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Post by SOULDIGGER on Jul 8, 2011 13:24:02 GMT -5
Stop crying your hearts out...
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Post by shoes222 on Jul 8, 2011 13:31:08 GMT -5
Noel was ASKED a question. And he answered it to the best of his ability. I don't understand where the controversy is coming from. He did NOT call the press conference to talk about the break-up, he just answered a question.
This is the same man you people admire for always saying his honest opinion, whether about sports or politics or other bands...yet when the topic turns to Liam, all of a sudden he's out of line.
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Post by Nyron Nosworthy on Jul 8, 2011 13:55:46 GMT -5
It baffles me how someone could watch that press conference--where Noel was as measured, humble and funny as I can remember him being, and get all bent out of shape. I love the man I really do. But he's always had a way of sounding genuine and funny while only telling a half truth and slipping in remarks that are kind of unnecessarily and surely never contributed towards peaceful relationship between him and Liam. Definitely. I certainly think he's more guilty of it than Liam, but both have their moments and I think its a case of the truth as told by Noel, the truth as told by Liam and the actual truth which is somewhere in between. Liam says there was an argument, a guitar was smashed but Noel was looking for a way out. He conveniently forgot to mention that he was swinging the guitar at Noel like a maniac. Noel says Liam attacked him and that he was perfectly happy in the band before that, conveniently forgetting the god knows how many statements he'd made in the six months prior about wanting a 5 year break from the band, rudderless ship, and that he wasn't happy and wanted to do his own thing. They both speak the truth as it suits. |
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Post by gdforever on Jul 8, 2011 14:02:12 GMT -5
I love the man I really do. But he's always had a way of sounding genuine and funny while only telling a half truth and slipping in remarks that are kind of unnecessarily and surely never contributed towards peaceful relationship between him and Liam. This is what I'm on about! I love the guy too (obviously, otherwise I wouldn't be here!) but I can't stand this. He's calling a fucking press conference to give his opinion. Why was this necessary? Now the whole world nows HIS opinion. Again. With the statement being the first one. You were satisfied with that statement? Well I wasn't it was the vaguest most unhelpful statement I've ever read. And we didn't even know what he meant by half of it! And Liam explanations have not been much better despite him having talked about the split in every interview for a year. And I agree with everyone else regarding the fact that A) he was asked and we have always appreciated the Gallagher's being straight forward. If he would have said no comment everyone on here would have said he was hiding something that he'd done wrong. B) that the press conference wasn't called to talk about Liam. It was about Noel's solo project Also Liam has done nothing but shift the blame onto Noel this entire year. Except he hasn't give an indication as to what Noel did wrong. I'll be interested if Liam can tell us something Noel did that sounded horrendously out of line. Because now he might actually give us some of the details he's denied us for years Also...Noel was pretty measured here. Nothing was that inflammatory. Certainly nothing to explain the extent to which you are inflamed even days later. Worst thing he called ANYONE is Liam a plum...in the context of a pun. He was disapproving of Andy. Positive towards Gem and Chris. Unsure and repentant about himself. And somewhere between ambivalent and positive about DGSS. |
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Post by spaneli on Jul 8, 2011 14:04:57 GMT -5
I love the man I really do. But he's always had a way of sounding genuine and funny while only telling a half truth and slipping in remarks that are kind of unnecessarily and surely never contributed towards peaceful relationship between him and Liam. They both speak the truth as it suits. That's the case with every person. I think that sometimes people forget that Liam and Noel are human. They aren't perfect. They make mistakes, they can be wrong, they can be idiots. They're human. |
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Post by Nyron Nosworthy on Jul 8, 2011 14:14:32 GMT -5
They both speak the truth as it suits. That's the case with every person. I think that sometimes people forget that Liam and Noel are human. They aren't perfect. They make mistakes, they can be wrong, they can be idiots. They're human. Totally agree. And for those saying Liam has always shifted the blame onto Noel for the past year, he hasn't. There are times where he has been quite humble, accepted his share of the blame and said they're both too egotistical to work together. Of course there are also times when he's slated Noel. It changes from interview to interview. |
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jul 8, 2011 14:17:27 GMT -5
This is what I'm on about! I love the guy too (obviously, otherwise I wouldn't be here!) but I can't stand this. He's calling a fucking press conference to give his opinion. Why was this necessary? Now the whole world nows HIS opinion. Again. With the statement being the first one. You were satisfied with that statement? Well I wasn't it was the vaguest most unhelpful statement I've ever read. And we didn't even know what he meant by half of it! And Liam explanations have not been much better despite him having talked about the split in every interview for a year. And I agree with everyone else regarding the fact that A) he was asked and we have always appreciated the Gallagher's being straight forward. If he would have said no comment everyone on here would have said he was hiding something that he'd done wrong. B) that the press conference wasn't called to talk about Liam. It was about Noel's solo project Also Liam has done nothing but shift the blame onto Noel this entire year. Except he hasn't give an indication as to what Noel did wrong. I'll be interested if Liam can tell us something Noel did that sounded horrendously out of line. Because now he might actually give us some of the details he's denied us for years Also...Noel was pretty measured here. Nothing was that inflammatory. Certainly nothing to explain the extent to which you are inflamed even days later. Worst thing he called ANYONE is Liam a plum...in the context of a pun. He was disapproving of Andy. Positive towards Gem and Chris. Unsure and repentant about himself. And somewhere between ambivalent and positive about DGSS. One thousands times this |
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Post by henrod89 on Jul 8, 2011 14:35:20 GMT -5
I really don't understand how anyone can be upset by what Noel had to say. He's the one who has handled the whole breakup somewhat matturely. Liam, as always, has acted like a child.
I remember reading these boards after the split and so many people were taking up for Liam. I had to take a long hiatus from this site, coz I was in awe. I don't get why so many people take up for a lead singer who has given up on his fans so many times in the past, leaving Noel with his singing duties. Liam is the one who said he had "throat issues" and couldn't play, as he did many times in the past, etc. He's a child.
The press conference was the first time Noel said anything about the issue. He's kept quiet. He's had time to not let his emotions get the best of him. I absolutely believe his side of the story and I can understand why he was somewhat annoyed with Andy.
Noel looked and sounded great at the press conference. Unlike Liam, his voice had greatly improved over time. I look forward to hearing Noel's album. It's going to be top notch . . .
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Post by kimallenbewick on Jul 8, 2011 19:36:07 GMT -5
I don't understand you...
Liam has been explaining his version of the story for long time and when Noel explains his version he's positioning Oasis' fans against Liam? Liam did the same! Liam even said Noel didn't have a reason to leave Oasis, he just invented an excuse which is even worse than what Noel said...
If people believe Noel more than Liam is not Noel's fault... they both have explained their versions.
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Post by kimallenbewick on Jul 8, 2011 19:42:05 GMT -5
Even more, I have listened lots of interviews since the split of Liam talking bad about Noel and it seems to me Liam's always more tough with Noel than Noel's with Liam.. Noel usually jokes about Liam being a knobhead and all that but Liam speaks in a more rude and violent way about Noel.
Just my thoughts..
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Post by drteter on Jul 8, 2011 19:58:24 GMT -5
The way I see it, both are equally at fault for the split. Here's how I see things:
Reasons Noel is responsible for the breakup:
-Slagging off Liam during interviews (he and everyone else thought it was funny but Liam clearly took offense. I know that they're both grown men, but you generally don't continually demean your coworkers' intelligence/abilities, no matter whether it's true or funny)
-Continually provoking Liam and being overly precious about the ad in the Oasis tour program. Yeah, the proceeds of that venture only support Liam but band members should be supportive of the other band members' ventures if they're not illegal or immoral. Selling clothes is neither, as recognized by the guys that did embrace it (Gem and Chris).
Reasons Liam's at fault:
-Being irresponsible. He did walk out on a fair few Oasis gigs over the years and though he had/has certainly calmed down by a large amount, he did beg out of a lot of stuff that he didn't want to do that should have been filed under the "shit you have to put up with for being in hugely successful band" category.
-Being verbally and, at the end, physically abusive to Noel. Wielding a guitar isn't good and neither is the way he talked about Noel when he did have bad words to say about him.
If Noel backs off the chiding, Liam probably plays nice in the press. If Liam never swings that guitar around, Noel probably doesn't leave Oasis in Paris. If Noel let Liam advertise in the program, that whole fight doesn't happen. If Liam wasn't irresponsible, the V Festival gig doesn't get canceled and Noel isn't as plucked off when they get to Paris. Chicken and egg.
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Post by gdforever on Jul 8, 2011 20:30:59 GMT -5
Never mind...I don't care enough. They should let the iPhone app delete a post.
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Post by agnhi on Jul 8, 2011 20:33:20 GMT -5
Even more, I have listened lots of interviews since the split of Liam talking bad about Noel and it seems to me Liam's always more tough with Noel than Noel's with Liam.. Noel usually jokes about Liam being a knobhead and all that but Liam speaks in a more rude and violent way about Noel. Just my thoughts.. To be clear: both versions of the story aren't "correct" those are their personal views, truth is somewhere in the middle as it is always with such things. As for Liam's comments about Noel after split, he's been rather nice really, he even said a few months ago that if he was to see Noel in this one football game, he'd go say hi. If anything Liam's recent comments had been really just light jokes, it seemed like he was more ready to fix things than ever. Pre-press conference all Noel had said had been "he's an idiot" Noel's way of talking about Liam might seem more funny and all but lots of people who've followed these two for a good while agree that Noel's very good at upsetting Liam with his "jokes" and knows exactly where to hit with his words and how to turn the media+public to his side, and against Liam. drteter wrote quite nicely about this |
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Post by crownie on Jul 9, 2011 2:06:21 GMT -5
quite astounding Andy has been made a villian on here for doing nothing...
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Post by BlueJay on Jul 9, 2011 2:23:03 GMT -5
Not to troll, but is Noel aware the only person to succeed doing this is Devin Townsend? What? Many artists have done this. Some have even released 2 albums on the same day. Noel releasing 2 albums around 9 months apart isn't overly unusual. This, its not even as though its part of a two album series, they are just two different album's being released in different years. The Beatles used to release albums between 9-12 months apart and even MG was released only 12-13 months after DM. No big deal  |
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Post by lastfanstanding on Jul 9, 2011 4:28:30 GMT -5
Being a fan is serious business.
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