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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2011 13:09:17 GMT -5
The 'tracklisting' laugh/debacle thread threw up some points I found interesting, particularly comments like "If Noel had wanted to release those (old) songs with him singing, then they would be on an Oasis album already". So how many, if any, 'old' songs do people think are actually going to be on it? Noel is no stranger to using songs written some years before throughout his own career, and Beady Eye have continued the trend. Plus of course some of the major songs from The Beatles early solo careers had been tried out in some forms in sessions by the band previously (Junk, Teddy Boy, All Things Must Pass, Back Seat Of My Car, Jealous Guy etc). I think there's a good argument that "Record Machine", "Revolution Song" and "Stop The Clocks" will feature in some form. The latter particularly seems a perfect candidate for the AA treatment... What do people think are the reasons that they wouldn't be? I also think there's an interesting possible twist to the idea of record comapny/management intervention for the inclusion of "Lyla" and "SOTL" as "needed singles" for the last two Oasis albums; how about that they were songs Noel was stockpiling for the solo effort, and he had to be persuaded to 'let them go' for Oasis use instead? Let's face it, "Lyla" in particular is a solo single to all intents and purposes. Just chucking thoughts into the mix, no agenda here, just diggin the fun and speculation  |
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Post by Frank Lee Vulgar on Apr 10, 2011 13:16:03 GMT -5
You're definitely right on some points there. I'm pretty sure that Noel held back songs from Oasis in the last few years to keep them for his solo record (unlike the BDI songs, which were rejected by Noel because he didn't like them too much or even because the guys in BDI themselves thought they were too bad). I don't think Lyla is one of those though - I recall that Noel just didn't like it at first.
As the potential of songs like Record Machine, STC or Revolution Song is immense, I hope Noel puts them on the album. Then again, he made a lot of stupid tracklisting decision in his time with Oasis, so who knows.
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Post by KeepOnNoeling on Apr 10, 2011 14:18:59 GMT -5
You're definitely right on some points there. I'm pretty sure that Noel held back songs from Oasis in the last few years to keep them for his solo record (unlike the BDI songs, which were rejected by Noel because he didn't like them too much or even because the guys in BDI themselves thought they were too bad). I don't think Lyla is one of those though - I recall that Noel just didn't like it at first. As the potential of songs like Record Machine, STC or Revolution Song is immense, I hope Noel puts them on the album. Then again, he made a lot of stupid tracklisting decision in his time with Oasis, so who knows. I do think that Noel has been purposely holding back songs for his solo album, but something make me think that we won't hear STC, RS and RM on his solo album. Hopefully we will get to hear some of the soundcheck songs as thats what he was obviously working on when Oasis ended. Hopefully I'll be proven wrong and we'll hear all of them and new ones in one way or another. |
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Post by rupertg on Apr 10, 2011 23:43:46 GMT -5
I'm positive that the soundcheck songs Noel had a solo album in mind. The songs were more complex than Oasis songs. Not the type of songs that Noel would have Liam in mind to sing. Plus the fact that no other Oasis member plays on those soundcheck songs.
I don't think Stop The Clocks will be on his solo album. It was the name of Oasis first best of album. The press would comment on that too much. I would rather have Come On, It's Alright, Record Machine, Revolution Song, Stop The Clocks on a Oasis boxset. I'm pretty sure Come On, It's Alright has a Noel demo vocal.
I bet Noel has 3 albums worth of material we don't even know about. Noel was once very prolific with a golden touch.
Even if Noel had stockpiles of songs he basically contributes only 6 songs (3 with him singing) and the occasional b-side or two. Post SOTSOG i doubt Noel even released 20 songs he's written - whats that a little less that 3 songs a year?
The good thing is we can enjoy new Beady Eye albums, Noel albums, and future Oasis rarity albums in the future.
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Post by bonkers on Apr 11, 2011 3:09:38 GMT -5
thing with Lyla though is it was an old song that they dusted off as they were told they needed a lead of single, think Lyla was orignaly called 'Smiler' but Noel changed it cos Heavy Stereo had a song called Smiler???
why do people keep saying they want Come On, Its Alright on there?? no-one has heard it and given Noels track record of bigging tunes up its hardly something to get excited about!!
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Post by shoofee on Apr 11, 2011 10:43:36 GMT -5
I think there's a good argument that "Record Machine", "Revolution Song" and "Stop The Clocks" will feature in some form. The latter particularly seems a perfect candidate for the AA treatment... What is the factual basis for the argument? That they exist? Noel had every opportunity to feature these on old Oasis albums and didn't for whatever reason. There is absolutely nothing out there in terms of fact that can back this up. Which ones? I can name All Around The World with certainty and at most there is a handful of them. Anything pre-MG really doesnt count since the first records can only feature so many songs which weren't that old by the time they were released. In the case of Revolution Song/Solve My Mystery we're talking about songs that are now over a decade old. There is no real basis for making an argument for old songs appearing in respect to Noel. What the Beatles did 40 years ago has no basis here. Obviously its possible, but IMO highly unlikely and very much a stretch. Its been said numerous times that Noel tends to go with his freshest material except on rare occasions. I expect nothing but new songs or songs that may have been born in the past but not completed. Even STC has been around for 8 years or so. The DBTT outtake that we have is now 5-6 years old. The mythological 10 minute Record Machine hasn't even been mentioned since 2007. The only viable quote we have on the possibility of old songs is Liam saying he "stole the record from past Oasis sessions", which is paraphrased, but he said something like that recently. I dont believe him, just as I wouldnt expect Beady Eye news from Noel. I just don't see any of the songs that you picked as being candidates for this record. I'd bet that if there are old songs on this record, they'll be ones we've never heard the names of before. If Noel held back songs for a solo album, they're going to be ones he probably wouldnt have even demoed with Oasis and we have never heard of before. If it was possible to wager on that, I would. |
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Post by songbirdsally on Apr 11, 2011 11:01:36 GMT -5
I think there's a good argument that "Record Machine", "Revolution Song" and "Stop The Clocks" will feature in some form. The latter particularly seems a perfect candidate for the AA treatment... What is the factual basis for the argument? That they exist? Noel had every opportunity to feature these on old Oasis albums and didn't for whatever reason. There is absolutely nothing out there in terms of fact that can back this up. Noel actually said himself about 'Stop The Clocks' that it never made an Oasis record because it didn't fit and if he ever did a solo record it would probably feature it as "this song needs to be released" |
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Post by shoofee on Apr 11, 2011 11:07:28 GMT -5
What is the factual basis for the argument? That they exist? Noel had every opportunity to feature these on old Oasis albums and didn't for whatever reason. There is absolutely nothing out there in terms of fact that can back this up. Noel actually said himself about 'Stop The Clocks' that it never made an Oasis record because it didn't fit and if he ever did a solo record it would probably feature it as "this song needs to be released" Where is that quote from? Still existing is Monobrow's STC page stoptheclocksinfo.blogspot.com/that doesnt mention that quote and that was once the definitive STC info page unless that quote is more recent. From around 2006 until it leaked in 2008, it was rarely if ever mentioned, which is why the information stops. Every album cycle since HC we've gone through the STC debate without fail, and every time it's not made it on there. Im not betting on it. |
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Apr 11, 2011 11:45:18 GMT -5
I don't think we'll see any old material from Noel (at least not the songs we know about). So I'm not expecting STC, RM, etc but rather will treat it as a nice bonus should they make an appearance.
I do hope we get to hear proper versions of them one day, though. Perhaps, as noted, on an box set - and hopefully it won't be the demo versions as we already have them!
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Post by songbirdsally on Apr 11, 2011 11:53:43 GMT -5
Noel actually said himself about 'Stop The Clocks' that it never made an Oasis record because it didn't fit and if he ever did a solo record it would probably feature it as "this song needs to be released" Where is that quote from? Still existing is Monobrow's STC page stoptheclocksinfo.blogspot.com/that doesnt mention that quote and that was once the definitive STC info page unless that quote is more recent. From around 2006 until it leaked in 2008, it was rarely if ever mentioned, which is why the information stops. Every album cycle since HC we've gone through the STC debate without fail, and every time it's not made it on there. Im not betting on it. It was from an NME article, i posted it a while back in one of the Noel gallagher solo album related threads (probalby the one with the 20 pages), I have no time to look it up right now, since I need to buy the Millionaire vinyl in about 5 minutes  |
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Post by shoofee on Apr 11, 2011 13:04:54 GMT -5
I do hope we get to hear proper versions of them one day, though. Perhaps, as noted, on an box set - and hopefully it won't be the demo versions as we already have them! Its not a demo (Stop the Clocks), or at the least, confirmed to be a demo. Its almost certainly an outtake. Its a finished version of the song, which is determined by the amount of work thats done on it, especially in the final third of the track. Stop the Clocks was going to be on DBTT, but was removed, which is a long known fact (originally slated to be track 9). The studio version that we have is almost a sure bet as to what was going to be on DBTT before they chucked it and if it ever appears on a future Oasis set, I'd bet thats what we'll get or something in that style. The studio Stop the Clocks we have currently is much more in the vein of the "alternate versions" on the DOYS bonus disc than with an actual demo recording. They're rumored to have recorded multiple versions of it, but that is the one that was on that disc. My guess is Stop The Clocks and Record Machine pre-date TIOBI and POTQ in the DBTT sessions, which ended up being STC's and RM's replacements. |
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Post by shoes222 on Apr 11, 2011 13:09:47 GMT -5
Record Machine still sounds demo-like to me, even if it had more production done on it. Certainly not finished, which is why I believe it wasn't included on the album. Noel's vocals sound like guide-vocals to me, which leads me to believe it was a song that Liam was meant to sing lead on.
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Post by bluemagpie on Apr 11, 2011 13:11:30 GMT -5
Honestly, I don't care much about STC. It's a good song, but I don't particularly like it and we already have two live versions and the demo -- that's enough for me at the moment. I'd much rather hear the soundcheck songs, particularly IIHAG and the instrumental from Porto Alegre/Eden Project.
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Post by shoes222 on Apr 11, 2011 13:13:59 GMT -5
I think STC has the potential to be a song like Gas Panic! with proper production. I believe there's more potential to the song than the lightweight acoustic versions we've been hearing.
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Post by shoofee on Apr 11, 2011 13:16:43 GMT -5
Where is that quote from? Still existing is Monobrow's STC page stoptheclocksinfo.blogspot.com/that doesnt mention that quote and that was once the definitive STC info page unless that quote is more recent. From around 2006 until it leaked in 2008, it was rarely if ever mentioned, which is why the information stops. Every album cycle since HC we've gone through the STC debate without fail, and every time it's not made it on there. Im not betting on it. It was from an NME article, i posted it a while back in one of the Noel gallagher solo album related threads (probalby the one with the 20 pages), I have no time to look it up right now, since I need to buy the Millionaire vinyl in about 5 minutes Cool. I found the article. www.nme.com/news/oasis/41444Thats actually the first mention of STC that Ive seen post-leak. So, yes, STC is a possibility, theres just no confirmation one way or another. I personally dont think its going to happen. I think with all the changes in his life, its not a prediction I could get behind. Another interesting quote from that article.. Thats a pretty telling quote. Considering this was pre-breakup, and time has passed, its anyones guess as to what Noel actually puts on this record, but if Stop The Clocks does show up this time around, I wont be as surprised. |
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Post by songbirdsally on Apr 11, 2011 13:21:29 GMT -5
^ Yep, that's the quote I meant!  |
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Post by shoofee on Apr 11, 2011 13:24:18 GMT -5
Honestly, I don't care much about STC. It's a good song, but I don't particularly like it and we already have two live versions and the demo -- that's enough for me at the moment. I'd much rather hear the soundcheck songs, particularly IIHAG and the instrumental from Porto Alegre/Eden Project. 1 live version. 1 studio. Record Machine definitely sounds like a version early in the process and probably was scrapped early, so I agree with you in certain respects. It also was never included in the early DBTT tracklistings and we didnt even hear of it publicly until January 2007 when NME published that early look at DOYS. The Stop the Clocks studio version is definitely further along and was included in early tracklisting for DBTT. I personally dont want STC on there. I agree with the guy above. I think its a pretty lackluster tune as it is now and even big bombastic production wont really save it. Its pretty tepid melodically and I cant see the base melody changing very much. |
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Post by bluemagpie on Apr 11, 2011 13:29:56 GMT -5
Honestly, I don't care much about STC. It's a good song, but I don't particularly like it and we already have two live versions and the demo -- that's enough for me at the moment. I'd much rather hear the soundcheck songs, particularly IIHAG and the instrumental from Porto Alegre/Eden Project. 1 live version. 1 studio. We have live versions from Zanzibar and the Hong Kong soundcheck from 2009. |
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Post by shoofee on Apr 11, 2011 13:34:51 GMT -5
1 live version. 1 studio. We have live versions from Zanzibar and the Hong Kong soundcheck from 2009. Ahhh, I always forget those damn soundcheck songs. My mistake. |
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Post by Leezy on Apr 11, 2011 13:48:28 GMT -5
Nothing wrong with using any old songs that never made it on Oasis albums, ie Stop The Clocks, Record Machine. They are his songs after all. Only reason they didn't make it onto previous albums was simply because they weren't ready (production-wise), or, they just didn't fit alongside the tracks on the albums.
Beady Eye have done the same, they've used a lot of tracks that they've had floating around for a while, ie The Roller, who knows, they might even had done an earlier version of it as Oasis with Noel on guitar from one of the recording sessions for the last Oasis album or 2 but didn't make the cut in the end.
Been just listening to some of them new songs Noel played in the soundchecks from the last tour, Gas Panic sounded immense n wud of been great in the set too.
Is it just me or does 'Everybody's On The Run' sound like a cross between 'Stop Crying Your Heart Out' and Tears For Fears 'Mad World'?!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2011 7:26:19 GMT -5
a timely bump for my first post 2 out of 3 wasn't bad. I wonder if "Revolution Song" will turn up on the AA album? |
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Post by GIMH on Jul 9, 2011 9:11:18 GMT -5
Didn't he say Revolution Song was shit at that Zanzibar gig?
I might be thinking of a different tune. He said it about one of the SOTSOG demos.
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Post by TheShakermaker on Jul 9, 2011 16:26:01 GMT -5
I dont believe we should put anything in what songs Noel played during soundchecks. Liam never showed up, so he had to sing something, and being on the road for months and months im sure it would have been too boring to just sing dlbia or wonderwall for soundchecks every day. It's only natural he's trying out ideas he might be working on at the time. Furthermore i doubt very much that any of the soundcheck versions are gonna resemble the finished versions.. like he said himself he works on the best ideas and has lots of bits and pieces lying around..
As for the saving songs argument, whether we like the tracklisting on the oasis albums or not, they all fit well with the general feel of each album. Soundwise etc. For that reason alone i dont believe he saved songs for a solo album. Im sure he really thought the songs wouldnt fit on whatever album they were working on. I remember some rumours about RM being intended for doys but being left out for goyhhl because liam didnt show up for vocals on the day intended..dont know if its true. Should Noel have been saving songs, i would think that tiobi would have been saved as it really doesnt sound like oasis at that point..
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Post by shoes222 on Jul 9, 2011 16:49:26 GMT -5
With hindsight, I think TIOBI is the one song Noel probably wished he saved for his solo album. It has single written all over it.
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