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Post by Teotihuacan on Jul 24, 2011 5:56:30 GMT -5
Was Amy Winehouse really that influential? Influential in a bad way IMO. Back in Black was good but, inevitably, England's record companies signed and incessantly pushed as many Winehouse clones as they could lay their hands on after its success, leaving British radio dominated by horrendous faux American R&B, sang by early 20s girls whinging about their crap boyfriends. On the Chris Moyles show in 2008 (where he premeiered TSOTL), Noel likened Winehouse to "a destitute horse", hilariously disparaged Jade Goody's perfume, and in an NME article around the same time told an anecdote about recently passed Actor Jeff Conway who they had met in LA while recording DOYS. Coincidental that all three ended up dead a few months/years later. |
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Post by Let It Bleed on Jul 24, 2011 6:09:42 GMT -5
Was Amy Winehouse really that influential? Influential in a bad way IMO. Back in Black was good but, inevitably, England's record companies signed and incessantly pushed as many Winehouse clones as they could lay their hands on after its success, leaving British radio dominated by horrendous faux American R&B, sang by early 20s girls whinging about their crap boyfriends. On the Chris Moyles show in 2008 (where he premeiered TSOTL), Noel likened Winehouse to "a destitute horse", hilariously disparaged Jade Goody's perfume, and in an NME article around the same time told an anecdote about recently passed Actor Jeff Conway who they had met in LA while recording DOYS. Coincidental that all three ended up dead a few months/years later. that's great and all. especially when you base all your opinions on what Noel Gallagher says. fuck, i didn't even really like Amy Winehouse's music, i heard 'rehab', kinda stupid. i liked her 'valerie' cover and '..when he walks away the sun goes down' song was good. it's inevitable that there'd be Amy Winehouse clones, that's how the music world works, soon we're gonna have a million Justin Bieber idiots walking around. anyway, she was a mess but i can't stand these people that write it off without any care. i get it, you don't get it, it's like a foreign language....... addiction but it's awful, and i hope you or no one you know ever has to deal with it. sorry, i've had too much orange juice this morning. |
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Post by bonkers on Jul 24, 2011 6:14:56 GMT -5
i think the problem most people probably don't care is because its another case of a celebrity who had talent and money and threw it away to drugs. Pete Doherty will be the same, he will probably be next, but look at the chances these people have had to sort themselves out, i cant feel sorry for anyone in these type of cases. thing that really gets me is these other celebs tweeting how shocked and sorry they are that 'their good friend' has passed on, well i didnt see any of them helping her out
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Post by Let It Bleed on Jul 24, 2011 6:23:04 GMT -5
i think the problem most people probably don't care is because its another case of a celebrity who had talent and money and threw it away to drugs. Pete Doherty will be the same, he will probably be next, but look at the chances these people have had to sort themselves out, i cant feel sorry for anyone in these type of cases. thing that really gets me is these other celebs tweeting how shocked and sorry they are that 'their good friend' has passed on, well i didnt see any of them helping her out yeah she had money and was a celebrity, but it could've been anyone. do you know how many 'normal' people are just like her? it's crazy. and yeah, she got away with a lot, same with Pete Doherty, but that's the way the world we live in works, money buys everything, money buys not going to jail. being a valuable commodity keeps you around. and people can only do so much, the person has to make things better, no one else can. again, sorry. too much orange juice this morning. |
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Post by Cast on Jul 24, 2011 10:53:46 GMT -5
I agree with Let It Bleed.
Addiction is just so sicking and tough to get over. A part of me thinks that she did just waste away her life with her bad choices (starting to do hard drugs in the first place and turning down rehab) but this is death of a person, someones daughter, we are talking about and with that I've always just tried to show compassion, love, and understanding to those that have passed on and their families. Addiction is not a choice.
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Post by spaneli on Jul 24, 2011 11:08:12 GMT -5
The thing is that everyone keeps assuming that she didn't go to rehab, because she said that she wasn't going in a song. But the actual truth is that she had 3 seperate stints in rehab.
I think she wanted to get better. But it's not enough to want to, and that's where many lose it. It's making the jump from wanting to be clean, to actually being clean.
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Post by RocketMan on Jul 24, 2011 11:12:19 GMT -5
you'll always be a alcohol and heroine addict. theres no chance to get clean really. depends on how good your family and friends are. don't see that her parents tried everything. it doesn't really help your daughter when you talk to the press that she could die in the future if she don't clean up. seems selfish to me
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Post by Let It Bleed on Jul 24, 2011 11:20:56 GMT -5
you'll always be a alcohol and heroine addict. theres no chance to get clean really. depends on how good your family and friends are. don't see that her parents tried everything. it doesn't really help your daughter when you talk to the press that she could die in the future if she don't clean up. seems selfish to me oh there's a chance to get clean. it has nothing to with family or friends, it's the person that has to do it. how people get sober........get really fucked up, to the point where they just can't fucking take it anymore and then you can get sober. that really works. that may sound stupid or whatever but it works, it really does. it's never too late for anyone. God bless. |
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Post by matt on Jul 24, 2011 12:20:26 GMT -5
Was Amy Winehouse really that influential? Influential in a bad way IMO. Back in Black was good but, inevitably, England's record companies signed and incessantly pushed as many Winehouse clones as they could lay their hands on after its success, leaving British radio dominated by horrendous faux American R&B, sang by early 20s girls whinging about their crap boyfriends. On the Chris Moyles show in 2008 (where he premeiered TSOTL), Noel likened Winehouse to "a destitute horse", hilariously disparaged Jade Goody's perfume, and in an NME article around the same time told an anecdote about recently passed Actor Jeff Conway who they had met in LA while recording DOYS. Coincidental that all three ended up dead a few months/years later. You can say that about any artist though - I mean, Oasis have influenced hundreds of absolutely shite indie bands (ahem, Viva Brother...). Amy Winehouse came on the scene in 2003 as a fresh faced youngster free of any kind of drugs who had the world at her feet. Unfortunately, she was vulnerable on her own, weak willed, easily went along with the bandwagon and once she got in with the wrong crowd it was disaster from there on. It certainly didn't help when the vicious British tabloids exploited her constantly while she desperately needed help. Many of these kids who come into the music industry think they are invincible when in fact they have never been so vulnerable in their whole life. I find it incredibly narrow minded and ignorant when I see friends and other folk telling me 'that's one less junkie waster' and saying she was a 'smacked up idiot had it coming to her so why should I feel sympathy'. Drug addiction is an illness, it's not a life choice. I'm not a fan of her music but it just seems cold to not feel sympathy. |
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Post by matt on Jul 24, 2011 12:23:42 GMT -5
I agree with Let It Bleed. Addiction is just so sicking and tough to get over. A part of me thinks that she did just waste away her life with her bad choices (starting to do hard drugs in the first place and turning down rehab) but this is death of a person, someones daughter, we are talking about and with that I've always just tried to show compassion, love, and understanding to those that have passed on and their families. Addiction is not a choice. +K |
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Post by NYR on Jul 24, 2011 15:15:46 GMT -5
LIB has it on the money. +k for that.
it's not that we all were surprised about it, but it doesn't make it any less tragic. this girl could sing. she was immensely gifted, and it was all thrown away too soon. such a waste of talent.
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Post by paranoidandroid on Jul 25, 2011 3:56:41 GMT -5
Ok, i wouldnt wish death or addiction on anyone but come on man, great voice? Are you lot deaf? she souinded like a fag hag tranny!
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jul 26, 2011 12:56:44 GMT -5
Great article. Again, I don't know much about Amy, but the article was able to transcend a case study of one person and extrapolate the overall message. Good work from Mr. Brand.
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Post by Let It Bleed on Jul 27, 2011 5:49:32 GMT -5
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Post by SunshineLullaby on Jul 27, 2011 7:38:25 GMT -5
Ok, i wouldnt wish death or addiction on anyone but come on man, great voice? Are you lot deaf? she souinded like a fag hag tranny! Okay, a couple things: 1. The vast majority of people, even Amy detractors, admit she has a great voice. You can disagree, but this is hardly shocking that people love her voice. 2. Fag hag is a woman who hangs around with a lot of gay guys. A transvestite is a man dressed as a woman. A transsexual is a man who becomes a woman. How she sounds like any of these I have no idea. |
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Post by paranoidandroid on Jul 27, 2011 7:42:00 GMT -5
Just my opinon dude. Her voice grated on me.
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Post by SunshineLullaby on Jul 27, 2011 7:45:41 GMT -5
I know. Hence "you can disagree, but this is hardly shocking that people love her voice".
Moving on, she was also turning into a great songwriter with Back to Black. A lot of people don't realize she wrote the bulk of that album herself, which basically never happens in pop music anymore.
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Post by davidjay on Jul 27, 2011 15:10:27 GMT -5
Thanks for the link - that's a beautifully written tribute. I didn't realise Russell Brand was such a good writer. Here's a Youtube vid of Amy at her peak, singing Teach Me Tonight on Jools Holland in 2005. Pic/sound quality of the upload is iffy, but the performance transcends it: [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CajpSeUvCPY&feature=related [/youtube] |
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