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Post by bonkers on Apr 5, 2011 12:49:10 GMT -5
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Post by songbirdsally on Apr 5, 2011 13:49:50 GMT -5
and another one to add to the 'NG solo summary', looks like he's working with the whole music industry at the same time for this album   |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2011 14:59:35 GMT -5
Why not I say? When you are genuinely considered a musical genius, then people are willing to work with you.
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Post by gdforever on Apr 5, 2011 15:36:26 GMT -5
At this rate maybe Noel really hasn't picked up a guitar in months.  He'll have gotten someone else to play every instrument on the album. LOL |
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Post by Colt on Apr 5, 2011 16:00:01 GMT -5
At this rate maybe Noel really hasn't picked up a guitar in months. He'll have gotten someone else to play every instrument on the album. LOL Are you really "Laughing out loud" at your comment? |
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Post by gdforever on Apr 5, 2011 19:45:40 GMT -5
At this rate maybe Noel really hasn't picked up a guitar in months. He'll have gotten someone else to play every instrument on the album. LOL Are you really "Laughing out loud" at your comment? Gave it a little chuckle, yeah. Well...I guess that Noel Gallagher project really is imminent. Everyone is getting pretty touchy again. It's only downhill from here. I think the subconcious "put up or shut up" policy is now in effect.  |
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Post by paranoidandroid on Apr 6, 2011 4:22:42 GMT -5
Never heard of Jon Graboff but its always good to hear more Noel news.
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Post by King Blougaredoc on Apr 6, 2011 6:20:10 GMT -5
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Post by spaneli on Apr 6, 2011 23:15:59 GMT -5
Doesn't this kinda contradict what sourmash is reporting?
I don't know. If you're completely remixing an entire album, then why bring in a great session musician like Graboff? Doesn't that sound more like he's putting on finishing touches? It still gets to me, considering the fact that no one has really confirmed sourmash.
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Post by shoofee on Apr 6, 2011 23:36:03 GMT -5
Doesn't this kinda contradict what sourmash is reporting? I don't know. If you're completely remixing an entire album, then why bring in a great session musician like Graboff? Doesn't that sound more like he's putting on finishing touches? It still gets to me, considering the fact that no one has really confirmed sourmash. Absolutely not, it fits what he's described perfectly. I'm not trying to be a prick here, but its clear you don't understand the recording process or at the most are a complete amateur. Most people are in the same boat. Its not an insult. Slide guitar is usually added in overdubbing unless its the lead guitar track which very few acts do. Im also assuming its an addition and Noel/Oasis typically didnt use a lot of it. It doesn't contradict anything he said . Perhaps theres a track or tracks he felt Graboff could add to if this was last second, or more likely, its possible that this session has been planned for months and he wanted to get the core of whatever Graboff is playing on completed first. My assumption is that the slide guitar is going to be a smaller piece of probably 1 or 2 songs at most. Its basically an accessory to the core song. It also fits perfectly with what Mash said and if its all true (which I believe it is) confirms his story even more. Thats mash's quote. Bringing in a guy like Graboff fits in with what stage Noel is rumored to be at. Graboff isnt going to be playing lead. Maybe a bridge or something. Remixing also has a lot of definitions. Obviously theres stuff like dance remixes. Thats not whats going on here. Remixes in a rock and roll recording environment typically just means rearranging. IE a slide guitar, perhaps a mellotron/keyboard part and then rearranging the tracks before the final mixdown. It can also mean removing pieces. Perhaps he's removing something he did with AA and replacing it with slide guitar. Theres so many different variables that you can think of. When you record these pieces you have to get them to fit what you've already recorded and re-mix (more fitting of a spelling in this case) the tracks. Tracks meaning parts. Major studios can accomodate 100s of "tracks", drum tracks, guitar tracks, vocal tracks, etcetra. It can be very simple or very technical depending on how many tracks there are. They all have to fit the vision and adding in new parts or taking away previously recorded parts has to be made to work, hence, the re-mix. This is one area that a lot of people are confused on. They hear "remix" and freak the fuck out because AA is involved. Thats not whats going on here. AA's influence is likely more in the way of the arrangements rather than having a dance influence. |
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Post by spaneli on Apr 6, 2011 23:45:05 GMT -5
^^To get Graboff though, you have to set up something with him in advance. Because he did have to get back to NY and his schedule was actually pretty tight. Well if the re-mixing is a spur of the moment thing, then why does he have him at a moment's notice?
You see what I'm saying. I've been in a recoding studio and know what you mean by re-mixing. I don't need it explained to me. And I know that a slide guitar is usually over dubbed. But still, wouldn't you have to get Graboff in advance? I don't think that this was a spur of the moment thing. I don't think that Noel has strings like that. I mean you can always get session musicians quickly, but Graboff isn't just your ordinary session musician. I just need to know more of the time line.
Nothing in Noel's time line has really said that any of this is spur of the moment. In the past 10 years, Noel has planned just about everything out. He plans just about everything out months in advance. From the studio to the people that he gets. Watching Noel over the years, the time line just seems out of place to me. If sourmash is right, I'll give him his props, but I just have a gut feeling.
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Post by shoofee on Apr 7, 2011 0:00:25 GMT -5
^^To get Graboff though, you have to set up something with him in advance. Because he did have to get back to NY and his schedule was actually pretty tight. Well if the re-mixing is a spur of the moment thing, then why does he have him at a moment's notice? You see what I'm saying. I've been in a recoding studio and know what you mean by re-mixing. I don't need it explained to me. But wouldn't you have to get Graboff in advance? I don't think that this was a spur of the moment thing. I don't think that Noel has strings like that. This re-mixing mash speaks of is not necessarily spur of the moment. It very well could've been planned months ago. It could also have been decided recently. No one can answer that. And Noel is EXACTLY the guy that can pull strings like this. Graboff plays with Ryan Adams and the Cardinals. They toured with Oasis in 2008. Graboff and Noel could be buddies. Its highly possible that Noel called him and say "Hey mate, could use your skill on this track, when are you available?" He tells them, "Im free ___ for X days". Then they fly him out then for however the long the session was and he's done. Overdubbing doesnt take very long unless theres mountains of it to do. I'm in a studio every day and deal with this every day. We've flown in people from the Czech Republic on short notice to record for a day and they leave. Do we even know how long Noel has been in LA at this point? The bottom line is that Graboff was there, for a short period of time, and what Graboff does, completely legitimizes what mash stated. Graboff's most logical use comes in overdubs, the re-mix would happen (on that particular track) after. I dont know how they are running the sessions. Every producer handles sessions differently. I dont understand what you're doubting him on. Graboff's use would not be necessary UNTIL overdubbing in all liklihood. Mash states he's in LA to re-mix and do overdubs, which usually go hand in hand and perfectly fits the term "finishing touches". And how do you know exactly how Noel has planned everything out? Lyla and The Shock of the Lightning were the last songs written and recorded for their respective albums. Things change during sessions. They're 99% of the time fluid situations and a guy like Noel seems far more likely to me to change his mind in a recording process than do it any other way. This is also NOT an Oasis session. He doesnt have to account for 3 other songwriters. Liam also was notorious for his behavior in studio situations. Not showing up etc. Its a completely new environment in that respect. You're making assumptions about people (Noel and Graboff) that you don't even know. |
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Post by spaneli on Apr 7, 2011 0:09:43 GMT -5
^^Lyla wasnt the last song written, it was the last song included. There's a difference.
I just don't trust sourmash. I usually have a good nose for this. Something about him just seems a bit off. I need more from him. Like I said, in seems that in the age of twitter people forgot how to question, and started to think that 1 source meant automatic confirmation.
And the fact that he is still the only person who has said. No one has come out and confirmed this. Yet people want to act like he's speaking the god honest truth. I would just like to see someone else confirm this. And until that point happens, I will keep questioning the authenticity of what he's saying.
Its amazing how even after the stuff that went on, on this forum during DBTT and DOYS, with all the false rumors that seemed to be so true, no one is still willing to question.
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Post by shoofee on Apr 7, 2011 0:16:17 GMT -5
^^Lyla wasnt the last song written, it was the last song included. There's a difference. The correction you're making is so insignificant to what we're discussing. And actually it goes further against what you said about Noel "planning everything out". They record Lyla, he doesnt like it, and at the end of the day it still makes the album. Things change, minds change. What exactly are you doubting Mash on? Graboff is proven to have just been there. Graboff plays slide. Slide comes in on overdubs 99% of the time. Mash said Noel is there for remixes and overdubs. What doesnt fit? |
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Post by spaneli on Apr 7, 2011 0:24:42 GMT -5
I need more than mash to say that there's 2 albums (or maybe 2 different versions of the same album) out there. Mash included that they were remixing, the idea that the record company hated it, the idea that Noel has been forcing AA down the throat of management, and that there 2 different albums out there. He said all this without having any real proof, except for a random quote by Alan McGee.
THIS IS PROBABLY THE MOST FLIMSY:
Not only that though, the idea that Noel is in LA as a last ditch effort to save his pet project, but he's actually just going to fold to Russel and management. That doesn't sound like putting the cart before the horse? Don;t get me wrong, I know that management did force Noel to put Lyla on, but its the fact that he's willing so make that statement without anything to really back that up. So, mash can come how predict that Noel will in the end leave the album, but he's coming to LA anyways? And he did describe it as a last ditch effort to save an album. He's wasn't talking about overdubs or finishing touches, he said that the management hated it, and that Noel was trying to save the album by coming to LA.
He's asking us to take a lot of this at his word. Some of it can be explained away, but some of it really can't. If you try in the end, you come up with a million excuses, but you never really come up with anything that can be counted on.
That's just too flimsy for me.
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Post by Rifles on Apr 7, 2011 0:27:50 GMT -5
I'm skeptical as well and I can tell you why. Saying Noel is there for mixing/overdubs isn't a huge stretch given the way DOYS was recorded. Same thing happened last time. The album was recorded in Abbey Road and then the finishing touches were done in LA.
We hear rumors of Noel recording for months and then suddenly he shows up in LA. First thing i thought of when i heard he was there was "holy shit maybe he's putting the finishing touches on the album".
The thing I didn't like about sourmash is he told OasisNews Noel was in LA with AA...then when he started getting some attention he all the sudden had all this other info to divulge about management etc. Not to mention him joining the forum to defend himself etc. etc. It was all just weird in a goofy way that doesn't seem entirely genuine. I've been around long enough and have sat through HUNDREDS of bullshit rumors and sources...it's gonna take more than what we've got for me to believe it.
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Post by shoofee on Apr 7, 2011 0:36:56 GMT -5
I'm skeptical as well and I can tell you why. Saying Noel is there for mixing/overdubs isn't a huge stretch given the way DOYS was recorded. Same thing happened last time. The album was recorded in Abbey Road and then the finishing touches were done in LA. We hear rumors of Noel recording for months and then suddenly he shows up in LA. First thing i thought of when i heard he was there was "holy shit maybe he's putting the finishing touches on the album". The thing I didn't like about sourmash is he told OasisNews Noel was in LA with AA...then when he started getting some attention he all the sudden had all this other info to divulge about management etc. Not to mention him joining the forum to defend himself etc. etc. It was all just weird in a goofy way that doesn't seem entirely genuine. I've been around long enough and have sat through HUNDREDS of bullshit rumors and sources...it's gonna take more than what we've got for me to believe it. Ok lets throw out the stuff about the 2 albums and management and look at the ACTUAL FACTS we do have. Mash stated right here: live4ever.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=gotopost&board=factsandfiction&thread=65954&post=843767Facts: -Noel is in LA. We know this. -Jon Graboff was just there. Its fact. If Noel is at the stage of overdubbing, Jon Graboff's involvement fits perfectly. This is the stage when a guy like him would be brought on, as he probably wont be involved on the entire record. There wont be a bunch of songs with slide guitar. Remixing and overdubbing go hand in hand. When you overdub, you usually need to remix to make it fit. I agree with you two. The stuff about management/2 records/etc. We can't factually back that stuff up at this moment. We may never know. What we can back up is where he is in the recording process simply by Jon Graboff's involvement. Mash stated that he was in overdubs/remixing. This fits perfectly. Also, its completely unfair to compare this session to ANY of Oasis'. This isn't Oasis. As I stated, he's not dealing with 3 other songwriters anymore, most importantly, hes not dealing with Liam. Its a completely new situation. Because his recording process on Oasis albums may have been one way (and again NONE of us were there), doesnt mean his solo album will be recorded the same way. We dont know if everything mash stated is true, but some of it definitely fits. In fact, more fits than doesn't. We have no facts to refute anything he's said. |
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Post by spaneli on Apr 7, 2011 0:43:20 GMT -5
I'm skeptical as well and I can tell you why. Saying Noel is there for mixing/overdubs isn't a huge stretch given the way DOYS was recorded. Same thing happened last time. The album was recorded in Abbey Road and then the finishing touches were done in LA. We hear rumors of Noel recording for months and then suddenly he shows up in LA. First thing i thought of when i heard he was there was "holy shit maybe he's putting the finishing touches on the album". The thing I didn't like about sourmash is he told OasisNews Noel was in LA with AA...then when he started getting some attention he all the sudden had all this other info to divulge about management etc. Not to mention him joining the forum to defend himself etc. etc. It was all just weird in a goofy way that doesn't seem entirely genuine. I've been around long enough and have sat through HUNDREDS of bullshit rumors and sources...it's gonna take more than what we've got for me to believe it. Ok lets throw out the stuff about the 2 albums and management and look at the ACTUAL FACTS we do have. Mash stated right here: live4ever.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=gotopost&board=factsandfiction&thread=65954&post=843767Facts: -Noel is in LA. We know this. -Jon Graboff was just there. Its fact. If Noel is at the stage of overdubbing, Jon Graboff's involvement fits perfectly. This is the stage when a guy like him would be brought on, as he probably wont be involved on the entire record. There wont be a bunch of songs with slide guitar. Remixing and overdubbing go hand in hand. When you overdub, you usually need to remix to make it fit. I agree with you two. The stuff about management/2 records/etc. We can't factually back that stuff up at this moment. We may never know. What we can back up is where he is in the recording process simply by Jon Graboff's involvement. Mash stated that he was in overdubs/remixing. This fits perfectly. The rest of the stuff? Who knows? We may never know. But what he said about the recording process lines up perfectly with the FACTS. Also, its completely unfair to compare this session to ANY of Oasis'. This isn't Oasis. As I stated, he's not dealing with 3 other songwriters anymore. Its a completely new situation. Because his recording process on Oasis albums may have been one way (and again NONE of us were there), doesnt mean his solo album will be recorded the same way. We dont know if everything mash stated is true, but some of it definitely fits. In fact, more fits than doesn't. We have no facts to refute anything he's said. I won't argue the actual process of recording and putting on finishing touches. And he was not the first to report that, so as far as I'm concerned, he piggied back on that one. The rest, which was the new info that he gave, really can;t be confirmed. And that's the problem I have with him. I probably should have stated that first instead of putting you through a meandering argument, sorry about that. I don't doubt the recording process, I just the doubt the scenario in which he has put the recording process in. ie. management, LA being a last ditch effort, the 2 albums. Which was the only new "info" that he provided. The rest has either been laying around for a few months (the Alan McGee quote), or the past few days (him being in LA and him overdubbing). He wasn't the first to report Noel being in LA or Noel doing overdubs/re-mixing/putting finishing touches. The stuff that he himself actually provided, can't be confirmed. Which is the problem that I have with him being used as some kind of a stone cold source. |
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Post by Rifles on Apr 7, 2011 0:46:42 GMT -5
We dont know if everything mash stated is true, but some of it definitely fits. In fact, more fits than doesn't. We have no facts to refute anything he's said. I'll give you the bold stuff. I just have a hard time believing things after the stuff i've seen over the last few albums. I don't know if every other fanbase has to deal with the ridiculous crap that we do, but Oasis seems to attract some real mongoloids so I keep my guard up most of the time. |
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Post by shoofee on Apr 7, 2011 0:49:22 GMT -5
Okay, doubt that. We dont have any information to back that particular information up. However, I'm not going to crucify the guy based on people in the past. Sure, he could be bullshitting, but theres also been people telling the truth. The Riddler. That Jamie, when he posted the lyrics to Record Machine and Nothing on Me, a month before they leaked. Theres been others too, but those two are the most memorable to me.
Who was the first to report where he was at in the recording process? Provide a link to a thread or a story. The first time I heard the words "remixing and overdubs", which perfectly fits "finishing touches" is mash. Unless Im forgetting.
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Post by shoofee on Apr 7, 2011 0:59:28 GMT -5
We dont know if everything mash stated is true, but some of it definitely fits. In fact, more fits than doesn't. We have no facts to refute anything he's said. I'll give you the bold stuff. I just have a hard time believing things after the stuff i've seen over the last few albums. I don't know if every other fanbase has to deal with the ridiculous crap that we do, but Oasis seems to attract some real mongoloids so I keep my guard up most of the time. You make it sound like you're going to catch a disease. We're talking about a forthcoming record, not a cure for cancer. Every album cycle is different. There are bullshitters and there are people who tell the truth. You're being cynical for the sake of it. I'm inclined to believe mash. Nothing he states is completely outlandish. Its fact that Noel has had issues with management before. Thats why Shock of the Lightning was written and recorded. They (management) wanted a "single". When the album came out, Noel's biggest quote was, "there are no singles on this album" or something to that effect. The Shock being the last song recorded is mentioned in multiple places. He's not locked into anything with this record. He doesnt have to allot space for other peoples songs or put up with Liam's antics anymore. He has complete freedom now which could have changed his whole philosophy behind recording. We may never even know if what mash states about the 2 records/management thing is true. Im sure Noel has dozens of songs written and recorded at times throughout his career that we dont even know the names of. At this point, we can only wait for more info. Dont believe mash on the 2 albums stuff. I think thats more insignificant than anything right now. Timing to me is what I care about. When is the record coming? When is the tour coming? The fact that the recording information is factually correct timing wise, its probably going to be this year. Thats more important to me than anything else. We're only going to get one album. |
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Post by Rifles on Apr 7, 2011 1:12:24 GMT -5
You make it sound like you're going to catch a disease. We're talking about a forthcoming record, not a cure for cancer. I didn't think I was being super serious about anything. I'm hardly Lomax searching for the holy grail that is STC Zanzibar. As far as I can tell we just disagree on this issue. I'm not saying sourmash can't be right. There's a chance he is, I just don't consider him a credible source yet. I don't see how I'm being any more or less serious about this than you are.  |
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Post by gdforever on Apr 7, 2011 2:41:50 GMT -5
Holy moly guys.
This means nothing in respect to sourmashmusic. It doesn't preempt it from being true but it doesn't back it up either.
The only thing of import that sourmashmusic related that is really important was confirmation that Noel is working with AA. We already had rumors of that so that was hardly a stretch.
We had already known that Noel was in LA. We already knew that AA was attached to the project. When we found out Noel was in LA we already assumed that he was mixing/overdubbing.
The only thing that sourmash did was A)confirm existing rumors. B) relate a rumor he had heard that Noel was having problems.
It's hardly something we need to fight about.
Noel could be just mixing, he could be remixing. Sourmash didn't actually seem like he had much knowledge about the particulars. His knowledge was pretty vague.
Frankly I could have come up with the knowledge that made us pay attention to him in the first place. All that information was already on the net. It's up to everyone how much they want to trust the tidbit of new information that he gave us.
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Post by discworld on Apr 7, 2011 3:08:38 GMT -5
I'll give you the bold stuff. I just have a hard time believing things after the stuff i've seen over the last few albums. I don't know if every other fanbase has to deal with the ridiculous crap that we do, but Oasis seems to attract some real mongoloids so I keep my guard up most of the time. You make it sound like you're going to catch a disease. We're talking about a forthcoming record, not a cure for cancer. Sorry, I couldn't resist |
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Post by Rifles on Apr 7, 2011 5:28:45 GMT -5
His credibility takes another hit now that he's making comments on Twitter alluding to listening to Noel's new album.
The guy's clearly an attention whore. I like how he tries to play it off later as if he didn't word it that way on purpose.
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He'll have gotten someone else to play every instrument on the album. LOL
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