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Post by GIMH on May 11, 2011 16:39:38 GMT -5
You didn't get the oasis ones? I certainly didn't, I don't know why anyone would want to pay for a single that they more than likely already own. Singles are dead. They are certainly dead now. But in the early days of oasis, they weren't. Up until DOYS, oasis singles were always exciting as you knew you were going to get a new song or two - or for the first few years maybe even three new tunes - in addition to the single.
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Post by GIMH on May 11, 2011 16:43:52 GMT -5
You didn't get the oasis ones? No, I was to young to realise what 'Oasis' even was back then And by the time I got into the band all I wanted was all their albums, but even that took me a while as I'm the typical always-pretty-broke student And little note: the first Oasis-relating thing I bought was the 'The Dreams We Have As Children' CD of ebay Fair enough - I forget that some people aren't as old and set in their ways as me and discovered them only recently. In some ways I am a bit jealous, knowing how I felt getting hit with all The Beatles music at once - would have been pretty cool having that happen with oasis. At the same time it was really cool seeing it all unfold so yeah, don't really know what I'm saying. Anyhow, I trust you have caught up in these Internet days with what songs you might have missed out on through not being on the albums but on the offchance you do need any reocmmendations or whatever then feel free to PM me. Talking oasis b-sides is my favourite topic of conversation tbh.
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Post by yeayeayeah on May 11, 2011 18:39:18 GMT -5
its good that oasis split, it nice for them to have good placing single(even though the last two only got to 12 and 10). In this current climate I doubt even Oasis could have kept getting top tens, never-mind top fives.
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Post by GIMH on May 12, 2011 6:53:55 GMT -5
I dunno, I reckon oasis fans would have kept buying the singles if they'd put actual b-sides on there. It's no coincidence that when they gave us just one new b-side, the result was poorly performing singles.
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Post by Leezy on May 12, 2011 7:17:41 GMT -5
FUCK SINGLES! The only way to save the singles charts these days (unless you're making kid pleasing shitty dancy/rnb music), is to go back to how it was in the 60s when bands like The Beatles actually WROTE SONGS TO BE STANDALONE SINGLES (ie Day Tripper, Ticket To Ride, Rain etc), rather than just selecting a few tracks off an album every fucker has already heard. Hopefully, it will make people feel like if they buy the singles then they're getting something new rather than just tracks that they already have on the albums. Bands really do die on their arses when it comes to the singles charts these days, fair enough in the 90s we had plenty of B-Sides to go with the singles so it made it worth buying them. But these days hardly anyone bothers with B-Sides, all you get is a few really shitty remixes that no one gives a fuck about...
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Post by gdforever on May 12, 2011 13:03:41 GMT -5
Liam made a comment during the promo not the album about BDI doing a stand alone singles
Be great if they put one out while we wait for them to write the second album.
It'd be a happy media for those of us that want them to spend more time on their next album and do it properly and those that just want music quickly.
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Post by songbirdsally on May 12, 2011 13:06:01 GMT -5
^ I don't think they'll do that 'cause they want the next album out as soon as possible, so they'll probably not 'waste' a tune as a stand alone single. It would be great though
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Post by gdforever on May 12, 2011 13:12:49 GMT -5
And the fact that people would view a great single as a waste is the reason that singles are dead.
Noel once said that the plan for Oasis was a single every 3 months until the pressures started to swamp them.
BDI are operating on a much smaller scale. They could follow through on a plan like that.
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Post by deadman on May 12, 2011 13:20:57 GMT -5
Oasis chart positions for years were artificially boosted by fans buying a CD single to get the b-sides. Two things changed. 1) A reduction in b-sides 2) Download charts music meaning you could buy the b-side without buying the main single.
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Post by Leezy on May 12, 2011 13:23:00 GMT -5
After thinking about it a bit more, maybe they (and everyone else) should do something like this...
2 singles containing album tracks (purely to promote the album, but release them just prior to the album coming out), or maybe even just 1 single... Then... 2 'stand-alone' singles that don't feature on the album, have to be worthwhile tracks. Who knows either albums will get shitter or it'll encourage more bands to write better songs...
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Post by gdforever on May 12, 2011 13:28:35 GMT -5
Oasis chart positions for years were artificially boosted by fans buying a CD single to get the b-sides. Two things changed. 1) A reduction in b-sides 2) Download charts music meaning you could buy the b-side without buying the main single. People buying singles for b-sides doesn't seem artificial to me.
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Post by GIMH on May 12, 2011 14:33:36 GMT -5
No but I think what he means is it's not the single itself they are buying, so that song's position is artificial, if you will.
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Post by gdforever on May 12, 2011 17:27:33 GMT -5
No but I think what he means is it's not the single itself they are buying, so that song's position is artificial, if you will. Not really, IMO. What they were selling was a singles EP, correct? Hence, the b-sides are as much part of the EP as the title track. And b-sides aren't a new creation to artificially raise sales. B-sides are an institution of rock genre. It's not Oasis' fault that some artists decided to forgo b-sides and just repackage a single song with new artwork with no unique material. Everyone had the option to do what Oasis did. But now is a time when 90% of artists album tracks aren't worth buying so people will buy a single.
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Post by Nyron Nosworthy on May 12, 2011 17:49:30 GMT -5
I certainly didn't, I don't know why anyone would want to pay for a single that they more than likely already own. Singles are dead. They are certainly dead now. But in the early days of oasis, they weren't. Up until DOYS, oasis singles were always exciting as you knew you were going to get a new song or two - or for the first few years maybe even three new tunes - in addition to the single. True. I actually bought D'You Know What I Mean and thought I was the dogs bollocks for having Angel Child and Stay Young. But I was too young to buy the early singles and they were all a bit shit after that. No way was I paying for the privilege of Sitting Here In Silence On My Own for example.
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Post by Leezy on May 13, 2011 5:43:52 GMT -5
Funnily enough, the last ever CD single I brought was Let There Be Love, even back then you could see that singles were dying, less and less places were stocking up with them. Really hope to fuck that they don't do away with CD albums in favour of download only, be such a shame..
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Post by theelfoidtfs on May 28, 2011 22:27:05 GMT -5
I wonder if all of you who are insisting no one buys singles anymore would believe me when I tell you that the singles market is the most successful it has ever been. Ever. And it's the most dominant it's been since the 1950s.
Why? People hear a tune they like, and they'll buy it on iTunes. It's so convenient, and it's cheap enough that it doesn't feel like a REAL purchase, unlike an album. Why else? You can now hear most songs from an album and easily decide which ones you like....in the past a hit single could sell you an album, now a hit single just gets listeners investigating the other tracks and picking them for themselves.
Yes, the singles market is almost entirely a digital market whilst albums still sell in limited numbers in stores. But singles EASILY generate more revenue for most artists than their albums, particularly in a singles-orientated pop climate such as now. Now, rock bands tend to perform slightly better on the album front - as has been the case with Beady Eye - but all the same I don't buy that "no one buys singles anymore" argument for a moment. Singles are selling better than ever, just rock bands aren't selling theirs.
Another weird argument is "it didn't get enough promo". It's not that. It's that indie rock died off in early 2008 - as was innevitable after several years of market saturation. A handful of releases such as Dig Out Your Soul, Humbug and Tonight have performed reasonably in the album charts, but essentially the indie rock genre died. People will complain about how it's the end of the world, but hey: Britpop was big around 1993-1998, and indie rock was 2003-2008. Rock music'll be back soon enough.
Presently the only style of rock music to be flourishing is classic rock. Not just veteran acts, but the only contemporary artists amerging are predominantly US ones that play in the classic rock style - stuff like Alter Bridge, Black Stone Cherry, etc. It's no surprise that now has proven to be the time for The Darkness to reunite.
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Post by cloudburster on Jun 4, 2011 9:43:48 GMT -5
The drummer from arctic monkeys Matt Helders said that after humbug they were considering scrapping albums for a few years and just releasing double a-sides every 3 months or so. Obviously with their new album about to be released that didn't happen, but I think if rock/indie acts are going to retake an influence on the top 40 these days, that's the only way it could be done!
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Post by gdforever on Jun 4, 2011 10:45:46 GMT -5
I heard something about Radiohead maybe doing something like that as well. EP's instead of LP's
Personally I think it's a great idea. I think it'd be great to have your favorite bands to give small frequent infusions of music instead of the traditional LP.
Be a lot harder promo-wise though I suppose
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Post by R Kid from Denmark on Jun 4, 2011 15:08:26 GMT -5
I've actually heard Millionaire a few couple of times on the radio here in Denmark. Not that they play a lot of Beady Eye or Oasis on Danish radio for that matter.
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Post by songbird11 on Jun 8, 2011 18:45:13 GMT -5
I hope everyone's computer crashes & they lose all their tracks THEN cd singles will make a comeback :-) i bought every singles oasis cd single & album,same with beady eye im buying all the vinyls & downloading the 2 tracks from the official site.It's not like they're releasing 100 singles a year,it's not much & everyone gets paid at least once a month or every 2 weeks if you're on the dole..
too many shit artists & bands about right now clogging up the charts,the 90's will always be the best era in my opinion.
the best thing about d'ya know what i mean at the time was stay young .. ok im going slightly off topic but you dotn get that these days with any band or artist.
i think cd singles aren't available these days no more,think they ended earlier this year,i'd prefer to have cd singles than dl's .. oh well.
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Post by space75gr on Jun 9, 2011 4:02:52 GMT -5
"millionaire" is the kind of the tune that could comeback anytime in the charts (in an ideal world). it could be the main theme for a talent/football show , a summer tv spot , a morning tv programme whatever. in the download age you can never tell when a single is really dead
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