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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jul 6, 2011 15:32:59 GMT -5
In GDForever's defense, she's not even technically missing a word.
She's showing a hypothetical - Liam was (evidently) aiming for Noel, but missed. So she's saying how would it be acceptable to hit someone over the head with a guitar. At the very most, the word "tried" is implied in context.
But emotions aren't rational. And that's a hard thing for a lot of people - myself included - to grasp. It's so easy to look on from as a by stander and give your views because since you're not caught up in the events, you can act rationally. But try being in a melee. It's much harder to act with thought.....
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Post by gdforever on Jul 6, 2011 17:07:50 GMT -5
In GDForever's defense, she's not even technically missing a word. She's showing a hypothetical - Liam was (evidently) aiming for Noel, but missed. So she's saying how would it be acceptable to hit someone over the head with a guitar. At the very most, the word "tried" is implied in context. But emotions aren't rational. And that's a hard thing for a lot of people - myself included - to grasp. It's so easy to look on from as a by stander and give your views because since you're not caught up in the events, you can act rationally. But try being in a melee. It's much harder to act with thought..... I thought it was self explanatory. Tomlivesforever is thick though and useless to talk to. He knew he couldn't back up his own opinion so he fixated like a 3 year old. |
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Post by tomlivesforever on Jul 6, 2011 17:24:57 GMT -5
Okay, monkey man. I'll take that as one of the backward rules of your people. I'll accept that as long as you promise to remember not to hit anyone over the head with a guitar...or anything really...or trying to hit them. Remember...that is as big a social faux pas Geez! you're a funny girl , you take yourself waaaay too seriously You know that stanncie. Just remember as long as you don't disagree with her or say anything that might be interpreted as a slight about Mr Noel Gallagher or anything that can be analysed to death or anything about family dynamics or about social morality or close to anything at all. You'll be alright  |
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Post by gdforever on Jul 6, 2011 17:28:51 GMT -5
Geez! you're a funny girl , you take yourself waaaay too seriously You know that stanncie. Just remember as long as you don't disagree with her or say anything that might be interpreted as a slight about Mr Noel Gallagher or anything that can be analysed to death or anything about family dynamics or about social morality or close to anything at all. You'll be alright Remember what I said about hitting people. |
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jul 6, 2011 17:45:52 GMT -5
I seriously can't keep up with this entire forum today. It's been way too overwhelming.
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Post by spaneli on Jul 6, 2011 17:49:00 GMT -5
I seriously can't keep up with this entire forum today. It's been way too overwhelming. You should have been a true fan and stayed up!  joking of course. |
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Post by kimallenbewick on Jul 6, 2011 19:08:28 GMT -5
I'm freaking out about what I have to read...
It's scary how some of you try to defend Liam with stupid justifications and excuses.
First of all I can't understand why some of you say Noel shouldn't blame Andy for what happened cause his reaction is a normal reaction due to the fight was ''brother issues''... WTF?! I can't understand how someone can be sitting next to two men who are fighting, even more, one of them threatening the other in a violent way, and say nothing.. That really shows a lot of a person and I would never be there and do anything.. It's selfish and coward.
So if I wanna judge Andy because of that, I will do it cause maybe he's not the one to blame for Oasis split but his actions define him.
I don't understand either how some of you think Noel's version is not the true one... I mean, it's obviously the true, not because it was Noel who said that, but because he gives a detailed explaination of what happened while Liam's only said: It was a fight like other ones...
Plus, Liam's said lots of times the fight was not that bad but Noel used it as an excuse to leave the band. Well, now, for what Noel's said, that's completely not true cause Noel never wanted to leave Oasis and I really believe he's a bit uncomfortable with being alone at stage and with the frontman role.
Btw, I don't hate Liam.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jul 6, 2011 19:35:47 GMT -5
I'm freaking out about what I have to read... It's scary how some of you try to defend Liam with stupid justifications and excuses. First of all I can't understand why some of you say Noel shouldn't blame Andy for what happened cause his reaction is a normal reaction due to the fight was ''brother issues''... WTF?! I can't understand how someone can be sitting next to two men who are fighting, even more, one of them threatening the other in a violent way, and say nothing.. That really shows a lot of a person and I would never be there and do anything.. It's selfish and coward. So if I wanna judge Andy because of that, I will do it cause maybe he's not the one to blame for Oasis split but his actions define him. I don't understand either how some of you think Noel's version is not the true one... I mean, it's obviously the true, not because it was Noel who said that, but because he gives a detailed explaination of what happened while Liam's only said: It was a fight like other ones... Plus, Liam's said lots of times the fight was not that bad but Noel used it as an excuse to leave the band. Well, now, for what Noel's said, that's completely not true cause Noel never wanted to leave Oasis and I really believe he's a bit uncomfortable with being alone at stage and with the frontman role. Btw, I don't hate Liam. I agree. I also don't understand those who say no one should intervene between Noel and Liam. Here's a hypothetical: You're hanging out with a bunch of friends. Two of those friends have just started yelling at eachother, and there have been a few shoves. Now, these two friends argue constantly but often doesn't evolve into anything overly violent. However, one of them is now raving mad and is pushing the other much harder now, threatening with further violence, and winding his fist up to punch his friend. You're telling me you would stand by and let violence among you group of friends happen? Bullshit. No, you get involved. You get in between the two, and you try to calm down the more violent of the two. He's not going to take a swing at you, he has no beef with you. We see this happen all the time on the football pitch when events boil over and handbags occur - captains (or others) intervene with their team mates (and sometimes even with opposition players!) to calm them down. ^Look how both teams step in to push Vieira away so he can't go ballistic at Stam. Furthermore, look how Vieira doesn't violently react to those trying to look out for his best interest. Point made. If Andy did step in, Liam wouldn't have hit Andy. Again, Liam's beef isn't with Andy. It would have helped diffuse the situation, and it certainly wouldn't hurt. It's utter nonsense to say friends, band mates, teammates, etc shouldn't get involved. If they don't get involved, what kind of friends are they? I can totally understand why Noel felt betrayed now. |
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Post by eva Fawkes on Jul 6, 2011 19:40:17 GMT -5
i realized two days ago i've been using the wrong shampoo and conditioner for the last year.
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Post by alwaysnow on Jul 6, 2011 20:09:16 GMT -5
I hope the next thing that leaks is the videotape from the security camera backstage at the Paris gig, complete with the band's commentary with each members' take on the events and a psychologist analizing each one as a bonus feature.
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Post by matt on Jul 6, 2011 20:13:04 GMT -5
In GDForever's defense, she's not even technically missing a word. She's showing a hypothetical - Liam was (evidently) aiming for Noel, but missed. Of course it was evident, as we were all there to witness it. And with such vast knowledge of it we can now all slate poor Andy Bell.  |
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Post by keazu on Jul 6, 2011 20:15:52 GMT -5
Just to put in my two cents, anyone who lost respect for Andy Bell is fucking mad. Did you ever picture a scenario in which he would break up a fight between Liam and Noel? Honestly, he did exactly what anyone who's followed the man would expect him to do. If you lost respect for him, you've seriously misunderstood the man in the first place.
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Post by matt on Jul 6, 2011 20:19:51 GMT -5
Just to put in my two cents, anyone who lost respect for Andy Bell is fucking mad. Did you ever picture a scenario in which he would break up a fight between Liam and Noel? Honestly, he did exactly what anyone who's followed the man would expect him to do. If you lost respect for him, you've seriously misunderstood the man in the first place. Very true. Maybe Andy was fed up with the pair of them and thought they should grow up? Naturally, your just going to think to yourself 'fuck you both and grow the fuck up, sort it out yourselves, I'm not getting involved in this'. Of course, a wise man never speaks his mind entirely. It's easy to go against the quiet and unassuming Andy Bell because of what came out of Saint Noel's mouth (seriously, I idolise and love Noel but I'm not going to jump on his bandwagon like a lot of folk here), but that's being very ignorant and narrow minded of the matter. People can be blinded by what their heroes say. Let's hear what Andy has to say before making judgements - infact, let's not make judgement at all because we never saw the bloody fight. |
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Post by gdforever on Jul 6, 2011 22:15:24 GMT -5
In GDForever's defense, she's not even technically missing a word. She's showing a hypothetical - Liam was (evidently) aiming for Noel, but missed. Of course it was evident, as we were all there to witness it. And with such vast knowledge of it we can now all slate poor Andy Bell. Why is eveyone so intent on blaming Andy Bell. I know that Noel felt betrayed by him. But really...his role was fairly minor compared to the roles of Noel and Liam in the break. Is it just because he just learned about Andy's role? |
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Post by BlueJay on Jul 6, 2011 22:53:32 GMT -5
Of course it was evident, as we were all there to witness it. And with such vast knowledge of it we can now all slate poor Andy Bell. Why is eveyone so intent on blaming Andy Bell. I know that Noel felt betrayed by him. But really...his role was fairly minor compared to the roles of Noel and Liam in the break. Is it just because he just learned about Andy's role?  gd, you were one of the very first to put the full blame on Andy! Change of mind? |
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Post by gdforever on Jul 6, 2011 23:09:31 GMT -5
Why is eveyone so intent on blaming Andy Bell. I know that Noel felt betrayed by him. But really...his role was fairly minor compared to the roles of Noel and Liam in the break. Is it just because he just learned about Andy's role? gd, you were one of the very first to put the full blame on Andy! Change of mind? I did not, I believe that Andy should have engaged as member of the band. But never did I say it was fully his fault. But now people are making it out to be Andy's fault they split. Andy should have had a spine. I believe that. You don't have to. You can be alright with letting someone be physically attacked without stepping in. But to me it signals a lack of character. Sometimes still waters run deep...but sometimes they are shallow too. I think Andy is shallow. |
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Post by BlueJay on Jul 6, 2011 23:17:34 GMT -5
gd, you were one of the very first to put the full blame on Andy! Change of mind? I did not, I believe that Andy should have engaged as member of the band. But never did I say it was fully his fault. But now people are making it out to be Andy's fault they split. Andy should have had a spine. I believe that. You don't have to. You can be alright with letting someone be physically attacked without stepping in. But to me it signals a lack of character. Sometimes still waters run deep...but sometimes they are shallow too. I think Andy is shallow. I don't think you can judge Andy as shallow when you don't know him in person. Remember you've heard Noel's viewpoint, not Andy's, and so you are basing your conclusion on fragments of evidence. |
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Post by gdforever on Jul 6, 2011 23:18:53 GMT -5
I did not, I believe that Andy should have engaged as member of the band. But never did I say it was fully his fault. But now people are making it out to be Andy's fault they split. Andy should have had a spine. I believe that. You don't have to. You can be alright with letting someone be physically attacked without stepping in. But to me it signals a lack of character. Sometimes still waters run deep...but sometimes they are shallow too. I think Andy is shallow. I don't think you can judge Andy as shallow when you don't know him in person. Remember you've heard Noel's viewpoint, not Andy's, and so you are basing your conclusion on fragments of evidence. I just did. I'll reeavaluate if he ever does something that shows character |
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Post by theultimatewannabe on Jul 6, 2011 23:23:17 GMT -5
I'm freaking out about what I have to read... It's scary how some of you try to defend Liam with stupid justifications and excuses. First of all I can't understand why some of you say Noel shouldn't blame Andy for what happened cause his reaction is a normal reaction due to the fight was ''brother issues''... WTF?! I can't understand how someone can be sitting next to two men who are fighting, even more, one of them threatening the other in a violent way, and say nothing.. That really shows a lot of a person and I would never be there and do anything.. It's selfish and coward. So if I wanna judge Andy because of that, I will do it cause maybe he's not the one to blame for Oasis split but his actions define him. I don't understand either how some of you think Noel's version is not the true one... I mean, it's obviously the true, not because it was Noel who said that, but because he gives a detailed explaination of what happened while Liam's only said: It was a fight like other ones... Plus, Liam's said lots of times the fight was not that bad but Noel used it as an excuse to leave the band. Well, now, for what Noel's said, that's completely not true cause Noel never wanted to leave Oasis and I really believe he's a bit uncomfortable with being alone at stage and with the frontman role. Btw, I don't hate Liam. Andy can stay quiet, it's not the first fight ever. No one could have guessed that the specific quarrel would lead to the end of Oasis. Everyone is already informed that Noel and Liam fight a lot (we know that's something that actually added a lot to Oasis's speciality) and consequently it would be strange to intervene in every single one of the fights for a person like Andy. I kinda understand what Noel is saying but I don't want to slate Andy for ruining the band since there was no serious reason for a third person to intervene. (by "serious reason" here I mean the ones like the potential end a renowned band. Harboring violence could happen considering the brothers' nature.) And I don't get how a person with more details wins on credibility over the other. Both brothers are twisted people and should not be completely relied on. |
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Post by eva Fawkes on Jul 6, 2011 23:30:26 GMT -5
not only have i been using the wrong shampoo and conditioner, i've been using the wrong soap.  |
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Post by BlueJay on Jul 6, 2011 23:32:29 GMT -5
I don't think you can judge Andy as shallow when you don't know him in person. Remember you've heard Noel's viewpoint, not Andy's, and so you are basing your conclusion on fragments of evidence. I just did. I'll reeavaluate if he ever does something that shows character Have you checked out his work with Ride? Or his songs with BE? One small incident when he could have stepped in but wisely chose not to isn't going to take away from his great work and thus his great character to write the songs that he does. |
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Post by eva Fawkes on Jul 6, 2011 23:40:43 GMT -5
i'll say on record. and not speaking from the heart about shampoo and conditioner..........
i'd never heard of Andy Bell( we actually share the same laast name) and Gem if it weren't for Oasis, maybe in passing but not really. they should cash in whilst possible. for christ sake i could be them and at least be more entertaining.
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Post by Silence Dogood on Jul 6, 2011 23:50:00 GMT -5
Why is eveyone so intent on blaming Andy Bell. I know that Noel felt betrayed by him. But really...his role was fairly minor compared to the roles of Noel and Liam in the break. Is it just because he just learned about Andy's role? gd, you were one of the very first to put the full blame on Andy! Change of mind? no.... lol obvious closet fanboy move there by gdforever. throw the first stone then hide the hand once people start to realize the nonsense you're spewing. |
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Post by eva Fawkes on Jul 7, 2011 0:01:37 GMT -5
gd, you were one of the very first to put the full blame on Andy! Change of mind? no.... lol obvious closet fanboy move there by gdforever. throw the first stone then hide the hand once people start to realize the nonsense you're spewing. calm down. Noel's press conference was great, i didn't get into like some of you fags but it was interesting. it was great how he did call out Andy Bell, 'counting your shoes.......?' come on, it is what it is. BDI's BDI. Noel's Noel. live life. have fun. p.s soory for the spelling errors. God bless. |
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Post by Rifles on Jul 7, 2011 0:12:00 GMT -5
You drunk?
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gd, you were one of the very first to put the full blame on Andy! Change of mind?
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