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Post by sawdustrings on Apr 13, 2011 8:38:22 GMT -5
I just started looking into Noel's unreleased stuff and this really caught my ears. Beautiful. I certainly won't complain if his new album would be just his old ones if they're as good as this.  |
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Post by supernovadragon on Apr 13, 2011 9:41:21 GMT -5
Can't see it ever being on his solo album, too much of a conection to Oasis
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Post by bonkers on Apr 13, 2011 9:43:17 GMT -5
Noel said it was actually called Revolution Song didn't he???
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Post by sawdustrings on Apr 13, 2011 9:55:42 GMT -5
Whatever it's called, I hope it gets released. |
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Post by Frank Lee Vulgar on Apr 13, 2011 10:14:13 GMT -5
I don't think this will ever be on a record Noel works on tbh. Unlike Record Machine or STC Revolution Song has been around for ages and could have been put on each one of the last 4 albums - Noel decided not to, so I guess it's too late by now.
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Post by shoes222 on Apr 13, 2011 10:15:37 GMT -5
I really liked this song at one point in time but now it just sounds too mopey to me.
Really don't think this will ever be released; Noel hasn't been too fond of it in recent years. He said in a 2009 interview that he wants to move away from writing these kind of ballad-type songs because it comes too easy for him and it doesn't do anything for him anymore.
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Post by oneeye on Apr 13, 2011 10:27:33 GMT -5
Great song.
Remember when I first heard this and Let There Be Love on the SOTSOG bootleg, definitely thought they were worthy of being on an album.
Don't count this tune out thought - Noel has always kept tunes aside for years. I.E. Whatever & All Around the World etc.
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Post by Teotihuacan on Apr 13, 2011 10:31:46 GMT -5
It's funny that this song never received any hype - it was easily available on the net from 2000 on - but after the big up Noel gave to Stop The Clocks and Record Machine, Revolution Song turned out to be a thousand times better than either of them, I reckon. (I know neither STC or RM are supposed to be the finished versions, I hope they're a lot better if they ever come out. )
I believe Noel was asked about Revolution Song on a Chris Moyles Radio 1 interview in 2004, 2006 (?) or so, and a listener said it was great and asked if it would come out officially. If I recall correctly, Noel half-agreed said it was a good tune but was non-comittal about its release.
If a re-recorded version does see the light of day on a Noel solo album/b-side or Oasis unreleased anthology, I'd bet it wouldn't be as good as this version anyway.
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Post by shoes222 on Apr 13, 2011 10:33:56 GMT -5
It's a different scenario.
Whatever & All Around the World were purposely held back and were planned well in advance to be released when they did, so they could have the proper production on them. Noel doesn't even seem to like this song, I wouldn't bet on him ever coming back to it, and if he does I wouldn't see that as a good sign. I'm sure he has much better songs he wrote more recently.
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Post by bonkers on Apr 13, 2011 10:54:45 GMT -5
i thought the only reason it didn't get released was because it got compared to Blur's Tender so Noel binned it
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Post by spaneli on Apr 13, 2011 11:15:29 GMT -5
i thought the only reason it didn't get released was because it got compared to Blur's Tender so Noel binned it I thought that too. I heard that somewhere. |
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Post by shoofee on Apr 13, 2011 11:20:17 GMT -5
I don't think this will ever be on a record Noel works on tbh. Unlike Record Machine or STC Revolution Song has been around for ages and could have been put on each one of the last 4 albums - Noel decided not to, so I guess it's too late by now. Record Machine and STC have also been around for ages. STC since 2002, and Record Machine since at least 04-05. The two studio versions of those were recorded in late 2004 or early 2005 (the original disc is dated January 2005). Solve My Mystery/Revolution Song is not bad, but I dont see how it can change so much to improve it. Let There Be Love didn't change very much at its core when it saw light of day and IMO was lessened. Stop The Clocks also has "ties to Oasis" considering its lyrics and title adorn one of their best-ofs. If that is a consideration, its got no chance. I dont get why people root for old songs to be released. The chance of them being remarkably different or improved is very slim when the three songs in question are not among Noel's strongest work by any stretch. I'd rather have brand new material all around. That said, the one unreleased song Id like to hear a completed version of is "If There's A God" or whatever it is from the LDSMD doc. Id even take a finished version of it from that timeframe. |
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Post by shoofee on Apr 13, 2011 11:26:48 GMT -5
i thought the only reason it didn't get released was because it got compared to Blur's Tender so Noel binned it I thought that too. I heard that somewhere. He said that in February 2000 in an interview. He said that it was demoed for the SOTSOG sessions and added the comparison to Tender. Its also worth pointing out that this song hasn't been mentioned or rumored about since in any substantial fashion. That said, Revolution Song is probably the oldest of the unreleased songs (at the time) on the SOTSOG demos as it was the only one that we had previously heard the title of prior to the leak as its in mentioned in Hewitt's book from 1999. |
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Apr 13, 2011 11:33:10 GMT -5
What's odd is that Revolution Song doesn't really even need any improvement. I'm sure Noel could find ways to improve it, but at face value it's already worthy of an album track. Whereas both RM and STC could do with some re-vamping.
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Post by sawdustrings on Apr 13, 2011 11:34:31 GMT -5
[q]I dont get why people root for old songs to be released. The chance of them being remarkably different or improved is very slim when the three songs in question are not among Noel's strongest work by any stretch. I'd rather have brand new material all around.[/q]
Because they're great pieces, obviously. They don't have to be re-made or improved. They just have to be taken out there for the general public to hear.
It would be like a delicious dish only to be wasted by keeping it in the freezer.
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Post by Teotihuacan on Apr 13, 2011 11:42:09 GMT -5
Let There Be Love didn't change very much at its core when it saw light of day and IMO was lessened. Yeah, the songwriting structure didn't change much, but the It's a Crime acoustic demo has immediacy of being live, Noel's energetic acoustic playing, a committed up front vocal, and when the chorus gets to the 'Let there be love' hook he plays a very un-Oasis jazzy acoustic guitar chord (which Noel took from Paul Weller's Hung Up) which makes the whole thing sound incredibly surprising and effective the first time you hear it. The version we got on Don't Believe The Truth feels sluggish in comparison, I'm guessing it's a quite a bit slower and the cliched 60s Mellotron touches and weak, sleepy vocals do it no favours either. |
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Post by shoofee on Apr 13, 2011 11:44:13 GMT -5
Because they're great pieces, obviously. They don't have to be re-made or improved. They just have to be taken out there for the general public to hear. It would be like a delicious dish only to be wasted by keeping it in the freezer. We have them already. Why root for an album track on something that we've already heard? Its not like these are lost Live Forevers and are going to be some eye opening thing if released. Its just a decent Noel ballad. This track in particular is probably my favorite out of the unreleased tracks throughout the band's career aside from If Theres A God, but if it ever sees the light of day, I cant imagine it being on a Noel solo album. His mindset musically has changed since 99-2000. Hell, just listen to his tracks from 2000-2008 in sequence. There's some evolution going on in every respect aside from the nasty regression of HC. |
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Post by shoofee on Apr 13, 2011 11:46:16 GMT -5
Let There Be Love didn't change very much at its core when it saw light of day and IMO was lessened. Yeah, the songwriting structure didn't change much, but the It's a Crime acoustic demo has immediacy of being live, Noel's energetic acoustic playing, a committed up front vocal, and when the chorus gets to the 'Let there be love' hook he plays a very un-Oasis jazzy acoustic guitar chord (which Noel took from Paul Weller's Hung Up) which makes the whole thing sound incredibly surprising and effective the first time you hear it. The version we got on Don't Believe The Truth feels sluggish in comparison, I'm guessing it's a quite a bit slower and the cliched 60s Mellotron touches and weak, sleepy vocals do it no favours either. Dead on. The DBTT version is almost lifeless in comparison. It feels very "by the numbers" and rather than something born out of creativity, it has the feeling to me of being "Ahhh we need to record a ballad!" type of thing. |
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Post by shoes222 on Apr 13, 2011 12:06:06 GMT -5
I thought that too. I heard that somewhere. He said that in February 2000 in an interview. He said that it was demoed for the SOTSOG sessions and added the comparison to Tender. Its also worth pointing out that this song hasn't been mentioned or rumored about since in any substantial fashion. That said, Revolution Song is probably the oldest of the unreleased songs (at the time) on the SOTSOG demos as it was the only one that we had previously heard the title of prior to the leak as its in mentioned in Hewitt's book from 1999. During the Zanzibar gig, somebody repeatedly keeps asking him to play Revolution Song, but Noel brushes him off by saying "it's shite anyway." |
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Post by Headmaster on Apr 13, 2011 13:07:35 GMT -5
It is a good song, but also is a "Noel ballad by numbers" which he wrote a lot between 1999-2002, he moved away from that type of song, he now write songs in the vein of POTQ and FD.
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Post by XTRMNTRSCREAM on Apr 13, 2011 13:52:45 GMT -5
I don't think this will ever be on a record Noel works on tbh. Unlike Record Machine or STC Revolution Song has been around for ages and could have been put on each one of the last 4 albums - Noel decided not to, so I guess it's too late by now. Record Machine and STC have also been around for ages. STC since 2002, and Record Machine since at least 04-05. The two studio versions of those were recorded in late 2004 or early 2005 (the original disc is dated January 2005). Solve My Mystery/Revolution Song is not bad, but I dont see how it can change so much to improve it. Let There Be Love didn't change very much at its core when it saw light of day and IMO was lessened. Stop The Clocks also has "ties to Oasis" considering its lyrics and title adorn one of their best-ofs. If that is a consideration, its got no chance. I dont get why people root for old songs to be released. The chance of them being remarkably different or improved is very slim when the three songs in question are not among Noel's strongest work by any stretch. I'd rather have brand new material all around. That said, the one unreleased song Id like to hear a completed version of is "If There's A God" or whatever it is from the LDSMD doc. Id even take a finished version of it from that timeframe. i can tell you why because they are safe sounding and people on here are petrified that noel is going to make a acid jazz record. |
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Post by novakdjokovic on Apr 13, 2011 14:20:08 GMT -5
Record Machine and STC have also been around for ages. STC since 2002, and Record Machine since at least 04-05. The two studio versions of those were recorded in late 2004 or early 2005 (the original disc is dated January 2005). Solve My Mystery/Revolution Song is not bad, but I dont see how it can change so much to improve it. Let There Be Love didn't change very much at its core when it saw light of day and IMO was lessened. Stop The Clocks also has "ties to Oasis" considering its lyrics and title adorn one of their best-ofs. If that is a consideration, its got no chance. I dont get why people root for old songs to be released. The chance of them being remarkably different or improved is very slim when the three songs in question are not among Noel's strongest work by any stretch. I'd rather have brand new material all around. That said, the one unreleased song Id like to hear a completed version of is "If There's A God" or whatever it is from the LDSMD doc. Id even take a finished version of it from that timeframe. sorry to burst you bubble mate but I can exclusively reveal that REVOLUTION SONG was recorded for the new album and GOD HELP US ALL did not get recorded. K- for this poster as he seems to be a bit of a tosser. |
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Post by supernovadragon on Apr 13, 2011 15:04:51 GMT -5
Record Machine and STC have also been around for ages. STC since 2002, and Record Machine since at least 04-05. The two studio versions of those were recorded in late 2004 or early 2005 (the original disc is dated January 2005). Solve My Mystery/Revolution Song is not bad, but I dont see how it can change so much to improve it. Let There Be Love didn't change very much at its core when it saw light of day and IMO was lessened. Stop The Clocks also has "ties to Oasis" considering its lyrics and title adorn one of their best-ofs. If that is a consideration, its got no chance. I dont get why people root for old songs to be released. The chance of them being remarkably different or improved is very slim when the three songs in question are not among Noel's strongest work by any stretch. I'd rather have brand new material all around. That said, the one unreleased song Id like to hear a completed version of is "If There's A God" or whatever it is from the LDSMD doc. Id even take a finished version of it from that timeframe. sorry to burst you bubble mate but I can exclusively reveal that REVOLUTION SONG was recorded for the new album and GOD HELP US ALL did not get recorded. K- for this poster as he seems to be a bit of a tosser. I just cannot believe a single word you say, EVER!! If he really did re-record a song that was FINISHED in 2000 for this album, I for one will be pissed off! I want new songs, not finished songs from over ten years ago. Then again, I don't believe you anyway! So, you know, get lost |
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Post by matt on Apr 13, 2011 16:37:29 GMT -5
K- for me as I am a right tosser! No problem pal, will do that now. |
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Post by andymorris on Apr 14, 2011 0:10:55 GMT -5
I wouldnt mind Solve My Mystery being on his solo record. With a proper 70s production it could make a strong album track, with loads of organs and stuff.
That song being old is irrelevant. It's only old because it was leaked to us. Every artist release songs years after they were written, because they fit at that particular moment. i dont see how that should be a problem.
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