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Post by gdforever on Apr 16, 2011 12:36:35 GMT -5
What do you guys think Noel will do for his American label?
Do you think that he'll go the independent route like BDI? Or do you think he'll try and get major label backing for distribution?
Watching what is going on with BDI in America I find myself hoping that Noel gets a bigger record label with more connections/money to take care of him over there. Labels are useful for their connections. They'd be good for getting him on a late night show of some sort maybe, the right radio shows, music on TV, maybe even more tour dates (obviously still small venues)
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Post by Rifles on Apr 16, 2011 12:46:14 GMT -5
It's going to depend on the music whether a major label gets behind him or not. One thing he has going for him is his reputation in the industry. I think across the board people have a lot of respect for him. If the record sounds commercial, he could get a major label deal. If not, I wouldn't be surprised to see a fellow musician sign him to their label.
I don't expect to see Noel on any high profile shows. His album's not going to appeal to teenagers. We may see him on Conan if we're lucky, maybe Jimmy Fallon. Whoever has him on their show, I hope they interview him as well as have him play, because you can't go wrong with a Noel interview.
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Post by shoofee on Apr 16, 2011 12:54:17 GMT -5
He doesn't need a label except for distribution. Thats all Dangerbird is for Beady Eye. but Dangerbird has distribution via Fontana, which is a subsidiary of UMG (the biggest label in the world).
You're also giving major labels way too much credit. They're not responsible for tour dates as that falls to management and the booking agencies that run the venues. The only area a major label would help on is promotion and even there Noel alone will have less than Oasis did as he's not established as a solo artist. The same thing applies to Noel as it does to Beady Eye - neither are Oasis which is an established brand. The first solo album will not have much promotional backing in this country unless it explodes. Beady Eye has yet to set foot on this shore yet and I imagine there will be TV and radio once they get here in June. The KEXP thing is telling of Beady Eye's strategy. The promotional strategy will be cherry picked for the demographic. Some radio sessions, Id bet one or two national TV appearances. If he has a huge single, all bets are off.
My guess is Noel goes the same way Oasis did at the end. It'll be on Sour Mash or Big Brother (distributed by Sony) in the UK, with the album itself on an independent with major label distribution here. Just like Beady Eye.
Noel doesnt need a major label to sign him. He probably doesnt even want that as its too constricting. The days of "signing" to labels is all but dead anyway. Its all about distribution which Noel can get easily.
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Post by gdforever on Apr 16, 2011 13:05:03 GMT -5
It's going to depend on the music whether a major label gets behind him or not. One thing he has going for him is his reputation in the industry. I think across the board people have a lot of respect for him. If the record sounds commercial, he could get a major label deal. If not, I wouldn't be surprised to see a fellow musician sign him to their label. I don't expect to see Noel on any high profile shows. His album's not going to appeal to teenagers. We may see him on Conan if we're lucky, maybe Jimmy Fallon. Whoever has him on their show, I hope they interview him as well as have him play, because you can't go wrong with a Noel interview. Late Night Shows aren't generally targeted @ teens. Not highschoolers anyways. They target young adults generally. But ironically the 2 that you mentioned have the youngest viewership of the 5 major talk shows (not including The Daily Show or the Colbert Report) I think he has a good chance of an interview on Fallon if he does that. He's interviewed quite a few musical guests to my understanding. It'll be a painful interview to watch though. Noel will say something dry and sacrastic and Fallon will just laugh nervously for a couple minutes. I think that Craig Ferguson would be a great show for him to hit though. He had Bob Geldof on a couple weeks ago for a chat and song and it was pretty good. He has also had Steve Jones a couple times. Craig had actually been in bands as a drummer during punk when he was in his teens-20's. He seems to get on with musicians quite well. Oasis would have been after he left Britain...but I think they'd still have a bit to talk about. And @ least he could be relied upon not to drone on about Liam. |
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Post by gdforever on Apr 16, 2011 13:08:51 GMT -5
He doesn't need a label except for distribution. Thats all Dangerbird is for Beady Eye. but Dangerbird has distribution via Fontana, which is a subsidiary of UMG (the biggest label in the world). You're also giving major labels way too much credit. They're not responsible for tour dates as that falls to management and the booking agencies that run the venues. The only area a major label would help on is promotion and even there Noel alone will have less than Oasis did as he's not established as a solo artist. The same thing applies to Noel as it does to Beady Eye - neither are Oasis which is an established brand. The first solo album will not have much promotional backing in this country unless it explodes. Beady Eye has yet to set foot on this shore yet and I imagine there will be TV and radio once they get here in June. The KEXP thing is telling of Beady Eye's strategy. The promotional strategy will be cherry picked for the demographic. Some radio sessions, Id bet one or two national TV appearances. If he has a huge single, all bets are off. My guess is Noel goes the same way Oasis did at the end. It'll be on Sour Mash or Big Brother (distributed by Sony) in the UK, with the album itself on an independent with major label distribution here. Just like Beady Eye. Noel doesnt need a major label to sign him. He probably doesnt even want that as its too constricting. The days of "signing" to labels is all but dead anyway. Its all about distribution which Noel can get easily. The idea that venues don't book based upon what is being promoted well doesn't seem right to me. And labels do have promotional departments. I would expect Katy Perry-like promotion...but something more than what BDI are getting would do me. And big labels have relationships with radio station. Name recognition will come with promotion. And obviously I meant what type of label would he get to distribute. |
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Post by Rifles on Apr 16, 2011 13:25:57 GMT -5
Late Night Shows aren't generally targeted @ teens. Not highschoolers anyways. They target young adults generally. But ironically the 2 that you mentioned have the youngest viewership of the 5 major talk shows (not including The Daily Show or the Colbert Report) I think he has a good chance of an interview on Fallon if he does that. He's interviewed quite a few musical guests to my understanding. It'll be a painful interview to watch though. Noel will say something dry and sacrastic and Fallon will just laugh nervously for a couple minutes. I think that Craig Ferguson would be a great show for him to hit though. He had Bob Geldof on a couple weeks ago for a chat and song and it was pretty good. He has also had Steve Jones a couple times. Craig had actually been in bands as a drummer during punk when he was in his teens-20's. He seems to get on with musicians quite well. Oasis would have been after he left Britain...but I think they'd still have a bit to talk about. And @ least he could be relied upon not to drone on about Liam. I know teens don't watch late night shows, that's why i mentioned them. You won't see Noel on MTV or any real mainstream outlet like that. He might show up on the late night circuit, but it won't be on Letterman or Leno...more likely the next tier, which is more his audience. I think Fallon would do alright. He and Conan are both fairly knowledgeable when it comes to music and would conduct a decent interview I think. Regardless of what country he's in, show he's on or who he's talking to, he's going to be asked about the split every single time without fail...just like Beady Eye have. As far as the label goes, (this is in response to sameole), i don't think anyone's worried about the distribution aspect of it. I think everyone would like to see Noel sign to a label willing to get him some exposure. He'd be smart to get a song or 2 in a tv show or commercial or even try some sort of viral marketing. Would be cool to see him take advantage of the new market.....doubt it will happen though. He'll release the album with no promotion, do a small tour in the states and disappear again. |
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Post by shoofee on Apr 16, 2011 13:39:41 GMT -5
He doesn't need a label except for distribution. Thats all Dangerbird is for Beady Eye. but Dangerbird has distribution via Fontana, which is a subsidiary of UMG (the biggest label in the world). You're also giving major labels way too much credit. They're not responsible for tour dates as that falls to management and the booking agencies that run the venues. The only area a major label would help on is promotion and even there Noel alone will have less than Oasis did as he's not established as a solo artist. The same thing applies to Noel as it does to Beady Eye - neither are Oasis which is an established brand. The first solo album will not have much promotional backing in this country unless it explodes. Beady Eye has yet to set foot on this shore yet and I imagine there will be TV and radio once they get here in June. The KEXP thing is telling of Beady Eye's strategy. The promotional strategy will be cherry picked for the demographic. Some radio sessions, Id bet one or two national TV appearances. If he has a huge single, all bets are off. My guess is Noel goes the same way Oasis did at the end. It'll be on Sour Mash or Big Brother (distributed by Sony) in the UK, with the album itself on an independent with major label distribution here. Just like Beady Eye. Noel doesnt need a major label to sign him. He probably doesnt even want that as its too constricting. The days of "signing" to labels is all but dead anyway. Its all about distribution which Noel can get easily. The idea that venues don't book based upon what is being promoted well doesn't seem right to me. And labels do have promotional departments. I would expect Katy Perry-like promotion...but something more than what BDI are getting would do me. And big labels have relationships with radio station. Name recognition will come with promotion. And obviously I meant what type of label would he get to distribute. Of course they book on whats being promoted, but there is no chance even if Noel's album was on a huge label that he would get that much promotion. It will be region based promotion, not nationwide. They wont put the same effort in Atlanta that they will in New York. Beady Eye's promotion in the relationship to shows booked in America? They have 3 shows scheduled here. I hope Noel would get at least slightly better than that. Beady Eye is on an independent label here, but that label is distributed by the largest distributor in the world. Promotion and distribution are not hand in hand. If the label thinks it'll sell, it'll get promoted. Its not going to happen. Noel is 40+ years old and the money they'd have to put behind him to get him that notice is not going to happen. The labels are not cash cows anymore which is why so little gets pushed to the moon. They want the quick buck which the Katy Perry's and Biebers provide. Noel's music will have to sell itself first. Viral marketing is definitely his best bet if he doesnt have a Wonderwall-esque (in terms of impact, not artistic) type of single. And you're sadly spot on. The album will get little to nothing in terms of promo in this country. He'll do a short tour of major cities and be gone until the next record unless something unexpected happens and has a major hit. |
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Post by bonkers on Apr 16, 2011 16:07:48 GMT -5
just out of curiosity how does Paul Weller do in the states??? i see noel going down the same route career wise
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Post by shoofee on Apr 16, 2011 16:15:37 GMT -5
just out of curiosity how does Paul Weller do in the states??? i see noel going down the same route career wise Poorly. Weller is not Noel's barometer, maybe artistically, but not commercially. The Jam barely did anything here and its more than 30 years ago. Weller's records usually dont get released here until a year after their UK release. Noel will be released here around the same time as everyone else. Noel's barometer is more Thom Yorke at the uppermost (his solo reached #2), Morrissey in the middle (still gets top 20s), and Ashcroft at the lowest. I reckon Noel will be able to hit where Beady Eye hit without fail and perhaps do slightly better depending on how its promoted. Weller is below all of them and didnt have the success of any of them with his original band. Morrissey might be a bit of an albatross in comparison though, as his solo career has gone on a LOT longer than The Smiths and he has a mental fanbase. |
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Post by mezmerised on Apr 18, 2011 8:21:09 GMT -5
I think that Craig Ferguson would be a great show for him to hit though. He had Bob Geldof on a couple weeks ago for a chat and song and it was pretty good. He has also had Steve Jones a couple times. Craig had actually been in bands as a drummer during punk when he was in his teens-20's. He seems to get on with musicians quite well. Oasis would have been after he left Britain...but I think they'd still have a bit to talk about. And @ least he could be relied upon not to drone on about Liam. This could actually be a really fun interview! I'd love to see it happen. But only if Craig doesn't spend too much time talking about unibrows or sparkly showbusiness outfits with musical notes on them ;D Btw what kind of problem does Jon Stewart have with Oasis? He was bitching about them when Michael Stipe was on TDS and when Moby was on as well. I know that he has met them in the mid 90s when they played on his old show on MTV cause there is a clip of them playing Supersonic there on YT. Has anybody seen the show bach then? Something quite bad must have happened and since it was 94/95 I'm guessing it was Gallaghers' fault and probably drug-related. Or maybe it was Bonehead because Jon gets upset about them each time a bald musician walks into his studio  |
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Post by shoofee on Apr 18, 2011 11:17:54 GMT -5
I imagine he didnt like their attitudes or something. I have no idea.
Im not sure if this was the US TV debut, but it would seem likely unless it was actually 120 Minutes or something like that.
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Post by XTRMNTRSCREAM on Apr 18, 2011 12:27:11 GMT -5
stewart loves the jam especially paul weller.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Apr 18, 2011 12:53:28 GMT -5
stewart loves the jam especially paul weller. Especially when performing in Milwaukee |
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Post by LlAM on Apr 24, 2011 12:23:57 GMT -5
How many albums could Noel potentially sell in the States? 30,000?
I can't imagine any large record labels getting involved.
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Post by shoes222 on Apr 24, 2011 18:34:05 GMT -5
That's such a paltry number...if he only sells that many albums in a country with over 300 million people, that must be seen as a failure.
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Post by discworld on Apr 24, 2011 18:38:33 GMT -5
How many albums could Noel potentially sell in the States? 30,000? I can't imagine any large record labels getting involved. he is going to sell at least as much as Beady Eye |
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Post by deasy on Apr 24, 2011 18:51:21 GMT -5
How many did Beady Eye sell I wonder? 20,000 I would estimate
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Post by discworld on Apr 24, 2011 19:05:06 GMT -5
How many did Beady Eye sell I wonder? 20,000 I would estimate I didn't find for the US but worldwide it's around 200 000. For DOYS : 5 000 000 |
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Post by shoes222 on Apr 24, 2011 19:13:14 GMT -5
The vast majority of that 200,000 are UK sales. In the US it must be above 20,000 but no more than 35,000 sales.
If you go into most stores in the States you wouldn't even be able to find the Beady Eye record half the time.
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Post by caats19 on Apr 24, 2011 23:52:44 GMT -5
i'd say a noel record is a bit more enticing than a beady eye record in the states. average music folk aren't curious about a liam album, but noel? hmm.
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Post by mkoasis on Apr 26, 2011 20:56:38 GMT -5
I imagine he didnt like their attitudes or something. I have no idea. Im not sure if this was the US TV debut, but it would seem likely unless it was actually 120 Minutes or something like that. I'm pretty sure it was. I think they played Live Forever too. |
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