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Post by gdforever on May 17, 2011 21:18:46 GMT -5
I love FD. And I'm not alone. Fair enough if you don't. Your aren't alone either.
The fact is...Noel's album isn't necessarily going appeal to you.
I am just hoping that it isn't gonna be more of the mediocrity of BDI. I want something that I really can listen to again and again and discover something new about the song every time. I can do that with Noel's songs...BDI's were a bit flat in comparison. A bit like Liam really...you get what you see, no more. It's not a grower IMO because their isn't anything new to discover on the repeat listens. It is what it is.
I hope Noel does something a bit more sophisticated.
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Post by andytr on May 18, 2011 4:45:00 GMT -5
I'm expecting the album to be a mix of these 4 songs: TIOBI, POTQ, FD and WFTR alternative version. I know I along with a good portion of the Oasis fanbase will be extremely disappointed if that's the route he decides to go. Yes, when i think about it, he's just not capable of delivering a song(at lest not vocally) like SCYHO or even Lyla(for those who like that song) but he could do something like Step Out or Going Nowhere or something like that... I mean, the reason why we all think his album will be good, and some even think "it'll be a classic/masterpiece", is because he has written songs like Live Forever and Don't Look Back in Anger, not because he wrote fucking "Falling Down". come on now.... Is that song terrible? No, obviously not, but is it a great song? i don't think so either. If what you guys want is a bunch of Falling Down type songs with a pinch of POTQ and WFTR, you're asking for mediocrity BY NOEL's STANDARDS. I don't want stuff he could've as easily released with Oasis, if he went solo it's for a reason(and now don't bring up that he-couldn-keep-working-with-liam bullshit). Bring your A game or stay at home. well i must be in the minority of oasis fans cos if we get an album full of songs as good as tiobi, falling down, and wftr i will be more than happy! think these are 3 really good songs. fair enough about potq, never bin a fan of that- just album cannon fodder! everyone keeps going on about noel cant sing this or that, but remember the guy sang dont look back in anger and the masterplan which are 2 of oasis' finest songs! im expecting (hoping for) a much better album than bdi, with some proper classic tunes on. i know bdi were trying to express energy in their music and stuff but i think they rushed the album a little. the music isnt bad but the lyrics are shite. i reckon bdi's next album will be much better than the first. |
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Post by tomlivesforever on May 18, 2011 5:30:32 GMT -5
I love FD. And I'm not alone. Fair enough if you don't. Your aren't alone either. The fact is...Noel's album isn't necessarily going appeal to you. I am just hoping that it isn't gonna be more of the mediocrity of BDI. I want something that I really can listen to again and again and discover something new about the song every time. I can do that with Noel's songs...BDI's were a bit flat in comparison. A bit like Liam really...you get what you see, no more. It's not a grower IMO because their isn't anything new to discover on the repeat listens. It is what it is. I hope Noel does something a bit more sophisticated. Think thats pretty unfair on Liam tbh, he's far more of a mystery than Noel. I think you get what you see with him. Liams rockstar persona is so ingrained its pretty difficult to imagine what he is like away from the camera's. |
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Post by Silence Dogood on May 18, 2011 5:46:46 GMT -5
I know I along with a good portion of the Oasis fanbase will be extremely disappointed if that's the route he decides to go. Yes, when i think about it, he's just not capable of delivering a song(at lest not vocally) like SCYHO or even Lyla(for those who like that song) but he could do something like Step Out or Going Nowhere or something like that... I mean, the reason why we all think his album will be good, and some even think "it'll be a classic/masterpiece", is because he has written songs like Live Forever and Don't Look Back in Anger, not because he wrote fucking "Falling Down". come on now.... Is that song terrible? No, obviously not, but is it a great song? i don't think so either. If what you guys want is a bunch of Falling Down type songs with a pinch of POTQ and WFTR, you're asking for mediocrity BY NOEL's STANDARDS. I don't want stuff he could've as easily released with Oasis, if he went solo it's for a reason(and now don't bring up that he-couldn-keep-working-with-liam bullshit). Bring your A game or stay at home. well i must be in the minority of oasis fans cos if we get an album full of songs as good as tiobi, falling down, and wftr i will be more than happy! think these are 3 really good songs. fair enough about potq, never bin a fan of that- just album cannon fodder! everyone keeps going on about noel cant sing this or that, but remember the guy sang dont look back in anger and the masterplan which are 2 of oasis' finest songs! im expecting (hoping for) a much better album than bdi, with some proper classic tunes on. i know bdi were trying to express energy in their music and stuff but i think they rushed the album a little. the music isnt bad but the lyrics are shite. i reckon bdi's next album will be much better than the first. i said a good portion, i didn't say the majority |
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Post by GIMH on May 18, 2011 6:46:31 GMT -5
I'd like to see Record Machine on there, because of all the unreleased songs I've heard it's easily the best (IMO) and it's a shame the bulk of Oasis fans and the rest of the world have never heard it. Other than that, really don't know what to expect, hopefully not a heap of stuff in the Swollen Hand Blue/Sitting Here In Silence On My Own vein though  |
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Post by gdforever on May 18, 2011 10:13:53 GMT -5
I love FD. And I'm not alone. Fair enough if you don't. Your aren't alone either. The fact is...Noel's album isn't necessarily going appeal to you. I am just hoping that it isn't gonna be more of the mediocrity of BDI. I want something that I really can listen to again and again and discover something new about the song every time. I can do that with Noel's songs...BDI's were a bit flat in comparison. A bit like Liam really...you get what you see, no more. It's not a grower IMO because their isn't anything new to discover on the repeat listens. It is what it is. I hope Noel does something a bit more sophisticated. Think thats pretty unfair on Liam tbh, he's far more of a mystery than Noel. I think you get what you see with him. Liams rockstar persona is so ingrained its pretty difficult to imagine what he is like away from the camera's. fair enough if you think his public is more interesting than I do. But my point stands that his music doesn't really grow or evolve with repeat listens for me. |
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Post by tomlivesforever on May 18, 2011 10:28:07 GMT -5
Think thats pretty unfair on Liam tbh, he's far more of a mystery than Noel. I think you get what you see with him. Liams rockstar persona is so ingrained its pretty difficult to imagine what he is like away from the camera's. fair enough if you think his public is more interesting than I do. But my point stands that his music doesn't really grow or evolve with repeat listens for me. Didn't say it was interesting, I just meant when you put it on as much as Liam does there is more questions about what he's like away from that. Yeah well of course YOUR point will always stand in relation to YOU. Man alive. |
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Post by spaneli on May 18, 2011 11:08:47 GMT -5
I completely disagree with lgfaver. My high expectation haven't come because of what Noel wrote in the classic years, but because of what he has written recently.
DBTT and DOYS are definitely albums in which Noel was writing much better, and finding his confidence. Falling Down is a great song. The arrangements on that song are brilliant. I don't consider it flat. It had a great groove, with a classic drum line on it. Also disagree that TSOTL isn't good and that Liam saves it. I can only speak for what I hear. But out of all the songs from DOYS that I've played on guitar, TSOTL actually has the best melody, and it's not even close really. TIOBI is another track that gives me confidence. That track was literally made by Noel. He wrote it, produced it, and sang on it. Has a distinct sound, stands up with some his best stuff in my opinion, and has one of his best vocals ever on it. Don't know how much more you can ask from a track.
Now for my expectations. I fully expect this album to be a solid 9/10. Not perfect, or extremely brilliant (which would be 9.5 or a 10/10), but a very very very very good album. I expect it to be better than the 7.5/10 that I gave DGSS. Which was really filled with "minute and half songs", or songs that didn't grow after the first minute and half.
I agree with GDForver, that it is a bit close minded to keep looking back at what Noel has done recently, and say that that is the style which he will take. I don't know what style he will take, and that is what excites me the most. Whatever Noel does, I'm sure I'll like. I don't care if he goes "experimental" or not. Though if he goes with the same old Oasis format, then I'll be extremely disappointed. But in the end, I guess I just Noel to make the album that he wants. If he want to go with the regular Oasis format, then okay. I'll be disappointed, but if that's what he truly wants, then that's what he truly wants. If he wants to go "experimental", then he should go experimental. This is the album that he's always wanted to make, so he shouldn't cave into what other people want it to be. He should do what he wants.
In the end, I really can't fathom Noel writing a bad album. He will write a really good album. The only question is, "how good is really good?"
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Post by matt on May 18, 2011 12:00:15 GMT -5
Folk saying Noel can't sing are being ridiculous. He's got a great voice, and it was the main reason I got into Oasis in the first place. It showed me Oasis weren't all abrasive but actually quite sensitive at times, and this mainly came through Noel sung songs.
I was watching a documentary 'Morning Glory - Classic Album Under Review' and one of the contributors in the film claimed Don't Look Back In Anger as the best song on the album, citing Noel's vocals as the main reason.
He claimed that he was thinking about his favourite Oasis songs and they were Half The World Away, Where Did It All Go Wrong, The Masterplan, etc, and suddenly realised all his favourite ones were Noel's. He, like many others, claim that there seems to be more of a connection when Noel sings his own songs - look at the documentary on MTV Unplugged and someone says the same thing.
Listening to an album full of Noel singing would be a joy personally.
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Post by gdforever on May 18, 2011 12:18:06 GMT -5
^ The connection thing is a good point. Especially live you really do feel that connection between Noel and his music. Through all the acoustic shows and his times to sing on stage with oasis there is something special about Noel singing his own words. There is an emotional connection to the material that comes through that's a joy to watch and listen to. Noel love his music and it shows and it's special.
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Post by BEng on May 18, 2011 12:42:01 GMT -5
Folk saying Noel can't sing are being ridiculous. He's got a great voice, and it was the main reason I got into Oasis in the first place. It showed me Oasis weren't all abrasive but actually quite sensitive at times, and this mainly came through Noel sung songs. I was watching a documentary 'Morning Glory - Classic Album Under Review' and one of the contributors in the film claimed Don't Look Back In Anger as the best song on the album, citing Noel's vocals as the main reason. He claimed that he was thinking about his favourite Oasis songs and they were Half The World Away, Where Did It All Go Wrong, The Masterplan, etc, and suddenly realised all his favourite ones were Noel's. He, like many others, claim that there seems to be more of a connection when Noel sings his own songs - look at the documentary on MTV Unplugged and someone says the same thing. Listening to an album full of Noel singing would be a joy personally. Lol I also watched that docu on youtube yesterday..  Some good stuff in there... |
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Post by Leezy on May 18, 2011 14:27:42 GMT -5
If its true about 'Future Sound Of London' producing I'm really curious to hear how its gonna sound. When I picture Noel on his own I see a lot of deep thoughtful acoustic sorta tracks, maybe even similar to Richard Ashcroft or something, I'm not saying the album won't have any 'rockers', I'm sure it will, I just picture a of 'personal' sorta songs, with a touch of Alternative/Electronic backbone to them...
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Post by Silence Dogood on May 18, 2011 18:32:27 GMT -5
Whatever Noel does, I'm sure I'll like. well there you go, your whole 500 word post can be summarized by that sentence alone. I don't think like that. I think Noel has proven he can write masterpiece albums and he can even produce and sing all time great songs(without the need of Liam's vocals) but... i don't know if at this stage of his career he'll be able to come up with a whole album in which he'll be the only vocalist in every song, that album being a 9/10 . I just don't know if he can do it anymore because let's face it, he hasn't done so with Oasis in over a decade. All in all it is all about personal preference/taste. Some people will be satisfied with what i consider pedestrian-Noel-by-the-numbers(TSOTL/FD/POTQ/WFTR). For me, to consider this album a great one, it has to be able to deliver the goods, and by that i mean a Live Forever, at least a Stand By Me or a Listen Up/Going Nowhere types of songs. After all, that's what we were judging BDI up against, Oasis' best albums, which is why you(Spaneli) gave it like a 7/10. I think it's only fair and logical that we do the same with Noel's album. And let's not even think about what would happen if Noel ended up including songs of the caliber of High Horse Lady or Mucky Fingers ... hey, did it with Oasis, what's to stop him from doing so with his solo album? He obviously thought those were great songs and he couldn't have been more wrong. Let's see what happens, all we can do is hope for the best album Noel can put forward . |
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Post by Headmaster on May 18, 2011 19:13:04 GMT -5
what i consider pedestrian-Noel-by-the-numbers(TSOTL/FD/POTQ/WFTR). So, do you consider POTQ and FD Noel by numbers?!?! I don't even want to know how is your opnion about LBL. |
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Post by rick88 on May 18, 2011 20:45:22 GMT -5
I think it's pretty pointless to compare him to his older stuff. It's a completely different format. Particularly hoping for the in your face rock numbers of his early career. Just not going to happen on a solo album imo. If he had those sort of tunes then he'd have released them with Oasis. The reason he's putting out a solo record is because the material is different (and possibly because he was bored of making Oasis records). Personally that's what excites me about it. It's something new.
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Post by mkoasis on May 18, 2011 21:32:48 GMT -5
Whatever he puts out, I'm sure I willl like it.
The only release I haven't liked has been the AA remix of FD. I appreicate it for what it is, but I don't enjoy much at all.
I agree about Noel's 2005-2008 songwriting. More please! I'd also love to see more of his Bacharach side. I've been waiting for more tunes like Going Nowhere and This Guy's In Love With You.
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Post by Silence Dogood on May 19, 2011 1:48:16 GMT -5
what i consider pedestrian-Noel-by-the-numbers(TSOTL/FD/POTQ/WFTR). So, do you consider POTQ and FD Noel by numbers?!?! I don't even want to know how is your opnion about LBL. lol not noel by numbers, "Pedestrian Noel by the numbers". Keyword being PEDESTRIAN. It's obviously not bad but it's not Noel's best either. Hopefully you understand what im saying better now. As for Little By Little, i think it's a good song, not great imo. and yes i do like it(as opposed to some of the more recent Noel songs). |
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Post by tomlivesforever on May 19, 2011 4:22:05 GMT -5
what i consider pedestrian-Noel-by-the-numbers(TSOTL/FD/POTQ/WFTR). So, do you consider POTQ and FD Noel by numbers?!?! I don't even want to know how is your opnion about LBL. Its a horrific attempt at former glories, and i thought that at the time. |
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2011 8:10:17 GMT -5
the album will probably split this forum right down the middle. half will love it, half will hate it.
id like to think the album will be varied and contain elements of ballads,rockers,psychedelia, but who knows. defo the most intriguing album we're ever likely to speculate upon.
the build up is going to get very very exciting!!!
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Post by johnnyb on May 19, 2011 9:27:45 GMT -5
Is anyone else getting bored / frustrated with the recent dry spell of any kind of news in the last few weeks?
I was loving the tweets from other bands hearing Noel in the studio, then the video of him etc
we need any other kind of news soon, preferably official
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Post by paranoidandroid on May 19, 2011 9:44:43 GMT -5
Yes official news please, no more 'my mate's next door neighbour's friend's dog owner's wife met Noel's next door neighbours's friend's postman in a cupboard the other day and he said his album will be done at some point within the next 37 years'
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Post by andytr on May 19, 2011 10:14:01 GMT -5
Yes official news please, no more 'my mate's next door neighbour's friend's dog owner's wife met Noel's next door neighbours's friend's postman in a cupboard the other day and he said his album will be done at some point within the next 37 years' i heard that too!! |
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Post by thuperthonic on May 19, 2011 10:38:58 GMT -5
Yes official news please, no more 'my mate's next door neighbour's friend's dog owner's wife met Noel's next door neighbours's friend's postman in a cupboard the other day and he said his album will be done at some point within the next 37 years' Wait, is this true?  |
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Post by paranoidandroid on May 19, 2011 10:39:31 GMT -5
of course it's true!
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Post by matt on May 19, 2011 11:23:52 GMT -5
I'm hoping it's a really melancholic album.
All his best songs are the ones with that melancholic feel to it - Listen Up, The Masterplan, Rockin Chair, etc.
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