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Jul 1, 2011 18:36:54 GMT -5
Post by spaneli on Jul 1, 2011 18:36:54 GMT -5
That's why the majority of those players went on to win titles in other places. Its not just the Bulls, look at any great team.  And team dynamics do matter. Great players don't automatically make other players great: ask Iverson, Stockton/Malone, Wilt Chaberlain, Barkley, Jerry West, Gary Payton. I could go on and on with great HOF players who either don't have rings, or barely have any. There's a reason. Its because their teams weren't good enough. I could keep arguing till I'm blue in the face, and bring up everything in NBA history that proves what I'm saying. You can choose to believe it or not. All it takes is looking at past NBA champions. History is the only proof that I need. i'll bet my life's savings the Heat win at least two championships the next five years. There's something were in agreement with. They'll win 2. No more, no less. Try looking up Chamberlain/Elgin Baylor/Jerry West, they equal 1 title. And they played together to get that 1. Everyone thought that they would get more than 1. Easily as some said. Malone/Stockton vs. Pippen/Jordan: taking NBA titles out of it. Im terms of talent. Probably equal (especially if want to call Pippen only good.) Chamberlain/Baylor/West vs. Russell. Equally talented. If not more. In each match up, something separated them. And it was team dynamics. One went on to win multiple titles, the other didn't. And I don't call watching ESPN, knowing sports history. ESPN (unless it's a lot ESPN classic) deals in the here and now and is too much: prisoner of the moment (in the words of Skip Bayless). Anyone who just naturally believes that it's as easy as getting two guys who can play, and you'll win 3-5 titles, needs to be checked out. Guys get injured, great players emerge, shit happens. No one can predict the future. I mean really, who would have had the Mavs winning this year. Sports are too up in the air to say that someone will win multiple championships. Oh yeah, K + for calling me nuts. I literally started laughing.   |
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Jul 1, 2011 18:45:56 GMT -5
Post by Guy Fawkes on Jul 1, 2011 18:45:56 GMT -5
Pippen was great because of Jordan. Jordan was so good. i luckily got to age while he was playing in his prime. i'm really not sure he's human.
i really do watch that much espn, Skip Bayless is great, kind of a dick but know's what he's talking about. i like Chris Broussard for NBA related topics, he actually talks to players and knows the ends and outs of the outs and ends.
i really should be a betting a person but i'm not. come on, i predicted the Super Bowl within a few points and nearly had the NBA winner sans a defunct Lebron James. honestly, what.the.fuck? i think Lebron was paid off, but not really he doesn't need the money.
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Jul 1, 2011 18:54:18 GMT -5
Post by spaneli on Jul 1, 2011 18:54:18 GMT -5
Pippen was great because of Jordan. Jordan was so good. i luckily got to age while he was playing in his prime. i'm really not sure he's human. i really do watch that much espn, Skip Bayless is great, kind of a dick but know's what he's talking about. i like Chris Broussard for NBA related topics, he actually talks to players and knows the ends and outs of the outs and ends. i really should be a betting a person but i'm not. come on, i predicted the Super Bowl within a few points and nearly had the NBA winner sans a defunct Lebron James. honestly, what.the.fuck? i think Lebron was paid off, but not really he doesn't need the money. Skip is great. But he's pretty bad at evaluating talent. I hate that he has vendettas against certain teams/players, and that sometimes he's contrarian just for the sake of it. I like Broussard. But just as much as Bayless has vendettas, Broussard loves him way too much Lebron. He's picking the man to win the title for like the past 5-6 years. ESPN is great for the here and now, but I think it is too much a prisoner of the moment. I like Wilbon/Korneiser of PTI, look to the past a lot. And don't start making this overly done predictions, and don't overreact too much. They've seen it all, and are good at historical comparisons. |
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Jul 1, 2011 18:58:43 GMT -5
Post by Guy Fawkes on Jul 1, 2011 18:58:43 GMT -5
Pippen was great because of Jordan. Jordan was so good. i luckily got to age while he was playing in his prime. i'm really not sure he's human. i really do watch that much espn, Skip Bayless is great, kind of a dick but know's what he's talking about. i like Chris Broussard for NBA related topics, he actually talks to players and knows the ends and outs of the outs and ends. i really should be a betting a person but i'm not. come on, i predicted the Super Bowl within a few points and nearly had the NBA winner sans a defunct Lebron James. honestly, what.the.fuck? i think Lebron was paid off, but not really he doesn't need the money. Skip is great. But he's pretty bad at evaluating talent. I hate that he has vendettas against certain teams, and that sometimes he's contrarian just for the sake of it. I like Broussard. But just as much as Bayless has vendettas, Broussard loves him way too much Lebron. He's picking the man to win the title for like the past 5-6 years. Skip does lose credibilty with his vendettas. Chris Broussard at least has some rational. he does like Lebron but he does have the most inside info about the NBA available to the public. plus, he's from Ohio. |
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Jul 1, 2011 19:02:58 GMT -5
Post by spaneli on Jul 1, 2011 19:02:58 GMT -5
Skip is great. But he's pretty bad at evaluating talent. I hate that he has vendettas against certain teams, and that sometimes he's contrarian just for the sake of it. I like Broussard. But just as much as Bayless has vendettas, Broussard loves him way too much Lebron. He's picking the man to win the title for like the past 5-6 years. Skip does lose credibilty with his vendettas. Plus, Skip doesn't like to admit when he's wrong. He'll be like "well if this had only happen, then I would have been right." And I'm thinking "And?" "You were still wrong. Just say it." Sometimes though, I think that ESPN purposely gets retarded people to debate him. It's always Rob Parker or the Two Stews. |
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Jul 1, 2011 19:06:15 GMT -5
Post by Guy Fawkes on Jul 1, 2011 19:06:15 GMT -5
Skip does lose credibilty with his vendettas. Plus, Skip doesn't like to admit when he's wrong. He'll be like "well if this had only happen, then I would have been right." And I'm thinking "And?" "You were still wrong. Just say it." yeah. i kinda have a feeling Skip especially knows more than the sports dynamic of some of people he loathes and let's that cloud his judgement. |
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Jul 1, 2011 19:07:35 GMT -5
Post by Guy Fawkes on Jul 1, 2011 19:07:35 GMT -5
Skip does lose credibilty with his vendettas. Plus, Skip doesn't like to admit when he's wrong. He'll be like "well if this had only happen, then I would have been right." And I'm thinking "And?" "You were still wrong. Just say it." Sometimes though, I think that ESPN purposely gets retarded people to debate him. It's always Rob Parker or the Two Stews. it's all entertainment, they try to bring both sides to the argument, unless it's something completely ridiculous. |
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Jul 1, 2011 23:55:51 GMT -5
Post by Guy Fawkes on Jul 1, 2011 23:55:51 GMT -5
Pippen was great because of Jordan. Jordan was so good. i luckily got to age while he was playing in his prime. i'm really not sure he's human. i really do watch that much espn, Skip Bayless is great, kind of a dick but know's what he's talking about. i like Chris Broussard for NBA related topics, he actually talks to players and knows the ends and outs of the outs and ends. i really should be a betting a person but i'm not. come on, i predicted the Super Bowl within a few points and nearly had the NBA winner sans a defunct Lebron James. honestly, what.the.fuck? i think Lebron was paid off, but not really he doesn't need the money. Skip is great. But he's pretty bad at evaluating talent. I hate that he has vendettas against certain teams/players, and that sometimes he's contrarian just for the sake of it. I like Broussard. But just as much as Bayless has vendettas, Broussard loves him way too much Lebron. He's picking the man to win the title for like the past 5-6 years. ESPN is great for the here and now, but I think it is too much a prisoner of the moment. I like Wilbon/Korneiser of PTI, look to the past a lot. And don't start making this overly done predictions, and don't overreact too much. They've seen it all, and are good at historical comparisons. i just read your edit and i'm about to go to bed. of course you like Mike Wilbon, he's a Chicago guy. he does know what he's talking about, though. so does Kornheiser. i really like Colin Cowherd. he's definitely an acquired taste but he does know what he's talking about. come on, he has a three hour show by himself, he's doing something right. most everyone at ESPN are great at what they do. do you ever read 'playboy' magazine? there's a good article, i don't remember when it came out, within the last couple years, if not in the last year, about ESPN. it was a 'quote' piece quoting the anchors and the founders about how the network started, to what it is now. a great, great article. |
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Jul 2, 2011 8:46:44 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2011 8:46:44 GMT -5
LOCKOUT. Any thoughts?
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Jul 2, 2011 9:38:26 GMT -5
Post by spaneli on Jul 2, 2011 9:38:26 GMT -5
Skip is great. But he's pretty bad at evaluating talent. I hate that he has vendettas against certain teams/players, and that sometimes he's contrarian just for the sake of it. I like Broussard. But just as much as Bayless has vendettas, Broussard loves him way too much Lebron. He's picking the man to win the title for like the past 5-6 years. ESPN is great for the here and now, but I think it is too much a prisoner of the moment. I like Wilbon/Korneiser of PTI, look to the past a lot. And don't start making this overly done predictions, and don't overreact too much. They've seen it all, and are good at historical comparisons. i just read your edit and i'm about to go to bed. of course you like Mike Wilbon, he's a Chicago guy. he does know what he's talking about, though. so does Kornheiser. i really like Colin Cowherd. he's definitely an acquired taste but he does know what he's talking about. come on, he has a three hour show by himself, he's doing something right. most everyone at ESPN are great at what they do. do you ever read 'playboy' magazine? there's a good article, i don't remember when it came out, within the last couple years, if not in the last year, about ESPN. it was a 'quote' piece quoting the anchors and the founders about how the network started, to what it is now. a great, great article. I like Kornheiser more than I like Wilbon. Colin Cowerd is pretty good. I like his radio show and him on SN. But no, I don't read it too often. I'll try to find the article that you're talking about. It sounds interesting. |
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Jul 2, 2011 10:05:07 GMT -5
Post by Guy Fawkes on Jul 2, 2011 10:05:07 GMT -5
i just read your edit and i'm about to go to bed. of course you like Mike Wilbon, he's a Chicago guy. he does know what he's talking about, though. so does Kornheiser. i really like Colin Cowherd. he's definitely an acquired taste but he does know what he's talking about. come on, he has a three hour show by himself, he's doing something right. most everyone at ESPN are great at what they do. do you ever read 'playboy' magazine? there's a good article, i don't reL4E Member when it came out, within the last couple years, if not in the last year, about ESPN. it was a 'quote' piece quoting the anchors and the founders about how the network started, to what it is now. a great, great article. I like Kornheiser more than I like Wilbon. Colin Cowerd is pretty good. I like his radio show and him on SN. But no, I don't read it too often. I'll try to find the article that you're talking about. It sounds interesting. Kornheiser's great. he's blatantly and unapologetically, honest. but once in a while he'll try to act sensitive, it's hiliarious. Cowherd's much the same way. SN's a decent show, the Michelle Beadle/Cowherd dynamic works really well, a la like any man/woman relationship involving at least one egocentric partner. if i can find that article about ESPN i'll let you know, it might be online, i don't know. it was highly entertaining. |
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Jan 3, 2012 1:53:37 GMT -5
Post by Rifles on Jan 3, 2012 1:53:37 GMT -5
I was waiting to see if someone else would resurrect this thread, but I suppose it's up to me.
We're only 5-6 games in, but what's the feeling on the new season?
Heat look pretty good. Mavs look a little rusty. Lakers look like a .500 team. Chicago should be pretty strong.
I'm going to guess San Antonio vs. OKC out west and Miami vs. Chicago in the east.
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Jan 3, 2012 3:14:38 GMT -5
Post by spaneli on Jan 3, 2012 3:14:38 GMT -5
I was waiting to see if someone else would resurrect this thread, but I suppose it's up to me. We're only 5-6 games in, but what's the feeling on the new season? Heat look pretty good. Mavs look a little rusty. Lakers look like a .500 team. Chicago should be pretty strong. I'm going to guess San Antonio vs. OKC out west and Miami vs. Chicago in the east. Manu hand is broken now I think. So I can't see the Spurs making the West finals. I'm going with OKC vs. LA Lakers. But that's only by default. I can't see the Clippers there and now with Manu out for extended period, I can't see the Spurs either. I'm thinking that the Lakers will get enough of their shit together to contend in a very weak west. I've got the Bulls vs. The Heat in the East. The Knicks could come up and try for it, but I don't think they're as deep as either the Bulls or the Heat. And both teams have a better defense than the Knicks and obviously that how you win in the playoffsl. If I could think that the Celtics could stave off old age then maybe they could take out the Bulls, but I don't think so. The Bulls just seem like a better team. I think the Bulls are also better than Indiana. They could put up a fight like last year, but I still see the Bulls as being better. They could be a force when David West comes back. That guy is a beast and an all star. He could catapult them to being a contender. And the Hawks are still lurking. You just never know with them. I've seen a few of their games and they seem to have much more mental strength than past years. Which has always been their weakness. I'll go with Heat vs. Bulls which will probably go 7 games. I'd be surprised if it didn't. It seems like with the addition of Rip Hamilton the Bulls got a pretty good upgrade and a lot more scoring than they had with Keith Bogans. I'd still like to see them make a trade for another big man at least. If they could make a trade at the deadline then I'd give them the edge. If they don't then the edge still clearly belong to the Heat. And I've got OKC finally breaking through in a 6 game series. Unless the Bulls make a trade then I think Lebron will win his first ring this year. It just seems like the year that Lebron would break through. We'll see. You never know. I mean who thought the Mavs would win last year. It's rare that the team that everyone expects to win, wins. |
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Jan 3, 2012 3:59:28 GMT -5
Post by masterplan200 on Jan 3, 2012 3:59:28 GMT -5
Excuse my Australian bias, but will the Bucks trade Bogut? I hope not.
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Jan 3, 2012 4:49:25 GMT -5
Post by Silence Dogood on Jan 3, 2012 4:49:25 GMT -5
my mavs have gotten off to a sorry start(no other way to put it), but we did beat OKC last night, which was supposedly the best team in the West so far, not to mention the only undefeated team left in the league. ANyways, i don't think we can repeat or anything even close to that, no bias here.
imo the dark horse this year is Memphis. They basically embarrassed the Spurs last year, who had been the best team during the regular season, the way they dismantled them like SA was a d-league team. And that was without Rudy Gay. I think they have a chance to go deep in the playoffs this year. Spurs will make the playoffs like they always do but they're old, slow and did i mention they were old? i'll definitely be rooting for them though(huge Timmy Duncan fan).
Lakers... i hate Kobe(rapist, cheater, bad leader/teammate, selfish, etc, etc). They lost Odom and got nothing in return so i don't think they'll do any damage in the postseason. Oh, they also lost their coach. remember how Kobe did last time Phil wasn't around? Lakers missed the playoffs. Of course that was with Kwame Brown & Smush Parker @ the 4 and the 1 respectively lol.
Clippers will be fun to watch and Chris Paul is a straight up BOSS, they have the pieces to perhaps make the conference finals but that's as far as i see them going. And i have to mention Portland as well, their PF looks like the second coming of Tim Duncan. Ok maybe im exaggerating a bit but he is really good. btw this Ricky Rubio kid is the real deal, he looks like a young Steve Nash and plays like he did once he got to Phoenix. The West IS wide open, no doubt about that.
The East will come down to the same 3 or 4 teams it has in recent years. Boston, Miami(who everyone but Heat fans hate), Orlando, Chicago and perhaps New York.
My heart says San Antonio vs Boston in the finals but my head says Memphis vs Miami.
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Jan 3, 2012 5:12:25 GMT -5
Post by masterplan200 on Jan 3, 2012 5:12:25 GMT -5
Where did Odom go?
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Jan 3, 2012 9:17:18 GMT -5
Post by joeyfrancis on Jan 3, 2012 9:17:18 GMT -5
Odom's on the Mavs now.
The Nuggets are a team to watch out for this year. They don't have any big stars, but with the grueling condensed schedule this year, their depth and youth are going to be big.
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Jan 3, 2012 10:44:32 GMT -5
Post by Rifles on Jan 3, 2012 10:44:32 GMT -5
I was waiting to see if someone else would resurrect this thread, but I suppose it's up to me. We're only 5-6 games in, but what's the feeling on the new season? Heat look pretty good. Mavs look a little rusty. Lakers look like a .500 team. Chicago should be pretty strong. I'm going to guess San Antonio vs. OKC out west and Miami vs. Chicago in the east. Manu hand is broken now I think. I JUST saw that before I went to bed last night and thought to myself "maybe I should edit my post in the NBA thread", hahaha. If he's out for 4-6 weeks I think they can still make it. They're still going to make the playoffs and if their core is healthy I think they'll contend. If Manu is out or pretty banged up, then no way. He's their heart and soul. I'm not sold on the Lakers. With all the trade talk and nothing happening, I think Gasol's psyche is too fragile to really give 100%. He was already going to be disinterested this season after the way he played at the end of last year. They're another year older and only lost one of their pieces, didn't gain anything worth mentioning. I wouldn't be surprised if they imploded and barely made the playoffs. I don't know how I feel about Dallas. They still have Dirk, but they added frickin Vince Carter, who will give you like one good game per playoff series and disappear the rest of the time. Getting rid of Chandler is going to hurt them as well. I'll reserve judgement on them until later in the season. |
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Jan 3, 2012 13:15:41 GMT -5
Post by lionsden® on Jan 3, 2012 13:15:41 GMT -5
Watch out for the T-Wolves this year.
I think they will be a sneaky team.
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Post by WHATEVER on Jan 3, 2012 15:43:58 GMT -5
my mavs have gotten off to a sorry start(no other way to put it), but we did beat OKC last night, which was supposedly the best team in the West so far, not to mention the only undefeated team left in the league. ANyways, i don't think we can repeat or anything even close to that, no bias here. imo the dark horse this year is Memphis. They basically embarrassed the Spurs last year, who had been the best team during the regular season, the way they dismantled them like SA was a d-league team. And that was without Rudy Gay. I think they have a chance to go deep in the playoffs this year. Spurs will make the playoffs like they always do but they're old, slow and did i mention they were old? i'll definitely be rooting for them though(huge Timmy Duncan fan). Lakers... i hate Kobe(rapist, cheater, bad leader/teammate, selfish, etc, etc). They lost Odom and got nothing in return so i don't think they'll do any damage in the postseason. Oh, they also lost their coach. remember how Kobe did last time Phil wasn't around? Lakers missed the playoffs. Of course that was with Kwame Brown & Smush Parker @ the 4 and the 1 respectively lol. Clippers will be fun to watch and Chris Paul is a straight up BOSS, they have the pieces to perhaps make the conference finals but that's as far as i see them going. And i have to mention Portland as well, their PF looks like the second coming of Tim Duncan. Ok maybe im exaggerating a bit but he is really good. btw this Ricky Rubio kid is the real deal, he looks like a young Steve Nash and plays like he did once he got to Phoenix. The West IS wide open, no doubt about that. The East will come down to the same 3 or 4 teams it has in recent years. Boston, Miami(who everyone but Heat fans hate), Orlando, Chicago and perhaps New York. My heart says San Antonio vs Boston in the finals but my head says Memphis vs Miami. Don't hate on Kobe because he's beat your ass for 16years. Everything you said about him was incorrect except the fact that he's selfish. And it remains to be seen what they got for Odom, how's that workin out for you guys? |
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Jan 3, 2012 16:00:14 GMT -5
Post by Silence Dogood on Jan 3, 2012 16:00:14 GMT -5
wowowo... beat my ass for 16 years? i don't hate the lakers dude, i hate Kobe and i'm not trying to hide it.
I enjoyed watching the lakers when it was Shaq carrying that team. You know, when he took them to 3 straight nba finals, winning all of them and getting finals MVP each time. In fact, Shaq is one of my favorite players of all time. Nothing i said about Kobe was "incorrect", he's selfish(at least you admit that), he's a cheater(cheated on his wife several times, once with a whore) and now he's getting divorced after she let it go the last time. He's a bad teammate, and to quote his own coach-Phil Jackson "He's uncoachable", and everyone knows he ran Shaquille O'neal out of town. The only thing that's arguable is whether or not he raped that woman. In the end, the man's character is pretty horrible. I really don't know how anyone who's not a Laker fan can like the dude. In fact i know several long time Laker fans that only root for him because he's on their team. what reason could someone from Odessa(love FNL btw) Texas possibly have to root for this guy?
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Jan 3, 2012 16:26:01 GMT -5
Post by Rifles on Jan 3, 2012 16:26:01 GMT -5
wowowo... beat my ass for 16 years? i don't hate the lakers dude, i hate Kobe and i'm not trying to hide it. I enjoyed watching the lakers when it was Shaq carrying that team. You know, when he took them to 3 straight nba finals, winning all of them and getting finals MVP each time. In fact, Shaq is one of my favorite players of all time. Nothing i said about Kobe was "incorrect", he's selfish(at least you admit that), he's a cheater(cheated on his wife several times, once with a whore) and now he's getting divorced after she let it go the last time. He's a bad teammate, and to quote his own coach-Phil Jackson "He's uncoachable", and everyone knows he ran Shaquille O'neal out of town. The only thing that's arguable is whether or not he raped that woman. In the end, the man's character is pretty horrible. I really don't know how anyone who's not a Laker fan can like the dude. In fact i know several long time Laker fans that only root for him because he's on their team. what reason could someone from Odessa(love FNL btw) Texas possibly have to root for this guy? I'm not a Laker fan and I like Kobe. I appreciate his competitive drive. As a person, sure he's probably a scumbag, but I only watch him for his basketball talent. Banging some nasty chick in Colorado is no more damning than, say, wasting your youth logging onto an internet forum with 9 different accounts to adjust a number that has absolutely no significance to anything but your own deluded sense of self-worth. No? You probably won't agree with that. |
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Jan 4, 2012 0:53:05 GMT -5
Post by Silence Dogood on Jan 4, 2012 0:53:05 GMT -5
did you just compare being accused of rape and unequivocally being found guilty of cheating on one's wife to... smiting people on a message board? lmao
this fool....
you're delusional.
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Jan 4, 2012 1:30:03 GMT -5
Post by Rifles on Jan 4, 2012 1:30:03 GMT -5
I did. When you consider the time invested in each act, its quite amusing. It probably took Kobe 15-20 minutes to ravage that girl with his undoubtedly huge meat stick and over the course of several months you've wasted who knows how many hours logging into 9 accounts to continually change a number that doesn't even matter. At least Kobe was out spreading the love. With the amount of time you've invested in karma recently, I'd bet your fertility that you haven't come near a woman's breast.
Who's delusional now?
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Jan 4, 2012 1:47:42 GMT -5
Post by Silence Dogood on Jan 4, 2012 1:47:42 GMT -5
I did. When you consider the time invested in each act, its quite amusing. It probably took Kobe 15-20 minutes to ravage that girl with his undoubtedly huge meat stick and over the course of several months you've wasted who knows how many hours logging into 9 accounts to continually change a number that doesn't even matter. At least Kobe was out spreading the love. With the amount of time you've invested in karma recently, I'd bet your fertility that you haven't come near a woman's breast. Who's delusional now? wow talk about an apologist. Now it's not only for Noel but also for Mr chucker himself? lmao hilarious stuff as always. why do you keep attacking me though? you're like that little girl in kinder that keeps pulling the boy's hair, everyone knows what that's all about. now you're saying i've never even gotten laid? hahaha... i pity you. you're one of those guys that thinks INTERNET=SERIOUS BUSINESS lmfao. i remember when i complained about my karma count going down by the dozens every other day, you were one of the people who told me to get over it and now it's all you talk about in every post you make. now THAT is hilarious. full on butthurt huh? |
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