Maybe that is unfair though.
Fair enough. I take it back.
I still don't agree with comparing a 7th album and a debut album.
If you put Oasis in a small club like BDI play and had them play DOYS back to back....they'd probably still get the same kind of reaction as BDI IMO.
Comparing Oasis and BDI is futile.
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Post by deasy on Jul 30, 2011 18:46:39 GMT -5
There is definitely something missing from Beady Eye live. When I saw them in Dublin back in April I actually found myself half bored. Probably the most disappointing gig I've ever been at. The only song that actually got the crowd going a bit surprisingly was Man of Misery. The band sounded solid though.
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Post by theultimatewannabe on Jul 30, 2011 18:47:12 GMT -5
I guess then it's really about the songs. Oasis had a number of wild, exciting tunes that were just enough to make the fans go wild too; BDI on the other hand generally plays softer music. So naturally Oasis gigs would be more exciting.
And to use my former argument, BDI still needs to gain more approval from fans. They still have much momentum to build. Until then their gigs would go nowhere near Oasis's.
DOYS has TSOTL and TT which could easily stir the crowd. DGSS has none of that, it only has a few weak singalongs which doesn't really elevate the mood. But I don't think comparing DGSS to DM is fair, since what people are giving as reasons to comparing them (that is, being the debut record) is the only similarity the two share. Stylewise I'd compare DBTT with DGSS and in that circumstance, I think I'd go with DGSS for its brightness that I love.
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Post by Leezy on Jul 30, 2011 19:58:19 GMT -5
No doubt I think DG,SS is a better album than DOYS, not that I hate DOYS or anything, but DG,SS does the job better in terms of translating a collection of songs into a 'live' setlist.
Still think BDI are yet to write something that 'defines' them, like Rock 'n' Roll Star, Wonderwall, DLBIA and Live Forever did for Oasis. All BDI have is a collection of fairly good songs, nothing bad, but nothing 'that' good... at least not yet anyway!
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Post by thomas09 on Jul 31, 2011 7:29:20 GMT -5
It is not fair to compare a DM gig to DGSS gig as DM was the first batch of songs oasis ever released. DGSS is not the first batch of songs liam andy and gem have released as they wrote songs for oasis, hurricane and ride so its totally unfair to compare DM and DGSS as debut albums. Comparing DOYS and DGSS would be alot more fare and realistic as at this stage both bands had released a large number of songs, be it in the same band or individually.
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Post by Nyron Nosworthy on Aug 1, 2011 12:25:11 GMT -5
I also isn't fair to judge a 7th studio album against a debut. Bands and artists in general tend to start think about albums a little bit different after a while. DOYS was a bit of an experiment. Noel NEVER would have designed a debut album that he best described as drony. To compare the 7th Oasis studio album to BDI's debut is @ least as unfair as comparing Oasis' debut to BDI's debut...probably more. Unfair maybe, but more unfair than comparing DGSS to Definitely Maybe? Have to disagree there. It may be Beady Eye's debut in that form but it is essentially the same band minus Noel - Andy and Gem have been writing and recording for the best part of 20 years and they've been together as part of Oasis for over 10. You can't compare them to a new band of 20-somethings starting out. Regardless though, the point of the thread was that Oasis had a massive back catalogue and a gig consisting of their latest album and b-sides would be less exciting. Having seen both Oasis and Beady Eye live I think its unfair to judge either. Oasis was more about the experience of hearing a massive band playing anthems in a huge venue. I say hearing as, unless you were right at the front, you were far too far away to really appreciate what was happening on stage. Plus Oasis gigs were generally full of complete arseholes. Beady Eye gigs don't have the same magic that Oasis did, but I think I actually enjoyed seeing them more as it was a smaller venue and fewer pricks to spoil it. Obviously I'd prefer an Oasis gig - Cigarettes and Alcohol, Don't Look Back In Anger, et al - over Beady Eye overall though. I'm sure the thread was started in response to people saying Beady Eye were boring live, when they actually aren't. |
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