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Post by Bonehead's Barber on May 14, 2011 3:10:07 GMT -5
OK so I think it is pretty much common knowledge now that Noel has an album coming out. What are you expecting from it? Alan McGee has said that some of his demo's are better than Wonderwall, and if rumours are true then STC + IWLIADIMRM are on the album which, we know, are wicked songs. The quality of his songs seemed to elevate on the last few albums (DBTT + DOYS) compared to that quality on BHN SOTSOG and HC so can we expect 10 - 12 quality tracks? I think we will shear a brilliant album, one that ranks above several Oasis albums.
What about you lovely people?
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Post by KeepOnNoeling on May 14, 2011 4:34:11 GMT -5
I think the album will be brilliant, but I don't think we'll hear any old songs like STC or RM, if we're lucky we'll one or two of the soundcheck songs. Saying that, I hope I'm wrong.
I'll have to disagree about DOYS, it's my least favourite album and I hope Noel's solo songs are better than his on DOYS. There are some good songs on it, but I just don't like them as much. Each to their own I guess.
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Post by bonkers on May 14, 2011 4:40:11 GMT -5
not seen any rumours about STC or IWLIADIMRM and hope neither are on there
i would not be surprised if 'Slow' appeared though
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Post by Teotihuacan on May 14, 2011 5:09:40 GMT -5
I'm ambivalent about whether the soundcheck songs should be included. It could be LTBL all over again where the unvarnished demo / rough version was full of energy and the studio version turn out to be lacking in comparison. The fact that we've had years to listen to the demos detracts when the studio version comes out.
I'd probably be happy if the album contains a full version of 'Forgive me if i spoke too soon' since we only have under 2 minutes of it, and I've been obsessed with this tune every day since I first heard it.
A bit of experimentation and diversity in the sounds and production is a must, I would've thought. If it turns out just to be a load of mid-paced trad rock with no surprises, I will be disappointed. A few tracks remixed by Amorphous Androgynous like the Monstrous mix of Falling Down would fit the bill nicely.
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Post by KeepOnNoeling on May 14, 2011 6:19:33 GMT -5
I'd probably be happy if the album contains a full version of 'Forgive me if i spoke too soon' since we only have under 2 minutes of it, and I've been obsessed with this tune every day since I first heard it. Yes, out of the soundcheck songs, this is only one I really want to hear. That and maybe 'If there's a god' but I doubt we'll hear that one as it's quite old. But you never know, a lot of these songs were kept back because Noel didn't think they were right for Oasis albums. So we might be lucky. |
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Post by space75gr on May 14, 2011 6:52:04 GMT -5
a really great and special album with (quite) bad vocals.
how many songs can you hear in a row with Noel singing?
c mon...
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Post by Bring It On Dan on May 14, 2011 6:58:04 GMT -5
What's wrong with you? Noel's voice since 2002 has been leagues ahead of Liam's.
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Post by gdforever on May 14, 2011 9:19:39 GMT -5
Noels voice isn't as good as Liam's in tonal quality. But he can do things with his voice effortlessly that Liam can't/won't. Like dynamics, falsetto, much better range.
Liam has better tone but Noel is has far from a BAD voice.
I personally don't care if any of the songs we have previously heard snatchs of or demos of are on there. If fact I kind of hope they aren't, despite liking some of them quite a bit. I really hope STC isn't on there, it's dreary IMO. I'd like it if all the songs on the album were new to me the first time I heard them. Although it'd be cool if some of the soundcheck songs appeared as b-sides.
I am doing my best to moderate my expectations for this album. I think it will be a really good album. I fluctuate every day on what route he is gonna take with it's production and the kind of songs they'll be.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2011 9:38:27 GMT -5
The least of our worries should be about Noel's voice. He will take great care and effort to make sure he drops some classic vocals on this album. The issue is whether or not the album has a good variety of songs or not. Nobody wants a dry, acoustic album out of Noel. He needs to let it all hang out a couple of times in order to break the monotony of his fabulous slower tunes.
Personally, I feel that Noel will release an album of pure quality, similar to things like Lennon and Macca solo debuts. Expectations should be high, after all, Noel is possibly the greatest song writer of the last 20 years!
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Post by KeepOnNoeling on May 14, 2011 9:46:43 GMT -5
Noel is possibly the greatest song writer of the last 20 years! Noel IS the greatest song writer of the last 20 years' |
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Post by Lester on May 14, 2011 18:19:06 GMT -5
My expectations are pretty high. McGee said it's awesome, and Noel on his own is something completely new. I wouldn't be surprised if he actually played all the instruments on the studio tracks. He did it on SOTSOG, and he has said in the past that he considers himself as a better drummer than guitarist.
This possibility actually excites me the most. Funny how the bass was awfully quiet and generally in the background in the first three albums, and it was very prominent on SOTSOG. Probably because he played it and therefore focused not only on the guitar. Take Go Let It Out or Who Feels Love as examples. That's why I think we can expect more melody now than in his other work, where most of the instruments are shoved under the carpet for the sake of guitars and vocals.
Also, inb4 beadyeyeunofficial saying it's gonna be shite.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2011 19:16:00 GMT -5
It's great McGee says it's awesome, but the man has been off his rocker for a while. I don't doubt Noel, but McGee's judgement has been pretty off as of late.
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Post by matt on May 14, 2011 21:41:55 GMT -5
It's great McGee says it's awesome, but the man has been off his rocker for a while. I don't doubt Noel, but McGee's judgement has been pretty off as of late. That's true. When Oasis broke up he said it paved the way for Glasvegas to become the biggest band in the world. Oasis were nowhere near the biggest band in the world in 2002, and expecting Glasvegas to become the biggest act on the planet - come on, how can you take it seriously. Oh, and he said Dig Out Your Soul was the equivalent, if not better, than Revolver and Beggars's Banquet. |
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Post by Silence Dogood on May 14, 2011 22:15:21 GMT -5
well.... my expectations aren't exactly out of the park like some other users here but i do expect the album to be very very solid. Whether RM and STC will be on the album or not, who knows but i would prefer they weren't. Those 2 songs really do nothing for me, then again we've only heard the demo versions. still.... some of the people on here think they're "masterpieces".
Noel is a great songwriter, we all know that but unlike what has been said on this very thread i don't agree that his songwriting has gotten better in the last 2 albums. maybe more consisten... MAYBE, im not even sure about that. I didn't really love his stuff in DOYS, WFTR is great but TSOTL... let's face it, Liam's voice saves that song and makes it a good tune, the lyrics are ridiculous.
Maybe Noel didn't have that many great songs in albums like Heathen Chemistry but hey! at least we can all agree that he had that one awesome song(SCYHO). Imo that was his last all time great song. He hasn't written anything as good ever since. Some might say "oh! what about Falling Down?" i would answer, lyrically is very solid i guess, but the song has no melody, not a good one anyways. I think this album-as any other album would-- will make some people happy, it will please some and it will disappoint some others.
I think Noel is like a great boxer, he has one more great fight in him, it's up to him to come out and show us he still got it.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on May 14, 2011 22:52:49 GMT -5
I fear Noel will go way too experimental. His recent love for AA really bothers me. Don't get me wrong, I don't think it will be bad per sey if he goes that route, but I don't think it will warrant repeated listens from me. It's just not my cup of tea.
Frankly, I want Noel to remain Oasis-like. He's progressed though since the 1990s. While I'd prefer tunes in the vein of DLBIA and even the more recent WPTWOMS, it's just not going to happen. I would be more than happy with songs in the vein of POTQ, TIOBI, FD, WFTR, etc.
Realistically, nothing Noel will produce will be shit. It just wont be. The man has developed so much over the years, he knows what he is doing, and he has had this concept in mind for several years. He also wouldn't compromise (and eventually end) Oasis for a project he was unsure of.
Whether or not it's a commercial appeal, or something I personally will like is up in the air. Even if he does go the AA way, it will be a very good album objectively speaking.
He's way too talented for this to be a failure. But he shines when he writes personable anthems or ballads. He has a way with words that I believe would get lost if he tries something too radical. I think if he goes too experimental it will detract from what he's good at. I long for another POTQ, though - that's one of my highlights off of DBTT. Noel at his finest.
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Post by Rifles on May 14, 2011 23:21:18 GMT -5
at least we can all agree that he had that one awesome song(SCYHO). Imo that was his last all time great song. He hasn't written anything as good ever since. I would argue TIOBI is another GREAT song that followed SCYHO. TIOBI is fantastic in every way. Great melody, great structure, awesome vocal. Top notch tune that one. It's hard to answer with realistic expectations when we don't really have a clue which direction he's going. We've heard AA are helping produce the album but that doesn't necessarily mean he's going all space experimental. He may have just brought them in to add an extra element to the sound, not totally rework it. We just don't know. I HOPE its SOTSOG-esque but a little less dreary. If it sounds anything like SOTSOG from a production standpoint I will instantly wet myself. It will be a mixture of joyful-urine and semen and I will need to shower shortly after. |
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Post by Silence Dogood on May 15, 2011 0:25:23 GMT -5
I fear Noel will go way too experimental. His recent love for AA really bothers me. Don't get me wrong, I don't think it will be bad per sey if he goes that route, but I don't think it will warrant repeated listens from me. It's just not my cup of tea. Frankly, I want Noel to remain Oasis-like. He's progressed though since the 1990s. While I'd prefer tunes in the vein of DLBIA and even the more recent WPTWOMS, it's just not going to happen. I would be more than happy with songs in the vein of POTQ, TIOBI, FD, WFTR, etc. Realistically, nothing Noel will produce will be shit. It just wont be. The man has developed so much over the years, he knows what he is doing, and he has had this concept in mind for several years. He also wouldn't compromise (and eventually end) Oasis for a project he was unsure of. Whether or not it's a commercial appeal, or something I personally will like is up in the air. Even if he does go the AA way, it will be a very good album objectively speaking. He's way too talented for this to be a failure. But he shines when he writes personable anthems or ballads. He has a way with words that I believe would get lost if he tries something too radical. I think if he goes too experimental it will detract from what he's good at. I long for another POTQ, though - that's one of my highlights off of DBTT. Noel at his finest. I agree with a lot of what you said, but see, this is where out outlook on things differ.... POTQ is a good song, but it's nothing special imo. You consider it a "highlight of DBTT", i on the other hand, think the LAG contributions were better than Noel's. With the exception, of course, of LTBL. Now, that is not to say Liam or Andy or Gem are better songwriters than Noel, that's just not the case but in that album, i liked their songs more. KDTA shits all over Lyla, GGTIA and TUTS are way better POTQ imo. Yes, Noel did come up with TIOBI but that'such a unique song.... i mean, is it commercial? sure, maybe in England but i just don't know... It really doesn't have a global mass appeal. WFTR is a cool tune, probably my favorite off the last album but seriously, you'd be happy with those kinds of tunes? i sure as hell wouldn't. I am not saying i want a 11 Listen Ups or Hellos but THAT IS what would impress me. Will I be satisfied with a mix of Step Outs and HTWA ? sure, i'm just very doubtful that is what we'll actually get. I just think we're more likely to get an album full of Falling Downs(god i hope im dead wrong), with some Importance of Being Idles and a pinch of Little by Little for good measure. now THAT will not impress me, and it will certainly not be good enough... especially when it's Noel we're talking about. Does that mean the album would be bad? No, not by any stretch of the imagination, the songs i just mentioned are good but if we're talking about expectations and what the album would have to have in order to be great, then that would not be up to par with Noel's best stuff. |
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Post by gdforever on May 15, 2011 0:48:18 GMT -5
What is with this lazy thinking that Noel will only do a mixture of what we have already heard him do?
Before FD he'd never written anything like that. TIOBI doesn't sound anything like the rest of the catalogue. IMO Noel has been doing things that are new for him on the past couple albums like he should have been doing all along. He was doing new things on SOTSOG and then retreated back in the box of "Oasis-by-numbers" for HC. Maybe he thought that giving the fans what they wanted would win them back and it backfired. But he learned the error of his ways and started writing for himself again by DBTT again. Maybe not to everyone's taste...but it was to mine. I also think TIOBI is amazing and really like POTQ (if Noels album has album tracks of the quality of POTQ I'll be overjoyed)
The fact is that if you look at Noel 2005-2008 independently of the Noel from previously it's very difficult to judge where he is going. And then add in his apparently reawakened passion for interesting production, after the bland production of HC and the uninspired production on DBTT we got the more interestingly produced DOYS and now AA's involvement...which can only mean that Noel is not looking for boring or basic production.
In a pure songwriting perspective...it is possible that, despite Noel showing new sides of his songwriting on the past 2 albums, he has now reached his limit and has nothing new to offer but just rehashs of what he has previously done...but I don't believe that.
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Post by shoofee on May 17, 2011 15:53:56 GMT -5
I think POTQ and Falling Down are the two best Noel songs since MG. Ballad-wise, I'd throw the Rapture alternate version right in that mix. Noel's songs were my clear favorites of the last 2 Oasis albums, pretty much by large margins bar The Turning.
I hope its very forward looking. "Experimental" is not the word to use with Noel. He's not Thom Yorke. It will still be straight forward enough (i.e. in the vein of Falling Down, which is just different in terms of arrangement) if he goes that route. I want it to be current, but with a classic feel, which is hard to pull off.
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Post by bwilder on May 17, 2011 16:01:01 GMT -5
I'm expecting a great album with fantastic melodies and I won't be disappointed.
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Post by Headmaster on May 17, 2011 16:20:42 GMT -5
I'm expecting the album to be a mix of these 4 songs: TIOBI, POTQ, FD and WFTR alternative version.
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Post by thuperthonic on May 17, 2011 17:00:24 GMT -5
That would suck cos we already have those.
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Post by alwaysnow on May 17, 2011 17:45:58 GMT -5
I don't know why, it's just speculation, but when I try to picture how will Noel's solo album sound, I imagine something like this:
And also songs like this:
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Post by Silence Dogood on May 17, 2011 19:19:33 GMT -5
I'm expecting the album to be a mix of these 4 songs: TIOBI, POTQ, FD and WFTR alternative version. I know I along with a good portion of the Oasis fanbase will be extremely disappointed if that's the route he decides to go. Yes, when i think about it, he's just not capable of delivering a song(at lest not vocally) like SCYHO or even Lyla(for those who like that song) but he could do something like Step Out or Going Nowhere or something like that... I mean, the reason why we all think his album will be good, and some even think "it'll be a classic/masterpiece", is because he has written songs like Live Forever and Don't Look Back in Anger, not because he wrote fucking "Falling Down". come on now.... Is that song terrible? No, obviously not, but is it a great song? i don't think so either. If what you guys want is a bunch of Falling Down type songs with a pinch of POTQ and WFTR, you're asking for mediocrity BY NOEL's STANDARDS. I don't want stuff he could've as easily released with Oasis, if he went solo it's for a reason(and now don't bring up that he-couldn-keep-working-with-liam bullshit). Bring your A game or stay at home. |
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Post by worldsoutro on May 17, 2011 19:41:30 GMT -5
All I know is it cant be as bad as Beady Eye
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